Agree completely with you. The entire series portrayed Vecna as at least a formidable opponent if not insurmountable. When he died, we are looking at each other with "that's it??" looks on our faces.
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I would have liked to see what happened to Dr K. Seemed like she walked away and she deserved to get hers.
I paused it to take a leak during the long ass second half and the Kali illusion plot came to my mind. So, Mikes story about didn't hit me as hard.
And, since we are all talking about how unlikely it would be for Will to come out back in the 80's, we have to say how unlikely Lucas and Max dating is/was. Interracial dating was incredibly taboo back then. Madonna just about made people's heads explode for having a black dude as the lead in the 'Like a Prayer' video. A young brother in a small rural town dating a very pale ginger girl? Not likely. Did it happen, of course. Would they be promenading around the town square, not likely. The 80's still had a lot of the old ways.
I paused it to take a leak during the long ass second half and the Kali illusion plot came to my mind. So, Mikes story about didn't hit me as hard.
And, since we are all talking about how unlikely it would be for Will to come out back in the 80's, we have to say how unlikely Lucas and Max dating is/was. Interracial dating was incredibly taboo back then. Madonna just about made people's heads explode for having a black dude as the lead in the 'Like a Prayer' video. A young brother in a small rural town dating a very pale ginger girl? Not likely. Did it happen, of course. Would they be promenading around the town square, not likely. The 80's still had a lot of the old ways.
Brock Sampson said:
I guess the hive mind stuff didn't hurt Will at the end? Even when he is in Vecna's mind?
Boss battle wasn't near long enough.
It doesn't make sense.
He's a part of the hive, right? That's his power and his curse. He should have died with Vecna (along with the demo dogs, demo vines, etc.).
1,000% thought Will was going to be a martyr. What a disappointing finale.
RightWingConspirator said:
Agree completely with you. The entire series portrayed Vecna as at least a formidable opponent if not insurmountable. When he died, we are looking at each other with "that's it??" looks on our faces.
I feel like they made some interesting choices in the writing. They didn't make Vecna too scary, but they showed some gruesome deaths for the soldiers. And I lost count of the "Jesus Christs" and "Goddammits," which for me, was a bit much. Admittedly, I'm a bit religious, but I would rather hear "s-" or "f-" than that. I think they were trying to ride a line on keeping it just kid friendly enough, and maybe that played a role?
Hmm.. I may be wavering on Eleven dying now
**Mike's Theory Plain and Simple Explanation:**
The official story everyone believes: Eleven stayed in the collapsing gateway, used her powers one last time, and sacrificed herself to destroy the Upside Down for good.
But Mike points out a big clue that doesn't add up: the military had turned on the sonic suppressors, which completely shut down Eleven's powers. So the real Eleven couldn't have done anything telekinetic or even reached Mike's mind for that final goodbye conversation.
Mike's idea: It wasn't the real Eleven at all.
Kaliafter being shot and knowing she was dyingused every last bit of her strength to create one massive, perfect illusion. She made it look like Eleven was standing in the gateway and dying in the explosion. The illusion was so good it fooled the military, the friends watching, and everyone else. And allowed Eleven to speak to Mike one final time.
At the same time, the real Eleven (whose powers were suppressed and couldn't fight or do anything flashy) was able to quietly escape through a hidden path or small rift, unnoticed by anyone.
Kali died for real, but her final illusion gave Eleven the perfect cover to disappear and live a safe, normal lifepossibly in that peaceful place with the waterfall we glimpse at the end.
The group loves this version because it means Eleven didn't actually die; she just got to be free. The show never confirms it 100%, but it's the hopeful ending they (and most fans) choose to believe.
In short: Kali faked Eleven's death to save her life.
And giving her sister a chance to finally live, free.
**Mike's Theory Plain and Simple Explanation:**
The official story everyone believes: Eleven stayed in the collapsing gateway, used her powers one last time, and sacrificed herself to destroy the Upside Down for good.
But Mike points out a big clue that doesn't add up: the military had turned on the sonic suppressors, which completely shut down Eleven's powers. So the real Eleven couldn't have done anything telekinetic or even reached Mike's mind for that final goodbye conversation.
Mike's idea: It wasn't the real Eleven at all.
Kaliafter being shot and knowing she was dyingused every last bit of her strength to create one massive, perfect illusion. She made it look like Eleven was standing in the gateway and dying in the explosion. The illusion was so good it fooled the military, the friends watching, and everyone else. And allowed Eleven to speak to Mike one final time.
At the same time, the real Eleven (whose powers were suppressed and couldn't fight or do anything flashy) was able to quietly escape through a hidden path or small rift, unnoticed by anyone.
Kali died for real, but her final illusion gave Eleven the perfect cover to disappear and live a safe, normal lifepossibly in that peaceful place with the waterfall we glimpse at the end.
The group loves this version because it means Eleven didn't actually die; she just got to be free. The show never confirms it 100%, but it's the hopeful ending they (and most fans) choose to believe.
In short: Kali faked Eleven's death to save her life.
And giving her sister a chance to finally live, free.
CharleyKerfeld said:RightWingConspirator said:
This show is supposed to take place during the 80s. No doubt there were gay folks around, but they sure kept it close to the vest. My high school of 3,000 plus students had one gay kid and he just came across as starved for attention. Stranger Things, a significant portion of the cast is gay and they all decide to discuss their gayness at very inopportune times. It just comes across as more in your face agenda. I can agree that it adds nothing to the show.
It's my opinion. We all have one.
(I'm not even a fan of the show. It stopped being interesting to me after season 3, but my wife and daughters like it so I watch it with them.)
There are 3 gay characters on Stranger Things. There's been about 75 characters featured in 3+ episodes according to Wikipedia. That's 4%.
None of them said a word about it until the 2nd to last episode of the third season when Robin came out to Steve.
One of the three is the girlfriend of Robin, who has been in maybe 15 total minutes of the entire run of the series.
As for your high school, you were able to not only know, but accurately verify the sexuality of the other 2,998 kids during your four years there? No chance a few of them were gay but didn't feel like getting bullied or mocked by high school kids, who aren't exactly know for their tolerance?
I asked grok to quantify the odds that a small town in Indiana in the 80s friend group would have two openly gay members and one interracial relationship and the answer was 1 in 450000 to 1 in several million depending on how conservative the estimate. I also added the interracial crush that holly has on the boy mentioned at Henry's house and the odds of all 4 "socially taboo" situations happening in 80s small town Indiana at 1 in 4.6 million.
This is all to say that these character arcs are clearly shoehorned in to the show, which is the main point most people have against these things being in modern television.
Feels like debating or trying to figure out if Eleven is actually alive is missing the entire point
I think it was a story from Mike to try and make the friends feel better. He was the master story teller and he helped his friends believe.
Kali spent the entire final arc trying to convince Eleven that they had to die for the world to be saved/normal. Why, in that belief, would she spend her final breaths helping Eleven live by altering everyone's perception? She's the last person that would have done that. Hop? Sure. Mike? Of course. But Kali? Doesn't make sense that she would.
Kali spent the entire final arc trying to convince Eleven that they had to die for the world to be saved/normal. Why, in that belief, would she spend her final breaths helping Eleven live by altering everyone's perception? She's the last person that would have done that. Hop? Sure. Mike? Of course. But Kali? Doesn't make sense that she would.
If the 11 suppressors were on then there is no way 11 would have been able to get in Mike's mind for the final goodbye and then escape. She had to do that from the Upside Down.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Brock Sampson said:
If the 11 suppressors were on then there is no way 11 would have been able to get in Mike's mind for the final goodbye and then escape. She had to do that from the Upside Down.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Also no way for her to get from the truck to behind the gate with all the guards around. The noise makers nullify her powers and make her immobile in pain. Neither scenario makes full sense when you think too hard about it.
There's no way we don't get a prequel about the case guy in the cave.
Quad Dog said:Brock Sampson said:
If the 11 suppressors were on then there is no way 11 would have been able to get in Mike's mind for the final goodbye and then escape. She had to do that from the Upside Down.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Also no way for her to get from the truck to behind the gate with all the guards around. The noise makers nullify her powers and make her immobile in pain. Neither scenario makes full sense when you think too hard about it.
That and the whole building where kali was "injured and using her powers" blew the **** up to smithereens with the bomb Murray set off
Yeah eleven is dead
Saxsoon said:nosoupforyou said:
Excellent post (although you can remove the spoiler tag… I think it's your own fault if you're reading this thread and haven't yet watched the final finale)
I would also give it a B which is good - it was not dark or scary… They tried to focus on the emotional side of it
I'm curious if teenagers watching this felt emotional about it… So much crying and tears, but I didn't feel any of that - did anyone else?
I saw it in the movie theaters and it was actually pretty fun, listening to some of the cheers and especially the groans re Will and Mike when they had a scene together (nooooooo!! was yelled across the theater)
Eleven is for sure dead - she would have made contact with Mike after 18 months.. but if she lived she would not have been able to have children or ever get caught - so her self sacrifice was correct
I'm curious if the spinoff is about how they got that stone in the briefcase
I am 35 and I got a little emotional at the end. This show basically kicked off while I was starting my young adult life a long way from home at the time. I think it got to me during the final D&D scene
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Langley said:Quad Dog said:Brock Sampson said:
If the 11 suppressors were on then there is no way 11 would have been able to get in Mike's mind for the final goodbye and then escape. She had to do that from the Upside Down.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Also no way for her to get from the truck to behind the gate with all the guards around. The noise makers nullify her powers and make her immobile in pain. Neither scenario makes full sense when you think too hard about it.
That and the whole building where kali was "injured and using her powers" blew the **** up to smithereens with the bomb Murray set off
Yeah eleven is dead
Or, Kali isn't shot and that was an illusion.
Go back and re-watch. El's hands and sleeves are covered in her blood from trying to stop the bleeding.
Next scene she's with Hop and Murray on the roof - not a hint of blood anywhere on El.
RangerRick9211 said:Langley said:Quad Dog said:Brock Sampson said:
If the 11 suppressors were on then there is no way 11 would have been able to get in Mike's mind for the final goodbye and then escape. She had to do that from the Upside Down.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Also no way for her to get from the truck to behind the gate with all the guards around. The noise makers nullify her powers and make her immobile in pain. Neither scenario makes full sense when you think too hard about it.
That and the whole building where kali was "injured and using her powers" blew the **** up to smithereens with the bomb Murray set off
Yeah eleven is dead
Or, Kali isn't shot and that was an illusion.
Go back and re-watch. El's hands and sleeves are covered in her blood from trying to stop the bleeding.
Next scene she's with Hop and Murray on the roof - not a hint of blood anywhere on El.
Oh right she survived the massive explosion that ripped open a worm hole and then also snuck through the army kryotponite suppressors.
She and el are both dead
(The next scene without blood definitely is not bad editing just like the under armor oopsie in the 80s)
Sea Speed said:CharleyKerfeld said:RightWingConspirator said:
This show is supposed to take place during the 80s. No doubt there were gay folks around, but they sure kept it close to the vest. My high school of 3,000 plus students had one gay kid and he just came across as starved for attention. Stranger Things, a significant portion of the cast is gay and they all decide to discuss their gayness at very inopportune times. It just comes across as more in your face agenda. I can agree that it adds nothing to the show.
It's my opinion. We all have one.
(I'm not even a fan of the show. It stopped being interesting to me after season 3, but my wife and daughters like it so I watch it with them.)
There are 3 gay characters on Stranger Things. There's been about 75 characters featured in 3+ episodes according to Wikipedia. That's 4%.
None of them said a word about it until the 2nd to last episode of the third season when Robin came out to Steve.
One of the three is the girlfriend of Robin, who has been in maybe 15 total minutes of the entire run of the series.
As for your high school, you were able to not only know, but accurately verify the sexuality of the other 2,998 kids during your four years there? No chance a few of them were gay but didn't feel like getting bullied or mocked by high school kids, who aren't exactly know for their tolerance?
I asked grok to quantify the odds that a small town in Indiana in the 80s friend group would have two openly gay members and one interracial relationship and the answer was 1 in 450000 to 1 in several million depending on how conservative the estimate. I also added the interracial crush that holly has on the boy mentioned at Henry's house and the odds of all 4 "socially taboo" situations happening in 80s small town Indiana at 1 in 4.6 million.
This is all to say that these character arcs are clearly shoehorned in to the show, which is the main point most people have against these things being in modern television.
Outside of the second to last episode, I didn't care that Robin was gay and had a girlfriend or that Max and Lucas were together. Max and Lucas being together was pretty seamless from what I remember, and the storyline was about their relationship, not their interracial relationship. Yes, I can't stand when things are shoehorned in, like Will coming out but I don't think it was as rampant as you saw it.
The show ends about as well as it could. Nothing was absurd and I like knowing what happened when it was over.
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Langley said:RangerRick9211 said:Langley said:Quad Dog said:Brock Sampson said:
If the 11 suppressors were on then there is no way 11 would have been able to get in Mike's mind for the final goodbye and then escape. She had to do that from the Upside Down.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Also no way for her to get from the truck to behind the gate with all the guards around. The noise makers nullify her powers and make her immobile in pain. Neither scenario makes full sense when you think too hard about it.
That and the whole building where kali was "injured and using her powers" blew the **** up to smithereens with the bomb Murray set off
Yeah eleven is dead
Or, Kali isn't shot and that was an illusion.
Go back and re-watch. El's hands and sleeves are covered in her blood from trying to stop the bleeding.
Next scene she's with Hop and Murray on the roof - not a hint of blood anywhere on El.
Oh right she survived the massive explosion that ripped open a worm hole and then also snuck through the army kryotponite suppressors.
She and el are both dead
(The next scene without blood definitely is not bad editing just like the under armor oopsie in the 80s)
Kali is dead. But not from gunshot, wormhole collapse. Just another idea that the projection/El survives theory. Maybe that was the new plan through a change of heart and wanted El to get her happy ending.
Covered in blood isn't a minor logo miss. I'd be surprised if that was a true wiff.
Overall really enjoyed it, you can nitpick some things but they did a solid job sticking the landing for an insanely complicated story with like a dozen primary characters.
I was surprised how deep the wrap up was, they really spent some time digging into everyone and where they're headed. Maybe not totally needed but it felt right after spending so long with these characters. I'm sure I missed some Easter eggs too, will have to watch one of the in depth breakdowns.
As a whole pretty satisfying ending to a fun ride.
I was surprised how deep the wrap up was, they really spent some time digging into everyone and where they're headed. Maybe not totally needed but it felt right after spending so long with these characters. I'm sure I missed some Easter eggs too, will have to watch one of the in depth breakdowns.
As a whole pretty satisfying ending to a fun ride.
I've been a big fan throughout the series but this finale left me very underwhelmed.
The final boss fight felt way too easy. How a Godzilla sized Mind Flayer appeared and then was defeated without a character getting was surprising.
Things I liked best were the post fight where we got to see character development. I felt like Mike had a better character arc in 30 mins after the fight than he did all of the first and 2nd volumes of season 5. But overall really enjoyed the tying out of main character plots.
And I do think El survived. Which I liked, but also this season felt like a whole season with happy endings and no consequence.
The final boss fight felt way too easy. How a Godzilla sized Mind Flayer appeared and then was defeated without a character getting was surprising.
Things I liked best were the post fight where we got to see character development. I felt like Mike had a better character arc in 30 mins after the fight than he did all of the first and 2nd volumes of season 5. But overall really enjoyed the tying out of main character plots.
And I do think El survived. Which I liked, but also this season felt like a whole season with happy endings and no consequence.
Two of my good friends in high school were black guys that dated mostly white girls in the late 80s/early 90s, and it wasn't a big deal for most people in a very conservative Houston burb. I'm sure someone was bothered by it, but they still would be now.Milwaukees Best Light said:
I would have liked to see what happened to Dr K. Seemed like she walked away and she deserved to get hers.
I paused it to take a leak during the long ass second half and the Kali illusion plot came to my mind. So, Mikes story about didn't hit me as hard.
And, since we are all talking about how unlikely it would be for Will to come out back in the 80's, we have to say how unlikely Lucas and Max dating is/was. Interracial dating was incredibly taboo back then. Madonna just about made people's heads explode for having a black dude as the lead in the 'Like a Prayer' video. A young brother in a small rural town dating a very pale ginger girl? Not likely. Did it happen, of course. Would they be promenading around the town square, not likely. The 80's still had a lot of the old ways.
I love that this show is about an alternate world controlled by dark forces who infiltrate and control the minds of kids but the big realism issue for some of y'all is an extra gay person or interracial couple per the statistics.
I was not a fan of Season 5. Way too convoluted with all kinds of extraneous stuff - but I loved everything after the "18 months later" break.
Very satisfying ending for the characters. The emotions from the actors seemed to be genuine and real. Reminded me of the Cheers finale in that way.
I really enjoyed the way each primary character got a happy ending and time on screen for that to play out. Helps us imagine how they end up while smiling as viewers. Reminded me of the Six Feet Under last 10 minutes in terms of satisfaction with character wrap ups (that is the best finale of all IMO).
What attracted me, and I assume most others, to the Series was the way this group of friends interacted and grew and seemed real. The fact that that's how they ended it with a bookend to the series opener was the right call. Friends being friends around a table game that never really ends. Just a new campaign for the future.
Very satisfying ending for the characters. The emotions from the actors seemed to be genuine and real. Reminded me of the Cheers finale in that way.
I really enjoyed the way each primary character got a happy ending and time on screen for that to play out. Helps us imagine how they end up while smiling as viewers. Reminded me of the Six Feet Under last 10 minutes in terms of satisfaction with character wrap ups (that is the best finale of all IMO).
What attracted me, and I assume most others, to the Series was the way this group of friends interacted and grew and seemed real. The fact that that's how they ended it with a bookend to the series opener was the right call. Friends being friends around a table game that never really ends. Just a new campaign for the future.
Quad Dog said:
Screaming no at Steve fall fakeout. Then screams of joy when caught.
Good El fake out when she was shot. Lots of "nooooo" in theaters. The reveal of her being shot and the reveal of it being fake were both well done.
This is a main complaint people have with this show
cheap death fakeouts are a sure sign of lazy uncreative writing. If it's a main character you should have known by now they would be okay.
I know, but it really worked in a theater full of fans. Him falling, the cut to black for a second, then him being caught. Fun moment in a theater but probably eye rolling at home on a couch.
I think that one also worked specifically because it was Steve and it was kind of a nod to the fans who had been theorizing he was gonna die. I was actually surprised there weren't a couple of those as kind of a wink to the fans.
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There's no way we don't get a prequel about the case guy in the cave.
it's explained in explicit detail in the Broadway play the first shadow
All of my unanswerable questions got me accused of making fat jokes last night by my kids.
#1 - Nancy catches Holly when they get her out of the hive mind connection; who's catching Derek?
#2 - All of the kids had to climb down that giant ladder back to freedom. Derek got winded running a mile through the woods in Vecna's mind; how long does it take him to get down that ladder?
#1 - Nancy catches Holly when they get her out of the hive mind connection; who's catching Derek?
#2 - All of the kids had to climb down that giant ladder back to freedom. Derek got winded running a mile through the woods in Vecna's mind; how long does it take him to get down that ladder?
RangerRick9211 said:Langley said:RangerRick9211 said:Langley said:Quad Dog said:Brock Sampson said:
If the 11 suppressors were on then there is no way 11 would have been able to get in Mike's mind for the final goodbye and then escape. She had to do that from the Upside Down.
Mike's final story was a way for the kids to close that chapter of their lives together.
Also no way for her to get from the truck to behind the gate with all the guards around. The noise makers nullify her powers and make her immobile in pain. Neither scenario makes full sense when you think too hard about it.
That and the whole building where kali was "injured and using her powers" blew the **** up to smithereens with the bomb Murray set off
Yeah eleven is dead
Or, Kali isn't shot and that was an illusion.
Go back and re-watch. El's hands and sleeves are covered in her blood from trying to stop the bleeding.
Next scene she's with Hop and Murray on the roof - not a hint of blood anywhere on El.
Oh right she survived the massive explosion that ripped open a worm hole and then also snuck through the army kryotponite suppressors.
She and el are both dead
(The next scene without blood definitely is not bad editing just like the under armor oopsie in the 80s)
Kali is dead. But not from gunshot, wormhole collapse. Just another idea that the projection/El survives theory. Maybe that was the new plan through a change of heart and wanted El to get her happy ending.
Covered in blood isn't a minor logo miss. I'd be surprised if that was a true wiff.
Regarding the blood and what I bolded above, you didn't even need to get to the roof scene. There was a cut where 11 still has her hands in Kali's abdomen and there is no blood on her despite her hands being submerged in it just before.
It was an okay finale vibewise. The second hour dragged on and on though.
Someone earlier asked about teenagers watching this. We had three at our house and they were panning the finale throughout.
Charlie Conway said:Quad Dog said:
Screaming no at Steve fall fakeout. Then screams of joy when caught.
Good El fake out when she was shot. Lots of "nooooo" in theaters. The reveal of her being shot and the reveal of it being fake were both well done.
This is a main complaint people have with this show
cheap death fakeouts are a sure sign of lazy uncreative writing. If it's a main character you should have known by now they would be okay.
I'll be honest, I thought they were great. The El fake death was something I've not seen before. The Steve fake death scene was the writers ****ing with us. I liked them.
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Lots of hits. But some misses, too.
They abandoned the whole obsession with clocks and time. Was hoping they'd revisit that.
What happened to Dr. Kay and the pregnant women?
What happened to Susie?
Too much epilogue for me.
They abandoned the whole obsession with clocks and time. Was hoping they'd revisit that.
What happened to Dr. Kay and the pregnant women?
What happened to Susie?
Too much epilogue for me.
I thought the Hopper vs. Vecna scene was one of the best of the whole run of the series. Unless I'm mistaken, it's Vecna's first ever scene with an adult. David Harbour challenging him to show himself, wanting so desperately to end it even though he knows fundamentally he can't kill him was bad-ass, and the way Vecna tricked im was genius.
Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:Charlie Conway said:Quad Dog said:
Screaming no at Steve fall fakeout. Then screams of joy when caught.
Good El fake out when she was shot. Lots of "nooooo" in theaters. The reveal of her being shot and the reveal of it being fake were both well done.
This is a main complaint people have with this show
cheap death fakeouts are a sure sign of lazy uncreative writing. If it's a main character you should have known by now they would be okay.
I'll be honest, I thought they were great. The El fake death was something I've not seen before. The Steve fake death scene was the writers ****ing with us. I liked them.
Yeah. the second he started to fall I knew Jonathan was going to be the one to catch him. "From rivals to friends."
I really thought a few episodes in we were heading for some kind of wild time travel thing. Linda Hamilton, the flux capacitor reference, one of the army guys called the sonic weapon "the hedgehog" which I thought might be a clue they were from the future since sonic didn't come out until the 90's.
But again, none of that mattered lol.
But again, none of that mattered lol.
I had a long ride and put some thoughts into my fan-flick version. Here's what would have been a 10/10 for me. I'll stop *****ing and move on with life.
Starting at gang just went through rift to Abyss and El/Keli are being suppressed by helicopter dish at the lab:
Starting at gang just went through rift to Abyss and El/Keli are being suppressed by helicopter dish at the lab:
- Murray explodes the helicopter.
- El wipes the entire military unit except for Akers.
- Instead of making Akers shoot himself, she brings him into her mind and shows him everything: Experiments, Key/Brenner, Henry history, 12 hostage kids and the plan to merge the worlds.
- El to Akers: "Help my friends. Help the kids. Help save the world."
- Immediate pan to the radio tower. Vines and demo-dogs are pouring up it; demo-bats funneling into the rift. Slow pan up into the Abyss where they are pouring in after the gang. Vecna is in his mind and vulnerable. This is the penultimate moment of the entire plan and the hive is assembling in defense.
- Murray, Akers, Hop and El are watching this from the roof. El chases after the Hop trust me dialogue.
- Mind Flayer / demo-dog/bat battle starts.
- El makes her power leap into the MF to battle Vecna. Outside Nance is bait and gang starts to fight back to help El - not going well. Out of nowhere military helicopter joins the fight with Murray riding shotgun dropping grenades laughing manically, Akers and Hop dumping mags. Flashback to them getting a military helicopter, missing the rift with missiles and Murray convincing a full send.
- They land Hop on the back of MF. He's frenzied shooting a hole through MF to reach El with flashbacks to early El, Sarah, the convo with Vecna - he can't lose a second daughter.
- Hop falls through and hits the floor. He see's El and Vecna locked into a power off. She's bleeding from both nostrils.
- [Hop] "One last time, kid." He starts unloading until Vecna power swipes him.
- Seeing Hop hurt she starts bleeding even more from nostrils and now eyes. She starts to impale Vecna.
- Vecna sends the extendo-arm at El, Will channels to stop him. Stalemate.
- Outside things are bleak. Gang is in various states of imminent collapse from MF fight, demo-dogs
- Back inside, stalemate still, but they're out of time - Will voice channels through Vecna; he's no longer the scared vessel - he's big secret is out to the world - not even death scares him now: "Do it El. End it."
- El viscerally screams using every bit of her power one last time and fully impales Vecna.
- Outside demo-dogs drop mid-air attacking gang; bats fall from the sky; Will collapses. The hive dies with Vecna.
- Everyone rejoices: Joyce and Mike see Will collapsed and rush to him.
- Yada, yada, save kids and go back.
- Van hits military spike strips coming back into Hawkings. They throw open back door with everyone and Dr. Key sees Akers.
- [Key] "Akers?"
- Now knowing the full truth, Akers immediately puts one through her dome.
- Before graduation scene we get a fast forward montage: Military demobilizes (Akers rolling out the last humvee locking eyes with Hop), Max catches up on school (lol) so she can graduate, Clarke/Dustin connecting so much that he's valedictorian, our boy Ted and boo Karen fix the marriage, Joyce is broken, Holly and Max hanging, etc..
- Grad scene.
- Instead of final D&D game in basement, it's at Will's grave site. Will the Wise is spared the cringe NYC scene.
- Final scene: Mike typing and wrapping the storyteller scene. Pans from him to the lamp in the background. Closer and closer on it - it flickers - black screen.
Agree on having the US Military become the good guys to help defeat Vecna once they know the truth
And Nancy should have smacked Jonathan's "anti-capitalism" (pro communism) plan with a dose of reality but she didn't - he basically seems to be siding with the Russians with that plan?
And Nancy should have smacked Jonathan's "anti-capitalism" (pro communism) plan with a dose of reality but she didn't - he basically seems to be siding with the Russians with that plan?
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