*** THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS *** (Spoiler Thread)

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The first showings should be letting out around now (if not already), so I wanted to get a thread a going.

As for me, I'm seeing it either tomorrow night or Saturday night (I have tickets for both), depending on my schedule, so I'll see you guys back here once I do.
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Enjoyed it, for sure fits towards the end of the first third of MCU. Better take on the Origin story with how the introduce the universe and family. Galactus and Shalla Bal looked very good on screen. Ending surprised me and even more confused with the mid credit scene on what the motiviations for Doomsday is going to be but I am exctied to see what happens
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I don't know anything about Franklin Reed (I watch the comic movies but not a comic reader) but seems like he has some major implications in the comic world that we'll see play out in the next phase. I was disappointed they didn't tie this to the end credits scene in Thunderbolts and kept waiting for that to happen. I thought the cast worked great together and was a likable ensemble. Much shorter and self contained than I expected and I liked it. Only real complaint is I thought the CGI on Grimm had some noticeable weak spots.
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Took the family, we all enjoyed it. I loved the aesthetic of the movie. Felt like it was a fun ride. Thought the mid credit scene was very interesting and I have no idea how they are going to thread that together.

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Just got back from watching. It was a fun period piece. Shakman just knows how to capture that aesthetic.

Is it just me or do the conversation pits in the Baxter Building look exactly like the ones in Avengers(z) Tower in the Thunderbolts post credit scene?
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johncAG said:

Enjoyed it, for sure fits towards the end of the first third of MCU. Better take on the Origin story with how the introduce the universe and family. Galactus and Shalla Bal looked very good on screen. Ending surprised me and even more confused with the mid credit scene on what the motiviations for Doomsday is going to be but I am exctied to see what happens


Doom wants to be healed. Removed his mask and had child trying to touch it. Not sure what his motivation will be for doomsday though
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Amazing visuals. Story was fantastic. Exceeded my high expectations.

Five stars
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AggieLitigator said:

johncAG said:

Enjoyed it, for sure fits towards the end of the first third of MCU. Better take on the Origin story with how the introduce the universe and family. Galactus and Shalla Bal looked very good on screen. Ending surprised me and even more confused with the mid credit scene on what the motiviations for Doomsday is going to be but I am exctied to see what happens


Doom wants to be healed. Removed his mask and had child trying to touch it. Not sure what his motivation will be for doomsday though


Franklin Richards can manipulate reality. Going to guess that plays a pretty significant role in the different dimensions meeting.

And that was probably my favorite MCU movie in a while. I'd say Spiderman 2&3, Shang Chi, Deadpool, Guardians 3 Thunderbolts and this film are the quality post Endgame movies.

One thing I enjoyed was the portrayal of Sue Storm. She was kind of a joke for years but this film showed her as the most powerful of the 4 (which apparently she is in the comics).
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I saw this last night and was not really too fired up to see another version of the same story. To be fair, this version seemed to be the closest to the comics to me with the goofy robot and the 50's era decor. That being said, this was boring as heck to me. I think I even nodded off it was so slow and predictable.

I realize that Galactus can manipulate his size but to be pushed down the street by Sue was a bit far fetched. I mean he's Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds!! He's suppose to be HUGE!

I sat through most of the movie just shaking my head at the ridiculousness of it all.

I mean lets launch a big ass rocket right from downtown, fingers crossed nothing goes wrong!
Sue about to pop going on a fighting mission and uh oh, gives birth in zero gravity.
Ben's rock beard! (I know he grows one in the comics but still).
Pedro, who I like, was kind of getting on my nerves with his scientific muttering all the time.
The Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa choir singing through the whole movie was about to drive me nuts!

I'm sure the more I think about it the more stuff will come to mind. Just was glad it was over!
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I thought it was a lot of fun. It was definitely the best MCU movie since Endgame. I liked the cast, I liked the 60s vibe, I liked Franklin Reed even though I was fully prepared for an annoying baby, I liked the design of the starship, car, the home, all of it. I liked the score as well.

I noticed at the end of the credits where Alan Silvestri was credited for something called "Doom". Is Silvestri scoring the next Avengers movie(s)?

The end credit sequence was interesting, and I am curious where they'll go with it. Like someone said previously, I kept waiting for a tie-in to the end credits sequence from Thunderbolts*, so I was a bit disappointed that it never came.
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AgTrip said:

I saw this last night and was not really too fired up to see another version of the same story. To be fair, this version seemed to be the closest to the comics to me with the goofy robot and the 50's era decor. That being said, this was boring as heck to me. I think I even nodded off it was so slow and predictable.

I realize that Galactus can manipulate his size but to be pushed down the street by Sue was a bit far fetched. I mean he's Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds!! He's suppose to be HUGE!

I sat through most of the movie just shaking my head at the ridiculousness of it all.

I mean lets launch a big ass rocket right from downtown, fingers crossed nothing goes wrong!
Sue about to pop going on a fighting mission and uh oh, gives birth in zero gravity.
Ben's rock beard! (I know he grows one in the comics but still).
Pedro, who I like, was kind of getting on my nerves with his scientific muttering all the time.
The Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa choir singing through the whole movie was about to drive me nuts!

I'm sure the more I think about it the more stuff will come to mind. Just was glad it was over!

You might just be old
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PatAg said:

AgTrip said:

I saw this last night and was not really too fired up to see another version of the same story. To be fair, this version seemed to be the closest to the comics to me with the goofy robot and the 50's era decor. That being said, this was boring as heck to me. I think I even nodded off it was so slow and predictable.

I realize that Galactus can manipulate his size but to be pushed down the street by Sue was a bit far fetched. I mean he's Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds!! He's suppose to be HUGE!

I sat through most of the movie just shaking my head at the ridiculousness of it all.

I mean lets launch a big ass rocket right from downtown, fingers crossed nothing goes wrong!
Sue about to pop going on a fighting mission and uh oh, gives birth in zero gravity.
Ben's rock beard! (I know he grows one in the comics but still).
Pedro, who I like, was kind of getting on my nerves with his scientific muttering all the time.
The Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa choir singing through the whole movie was about to drive me nuts!

I'm sure the more I think about it the more stuff will come to mind. Just was glad it was over!

You might just be old


Bizarre take. A lot of people were applauding at the end. Thought is was fantastic (pun intended). Especially considering the movies that preceded it.
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PatAg said:

AgTrip said:

I saw this last night and was not really too fired up to see another version of the same story. To be fair, this version seemed to be the closest to the comics to me with the goofy robot and the 50's era decor. That being said, this was boring as heck to me. I think I even nodded off it was so slow and predictable.

I realize that Galactus can manipulate his size but to be pushed down the street by Sue was a bit far fetched. I mean he's Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds!! He's suppose to be HUGE!

I sat through most of the movie just shaking my head at the ridiculousness of it all.

I mean lets launch a big ass rocket right from downtown, fingers crossed nothing goes wrong!
Sue about to pop going on a fighting mission and uh oh, gives birth in zero gravity.
Ben's rock beard! (I know he grows one in the comics but still).
Pedro, who I like, was kind of getting on my nerves with his scientific muttering all the time.
The Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa choir singing through the whole movie was about to drive me nuts!

I'm sure the more I think about it the more stuff will come to mind. Just was glad it was over!

You might just be old


Or bored as heck
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I liked it but can see how someone would say it was boring
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Just finished watching this one. Best Marvel flic in a very long time.
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BoydCrowder13 said:

PatAg said:

AgTrip said:

I saw this last night and was not really too fired up to see another version of the same story. To be fair, this version seemed to be the closest to the comics to me with the goofy robot and the 50's era decor. That being said, this was boring as heck to me. I think I even nodded off it was so slow and predictable.

I realize that Galactus can manipulate his size but to be pushed down the street by Sue was a bit far fetched. I mean he's Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds!! He's suppose to be HUGE!

I sat through most of the movie just shaking my head at the ridiculousness of it all.

I mean lets launch a big ass rocket right from downtown, fingers crossed nothing goes wrong!
Sue about to pop going on a fighting mission and uh oh, gives birth in zero gravity.
Ben's rock beard! (I know he grows one in the comics but still).
Pedro, who I like, was kind of getting on my nerves with his scientific muttering all the time.
The Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa choir singing through the whole movie was about to drive me nuts!

I'm sure the more I think about it the more stuff will come to mind. Just was glad it was over!

You might just be old


Bizarre take. A lot of people were applauding at the end. Thought is was fantastic (pun intended). Especially considering the movies that preceded it.


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I actually think I liked this more than Superman, and that shocks the heck out of me!
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Thought it was pretty great. I've been wanting a good Fantastic Four movie for a long time, but I've never really been able to put my finger on what it needed to be right and capture the essence of the comics. But I think this pulled it off. It helps that I'm father now, so I was emotionally-primed after the first scene.

My only "gripe" (and it's really not much of a gripe) is that I don't really like the look or sound of the Shalla-Bal Surfer. I feel like comics Surfer is almost white in his silvery shimmeriness, but she looked too metallic and grimy, like an old quarter.

Anyway, super thrilled that a new audience gets to experience the Fantastic Four the right way. They don't have the coolest powers but they've got so much heart and charm and I'm excited to see what Marvel does with them from here.

10/10, would clobber again
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I thought the first half was about as great and as perfect as could possibly be. Like, holy-crap-they-finally-nailed-the-Fantastic-Four, well-on-its-way-to-top-ten-MCU territory for me.

But after the big (and admittedly incredible) space sequence, once Franklin was born, and Reed gave that weird, way-too-honest press conference, I thought the second half (or however much was left) was a significant step down. Not bad, necessarily, but average at best and rushed as hell.

In fact, it's pretty obvious there was a good 20 minutes worth of material, at least, cut from the movie throughout. And maybe it was all terrible/rightfully cut, but it still needed another 20 minutes or so of… something, I don't know what. More character development? Reed not being such a damn mope all the time?

All I know is that Galactus was the one thing that was outright terrible, IMO. He made absolutely no sense to me, and neither did the final plot to take him down.

As mentioned earlier, for such an apparent big, bad, planet-consuming god I was shocked at how small he was (relatively speaking), and how easily beatable he seemed. He had no interesting or world-dominating powers, and I feel like Godzilla, for instance, could have mopped the floor with him. Glactus seemed so beatable that it made no sense whatsoever why the military - or literally anyone else - wasn't working in tandem with/alongside the Fantastic Four. I mean, movie-wise, I get it. The Fantastic Four vs Galactus - in the simplest/cleanest way possible - was clearly a purposeful choice, in the spirit of the comics, etc. But from a more realistic, live-action perspective, I just couldn't get over how dumb it was that all of Earth left their fate in the hands of four people, one of whom just had a baby. Like, fifteen fighter jets barraging Galactus with missiles seems like it would have easily done the trick. Or hell, just luring him to the desert and then nuking him. But no, let's leave it up to four people and their flying car smack dab in the middle of the city.

Trust me, I understand how much we were already suspending our disbelief up to that point, but man that really bugged me. It just felt so half-assed and ill-conceived. Never mind not even bothering to show how a guy the size of a building consumed entire planets or why (other than his "eternal hunger" or whatever). Put bluntly, it was one of those instances where slavish devotion to canon - i.e. to some ridiculous idea a couple of guys randomly had one day in the 1960s, probably after smoking a joint - hurts a movie rather than improves it.

Anyway, it was a fun, then very-okay time at the movies, but I doubt I ever watch it again. And this is coming from someone who really, truly wanted to love it.
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Also, yeah, the way that damn baby was rendered and green-screened was some of the worst, most distracting CGI I've ever seen. It was so bad, and there was so much of it. Like, shockingly so.

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agdoc2001 said:

BoydCrowder13 said:

PatAg said:

AgTrip said:

I saw this last night and was not really too fired up to see another version of the same story. To be fair, this version seemed to be the closest to the comics to me with the goofy robot and the 50's era decor. That being said, this was boring as heck to me. I think I even nodded off it was so slow and predictable.

I realize that Galactus can manipulate his size but to be pushed down the street by Sue was a bit far fetched. I mean he's Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds!! He's suppose to be HUGE!

I sat through most of the movie just shaking my head at the ridiculousness of it all.

I mean lets launch a big ass rocket right from downtown, fingers crossed nothing goes wrong!
Sue about to pop going on a fighting mission and uh oh, gives birth in zero gravity.
Ben's rock beard! (I know he grows one in the comics but still).
Pedro, who I like, was kind of getting on my nerves with his scientific muttering all the time.
The Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa, Fa choir singing through the whole movie was about to drive me nuts!

I'm sure the more I think about it the more stuff will come to mind. Just was glad it was over!

You might just be old


Bizarre take. A lot of people were applauding at the end. Thought is was fantastic (pun intended). Especially considering the movies that preceded it.


People who applaud at movies are morons and their takes should be disregarded completely.

People who refuse to applaud at movies are joyless, cynical losers and their takes should be shoved alongside the poles already up their asses.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think comics Galactus is actually even smaller than the movie one. IIRC once on earth and over the Baxter building, he starts building a device that will convert earth into energy for him to consume.

I believe his ship was that device in this version. I'm curious what happens with it after, since he kinda parked it in the solar system to come and take Franklin.
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Like, fifteen fighter jets barraging Galactus with missiles seems like it would have easily done the trick. Or hell, just luring him to the desert and then nuking him. But no, let's leave it up to four people and their flying car smack dab in the middle of the city.


This is a fair takeaway. I guess my thoughts are… while Sue is the powerhouse of the team, that's not really the point here (it's not like X-Men: Apocalypse where he's unstoppable until you just Phoenix him to death). It's more about that mama bear strength, like when a mom lifts a car to save her child… and even then she died in the process, and only managed to push him back like 50 yards.

I think Galactus would have shrugged off missiles, and while a nuke may have stunned him (and destroyed the portal and the city), he's basically unkillable. The best you can hope for is diverting him somehow, either by turning the Silver Surfer against him, tricking him through a portal (or both in this case) or using something like an infinity gauntlet against him.

Surely it's not a thing of "get Sue real mad and she can do anything" like crush Doctor Doom inside his armor or something. I think this was the exact scenario where force of will (and theme) could do just enough to save the day.
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I totally get all of that, re: Sue, and agree.

But "Galactus would have shrugged off missiles, and while a nuke may have stunned him (and destroyed the portal and the city), he's basically unkillable" was not shown to us in any tangible way. As a non-comic-book reader, his invincibility wasn't visually communicated. And the Silver Surfer simply saying, in so many words, "you can't kill him" wasn't enough. Telling not showing is bad writing. Because, otherwise, Galactus seemed to be harmed at times by fire/explosions, and didn't really use powers of any kind that I recall, other than being big and using his scanning ability.

Also, that's why I said nuke him in the desert, not in the city.
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Now you've given me the movie that I didn't know I need:

Godzilla Versus Galactus.
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That's fair. I liked when he was lit on fire and totally unphased but otherwise yeah, audiences could fairly assume that something else could work.

I guess I took the chase sequence with the Surfer, and then her subsequent powerlessness before Galactus, to show the scale of things well enough to know that he couldn't be hurt by conventional means.
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But there were other times where Johnny/his fire seemed to cause actual damage to him, and Galactus even expressed physical pain (even if minor) a couple times. Which speaks to my larger point… it was confusing and not at all consistent, in terms of what affected him and what didn't.
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Him being bothered by fire was convenient writing so they could temporarily blind him to do the baby switch out.
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LB12Diamond said:

Him being bothered by fire was convenient writing so they could temporarily blind him to do the baby switch out.

Indeed it was. Despite some of the valid critical points made, I will still say I enjoyed the movie quite a bit.
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I loved this movie. Between this and Thunderbolts I have a lot of hope for the MCU moving forward. Add a strong start to the DCU and I think we might see a resurgence of CBM. The cast was picture perfect and Sue really was a stand out. I liked this Reed that clearly was so smart and it terrified him when he didn't have an answer.

I also really liked Johnny and the Shalla Bal stuff. Ben was no notes
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TCTTS said:

I totally get all of that, re: Sue, and agree.

But "Galactus would have shrugged off missiles, and while a nuke may have stunned him (and destroyed the portal and the city), he's basically unkillable" was not shown to us in any tangible way. As a non-comic-book reader, his invincibility wasn't visually communicated. And the Silver Surfer simply saying, in so many words, "you can't kill him" wasn't enough. Telling not showing is bad writing. Because, otherwise, Galactus seemed to be harmed at times by fire/explosions, and didn't really use powers of any kind that I recall, other than being big and using his scanning ability.

Also, that's why I said nuke him in the desert, not in the city.


Could have had a scene earlier in the movie where the military tries to defeat something and their weapons dont work. The johnny and the team attack and defeat it. That then let's us know their powers work where our weapons dont. Would have maybe taken 5-10 minutes
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Exactly. Anything along those lines.

I get that they didn't want to go the Man of Steel route and have them coordinating with the military for an entire act or whatever, but it was just so incredibly dumb how all of planet Earth was basically like, "Okay, you four got this? Good luck!"
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I guess the only counterpoint in the context of the movie was that they all lived in a peace and harmony for the last 4 years and the Fantastic 4 handled everything .
Still a good movie overall, will be interesting to see where they go with marvel from here
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TCTTS said:

Exactly. Anything along those lines.

I get that they didn't want to go the Man of Steel route and have them coordinating with the military for an entire act or whatever, but it was just so incredibly dumb how all of planet Earth was basically like, "Okay, you four got this? Good luck!"

hmmm

You mean just like infinity war and most Marval shows?
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The military response time in New York would have been too long, and the city was too populated, to deal with the threat using jets/missiles/tanks/etc toward the beginning of Infinity War. It made sense for the (existing) Avengers, who were already on the scene, to try and handle it first, spur of the moment.

But an empty city that had days to plan for one, slow-walking, seemingly vulnerable giant dude? Totally different scenario.

Also, at the end of Infinity War, all of Wakanda + most of the Avengers were at least hundreds if not thousands more strong than just four freaking people. Never mind that Wakandan tech was likely more advanced than anything the military had.
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