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2:23p, 11/24/25
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NOW, what do we make of the indisputable fact that SOMETHINGS have been breaking our known laws of physics, repeatedly?


To be fair, we still don't actually have any proof that that has happened. We just have claims. A lot of claims, some more believable than others, and credible people (we think) making them, but we still haven't actually gotten any proof. I'm not sold on any of the tictac/gofast/etc videos being anything abnormal. But as I've said over the years on this thread, I'm rooting for this stuff to be proven true, and I'm interested enough to still follow this thread very closely.
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In reply to Redstone • 2:28p, 11/24/25
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The majority of speculation here, especially recently, is thoroughly backed by people in positions to know who put their names and reputations on the line.

Assuming some lying and misinfo. THEN, let's weigh against the sheer number and credibility of these. (Just with Edgar Mitchell alone, that would be a tall task)

OK, a critic says, arguments from authority are weak. True. NOW, what do we make of the indisputable fact that SOMETHINGS have been breaking our known laws of physics, repeatedly?

That means big situations either way:
Preternatural / aliens / materialism is false
Or
Science is moving in earthshaking ways

This is kinda where it all breaks down for me (in addition to many other obvious reasons). So on one hand, the existence of aliens is SO UNBELIEVABLY super-duper top secret, that not even the President knows about it, but apparently a few Joe Six-Packs who allegedly worked in the government for some period of time, were entrusted with this information but didn't even have to do so much as sign an NDA or anything? The powers that be are just going to let them go out and talk about all of this stuff that was sworn to secrecy, without any kind of push-back?

Kind of hard to believe.
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In reply to watty • 2:29p, 11/24/25
watty said:
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NOW, what do we make of the indisputable fact that SOMETHINGS have been breaking our known laws of physics, repeatedly?


To be fair, we still don't actually have any proof that that has happened.

You don't say...
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In reply to Juan Lee Pettimore • 2:44p, 11/24/25
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Nothing you just said is even remotely accurate. At least get your facts straight first. Really, it's not that hard to do minimal research from credible resources that delve into the corrected versions of every inaccurate complaint you just named, in ways that make perfect sense.
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In reply to watty • 3:49p, 11/24/25
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Assume videos are fake or explainable. Or secret human tech.
Way too many testimonies of pilots / Navy detailing maneuvers that should have been homicide / suicide except for physics that is not yet public or known, for both air and ocean.

Either way, big story, which was core of Blumenthal and Kean nearly a decade ago now.
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In reply to TCTTS • 6:08p, 11/24/25
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TCTTS said:

Well said.

Our 'reality' and what we perceive as 'truth' will not be fundamentally changed. We will grow, mature, and step out of our teenage years and into the young adult phase of humanity where we start to take on a lot more responsibility.

Here's another hint - NHI are the human equivalent of 'blue hairs' and have been for a loooonnngggg time.
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7:31p, 11/24/25
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We are in a time of many things happening, and being true, all at once.

Collins Elite correct about fallen entities, Garry Nolan about real material harm, with sudden appearances of the material, Alberino's legit government contacts and abductee contacts about varying species and agendas and evils and the occasional healing, Chris Bledsoe about the summoning of "orbs," Catholic mystics such as Anne Catherine Emmerich about the influence of "planetary spirits," clandestine types saying Spielberg got it impressively correct in Third Encounters, the "return of the old gods" in Zionist- evangelical pastors such as Jonathan Cahn (mostly absurd figures IMO, and yet…)

It's all happening, including the worship of Prometheus, and of satans (accusers), by at least one knowledgeable man with legitimate government contacts, whose dined with people we would want to also….



Now, why is this relevant?

Because the Logos of John 1 created us, has appeared to invite His creation to communion in many times and places, and we sapiens on this blue marble surely ain't the only ones.

Let's digest and keep the faith.
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9:25p, 11/24/25
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Just watched Age of Disclosure. It was thought provoking, if light on 'proof'. The most impressive thing to me was that so many 'higher ups' were willing to have their names attached to it (Rubio, etc.) It could be a psy op, or could be real. We'll see. I will say something has always rubbed me the wrong way about Elizondo. The other whistleblowers seem more believable.
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In reply to surfandturfsbisa96 • 9:32p, 11/24/25
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You definitely wouldn't be the first nor the last to feel that way about Elizondo.
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In reply to Redstone • 9:34p, 11/24/25
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Amen to that.
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9:53p, 11/24/25
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I'll again suggest search in various engines, Howard Storm aliens NDE. He's been really consistent over the years and dramatically changed his life. When he asked Logos, since 33 AD for us humans the Nazarene, about aliens, about life on other planets….

the answer was yes, in the 2nd Heaven (IMO place of DMT / psychedelics, and don't do it) and also elsewhere in galaxies, these creations some faithful and some fallen.

This CAN fit religion, science, the preternatural and the metaphysical, our emerging understandings. How much we've learned since the age of flight, how much more to go. What we can say - materialism is false.
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In reply to surfandturfsbisa96 • 11:17p, 11/24/25
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surfandturfsbisa96 said:
Just watched Age of Disclosure. It was thought provoking, if light on 'proof'. The most impressive thing to me was that so many 'higher ups' were willing to have their names attached to it (Rubio, etc.) It could be a psy op, or could be real. We'll see. I will say something has always rubbed me the wrong way about Elizondo. The other whistleblowers seem more believable.


I was finally able to watch it tonight as well and I'm of two minds...

- As good as the doc is overall, Elizondo is not only in it too much (he's basically the main voice/narrator), he often comes across as a bit overzealous, bordering on cheesy at times. I understand and empathize with the position he's in, but he still could stand to dial back his somewhat theatrical tone by like 25% here and there.

- That said, while I realize no definitive proof is offered, and it's not the President making an official announcement from the White House... this is basically disclosure. Or at least as close as we can possibly get to it. Altogether, when you consider the caliber of officials involved, the sheer number of them coming out in unison, along with their collective claims - and connect all those dots, not just between them, but with the science of it all as well - it has basically now been confirmed that we are not alone on this planet. I've said this multiple times before, but we're officially at the point where any other claim (they're all lying, it's a psyop, it's all black budget tech, it's foreign tech, etc) has become just as preposterous.
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11:33p, 11/24/25
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Lazar has been vindicated, not just by Peter Levenda and his detail of the cut-out, but by explaining, in detail, gravity fields of travel - 36 years ago.
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In reply to Redstone • 11:53p, 11/24/25
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I initially believed Lazar. Then I came to doubt him for a long, long time. In fact, at the time, I said as much in this very thread, you and I debated over him a bit, and to your credit you held your ground. Then, starting maybe a year or so ago, I was 50/50. And now I think I'm back to being a believer again (or, rather, maybe 75 for/25 against). As crazy as Lazar's life was outside of the Area 51 stuff (he just seemed to be involved in too much shady **** to be someone who would have been recruited to try and reverse engineer alien craft), and despite certain credential claims seemingly not adding up, there are just too many little things he couldn't have known if he wasn't actually there, at Groom Lake, now backed up by a number of credible names as of late who seem to have his back.
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In reply to TCTTS • 12:14a, 11/25/25
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Well, he's an interesting test case, and a very useful one because his main vector to the public, George Knapp, is deeply sourced with a long history of tenacity and trustworthiness.

Even if he's hoodwinked periodically, patterns and consistency emerge from those he talks to and vouches for. So…messy personal stuff from Lazar (not that bad, he was young with severe trauma involved) AND impeccable personal lives from Travis Walton, Charles Hall and many in between …. Patterns. Like blindfolded feeling an elephant and then talking from their perspective.
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5:36p, 11/25/25
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I'm opposed to Greer-posting, but will do so just once. He makes some important points here, echoing Alberino.

This really seems to be a Yes And phenomenon, and clear definitions are important, insofar as we can, which is not very.

BUT - we can't forget, that for 2nd Temple era writers, Angel / Demon were narrow and specific terms, and more descriptions of function than of categories of being (angel is messenger / satan is accuser, and that tends to be plural)

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9:37p, 11/25/25
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Regarding the actual topic. Christians are obligated to believe in the following:

- supernatural, which is God alone
This is a personal Spirit, Reason and Order itself, dynamic and moving in history while outside of time as the Creator, His holy love literally holding it all together
- preternatural, entities faithful and fallen that can be material but are not primarily so by our understanding of matter and physics. Yet, verses such as angels unaware are explicit: can interact physically
- embodied spirits grounded in the material, such as Homo sapiens, lasting physically no more than ten decades or so but "eternal"

2 of these 3 are "other-worldly" and the 3rd will be. And also: the "spiritual" CAN be physical.

Therefore, the faith has plenty of room for aliens / realms / dimensions
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9:55p, 11/25/25
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So, the Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) are in some sense "required" to believe in the extraterrestrial, as the supernatural and the preternatural exist, and are "off-world" even as these categories (which are intelligent beings) very heavily interact with our physical world.
Combined with:
Sacramental understanding, where God's graces come via the spiritual and physical intertwined, both present always.
"Official" teaching of other creations, aliens of the movies? More likely than not, IMO.
https://churchlifejournal.nd.edu/articles/what-can-catholic-theology-say-about-extraterrestrials/

Regardless, Christians are inherently more than halfway there as "believers in the Phenomenon."
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12:52a, 11/26/25
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Sticking to the actual topic and, far more importantly, not block quoting would really improve the situation, regardless of opinions.
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In reply to Redstone • 6:39a, 11/26/25
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Redstone said:
Sticking to the actual topic and, far more importantly, not block quoting would really improve the situation, regardless of opinions.


I like to block quote gigantic quotes of other quotes.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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9:22a, 11/26/25
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Second and directly related:

1 Enoch, not canon, AND verified as written pre-Christ by the Dead Sea Scrolls
AND referenced multiple times in the New Testament
AND reference for Jesus claiming to be the "Son of Man" (1 Enoch is "Trinitarian," and some elders were enraged with good reason at this claim)
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10:28a, 11/26/25
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Regarding the evidence, I'd point to the materials evidence of Garry Nolan, one of the most prominent scientists on the planet.
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11:11a, 11/26/25
My thoughts....

Movie mentions along the lines "they are here, they are monitoring us, sightings increasing, it is national security threat, their coming yada yada" --- but "sightings" have been documented and passed down thousands of years, only now since the modern age is it easier to share and document information. Theoretically, UAPs/aliens are doing the same thing they have done for all time and just observing, nothing more, we arent a threat based on our technology compared to theirs, but the documentary seems to stoke fear of "we are getting stronger and they are coming" -- no we are just advancing and have the means to see them now. I got the impression some of these guys believe it is any day now which they reveal themself. Again theoretically, we could be light years behind them in technology just like 1,000 years ago, it's all relative.

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11:33a, 11/26/25
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Fortean analysis here is first-hand testimonies which then allow for pattern recognition. At the core of this is probing for more objective realities via consistencies of subjective accounts, across time and environment.

Now, these days, and in one must see film -

Highly credible people are saying X and Y, and others are saying X and Y -

Disclosure is here. Catastrophic disclosure ??… more in the cards.
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11:42a, 11/26/25
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Reviewing fine tuning arguments
https://intelligentdesign.org/articles/list-of-fine-tuning-parameters
may or may not be convincing of a Creator, but what we can say is that our existence is …. unlikely.
Given that a materialist or nonbeliever could probably agree to that, how far of a leap is that other entities, perhaps primarily material as a sapien, also exist elsewhere?
If a divine supreme being (say, the Love and Logos of John 1) willed our miracle, would not others be likely, given the overall improbability?
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4:20p, 12/2/25
Its alive!!!
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4:28p, 12/2/25
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God loves you so much He'll meet you where you are. He also loves you too much to allow to stay where you are.

We sing Hallelujah! The Lamb has overcome!
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4:33p, 12/2/25
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Alberino provides a detailed summary of Age of Disclosure.

A must listen. He also talks confidentially to Burchett, Burlison, and Luna, among others.

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One of my favorite podcasts in quite some time. These two cover everything under the sun (aliens, the moon landing, consciousness, religion, the pyramids, JFK, A.I., etc), and in quite convincing fashion too. I highly recommend giving it a watch/listen when you get the chance...


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4:56p, 12/2/25
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Disclosure is happening right now, very literally. This is happening.

Alberino details it really well just above. There is NO either / or. It is AND.

Our tech, yes. Russia and China tech, yes. Preternatural, yes. Sea and space non-human, yes. Realms and dimensions, machine elves, yes.
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