Very okay. Not near as good as Superman.
*** THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS *** (Spoiler Thread)
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I really enjoyed both movies. I will definitely see them both again in the theater, but I think F4 has me wanting to rewatch more.
TCTTS said:
It never made sense to me why Disney didn't save FF for November. Just completely baffling, especially considering they only had a year to shoot it and do VFX, which is insane for a movie of this scale.
Weirdly, though, that may be a blessing for the superhero genre in the long run, re: superhero fatigue, seeing as the next superhero movie now isn't until June 26, 2026 with Supergirl. In the modern age, have we ever gone 11 months without a superhero movie?
They were trying to punk DC. And it backfired badly.
Well somehow I forgot about TDKR.Bruce Almighty said:Cinco Ranch Aggie said:
The Avengers to Iron Man 3 was a year.
10 months. TDKR came out 2 months after Avengers.
It probably hurt that this movie came out at the peak of social media becoming aware that Pedro Pascal is a weirdo. Hollywood has tried so hard the last few years trying to shoehorn him in as THE guy. Maybe they'll move on to someone more deserving.
Cliff.Booth said:
It probably hurt that this movie came out at the peak of social media becoming aware that Pedro Pascal is a weirdo. Hollywood has tried so hard the last few years trying to shoehorn him in as THE guy. Maybe they'll move on to someone more deserving.
I don't disagree... at minimum the Pedro fatigue is real. I'm pretty tired of seeing him in everything
He's definitely a bit overexposed right now, but the whole "weird" thing is a small minority of online posters looking for something to be mad about. I've never heard a negative thing said about him by anyone who knows him.
I did think his voice was weird in parts of this movie. I dunno if it's because in most things he's kind of going for a gruff lower pitched thing but the first time he talked in this movie I thought of the SNL skit he's in where he wakes up with the weird voice.
bobinator said:
I did think his voice was weird in parts of this movie. I dunno if it's because in most things he's kind of going for a gruff lower pitched thing but the first time he talked in this movie I thought of the SNL skit he's in where he wakes up with the weird voice.
I thought he was going for a nerdier voice for Reed. It sounded off in a couple scenes.
Doesn't seem like a "small minority" kind of thing. My favorite clip was where he laid his hands on Willem Dafoe's wife and he looked like he wanted to punch him. Something is definitely off about that guy, but I guess we can agree to disagree on that.
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Cliff.Booth said:
Doesn't seem like a "small minority" kind of thing. My favorite clip was where he laid his hands on Willem Dafoe's wife and he looked like he wanted to punch him. Something is definitely off about that guy, but I guess we can agree to disagree on that.
This? The Internet is outraged about a chin touch? Jesus Christ, do people just have no life whatsoever? Were you also upset when Pedro shoved his head inside of the woman's arms a few minutes later when she came and hugged him?
Sapper Redux said:bobinator said:
I did think his voice was weird in parts of this movie. I dunno if it's because in most things he's kind of going for a gruff lower pitched thing but the first time he talked in this movie I thought of the SNL skit he's in where he wakes up with the weird voice.
I thought he was going for a nerdier voice for Reed. It sounded off in a couple scenes.
Yeah, in an interview he talked about how he was going for sort of a 60s science teacher vibe and that he had a hard time finding the right balance without it sounding too weird.
I've seen a few comments that also mention he seemed like he might have been neurodiverse, makes a lot of sense for the smartest guy on the planet might be a bit socially awkward.
Yeah that's a whole lot of nothing.
I thought this was very ok.
Darth Vader would have force choked Galactus to death for how far away from earth he exited hyperspace. What the heck was that. Warp across the universe in hours, then spend a week crossing the solar system to earth? Silly.
The cgi baby was distractingly bad. As the parent of a toddler, some of the movie's content around them becoming parents hit, but a lot felt like they were leaning into tropes that they hoped would be funny and other parts made me wonder if anyone involved with this has ever had a baby before. They certainly did not know what a newborn looked like! Hearing them constantly say that having a baby won't change anything was the most hilariously stupid thing I've heard in a movie in years. Having a baby changes everything! If you want character arcs, that can provide them in spades.
I was impressed at the guts they were showing to kill Sue Storm and how that would challenge the surviving characters to show major character growth going forward, but then of course the magic baby brought her back to life. Death fake outs are lame.
The final plan to teleport galactus was the most obvious trap I've ever seen. "Hey galactus. We are going to momentarily blind you, but then just stand anround and watch as you step into a clearly marked triangle between 3 pylons while one of us stands next to a switch. Please proceed." Come on.
One moment Reed is opening a lava valve on Galactus' back and it seems to really hurt him, then we just never address that again. Lazy writing.
And then Sue Storm can push Galactus 12 city blocks anyway?
What is Johnny Storm's deal? Why was he on the crew? Is he a great scientific mind and linguist? I hardly know a thing about him or Ben after this movie. And Ben's flirting with the Jewish gal that never went anywhere - talk about clearly missing content.
Ok. Done griping.
The aesthetic was really fun. I loved the sound effect whenever Galactus' eyes turned blue, which sounds like such a minor thing, but it was a great sound effect. I thought they nailed the look of Galactus. The movie was often fun. But man… I don't think I'd recommend this one unless someone was a big comics or F4 fan.
Darth Vader would have force choked Galactus to death for how far away from earth he exited hyperspace. What the heck was that. Warp across the universe in hours, then spend a week crossing the solar system to earth? Silly.
The cgi baby was distractingly bad. As the parent of a toddler, some of the movie's content around them becoming parents hit, but a lot felt like they were leaning into tropes that they hoped would be funny and other parts made me wonder if anyone involved with this has ever had a baby before. They certainly did not know what a newborn looked like! Hearing them constantly say that having a baby won't change anything was the most hilariously stupid thing I've heard in a movie in years. Having a baby changes everything! If you want character arcs, that can provide them in spades.
I was impressed at the guts they were showing to kill Sue Storm and how that would challenge the surviving characters to show major character growth going forward, but then of course the magic baby brought her back to life. Death fake outs are lame.
The final plan to teleport galactus was the most obvious trap I've ever seen. "Hey galactus. We are going to momentarily blind you, but then just stand anround and watch as you step into a clearly marked triangle between 3 pylons while one of us stands next to a switch. Please proceed." Come on.
One moment Reed is opening a lava valve on Galactus' back and it seems to really hurt him, then we just never address that again. Lazy writing.
And then Sue Storm can push Galactus 12 city blocks anyway?
What is Johnny Storm's deal? Why was he on the crew? Is he a great scientific mind and linguist? I hardly know a thing about him or Ben after this movie. And Ben's flirting with the Jewish gal that never went anywhere - talk about clearly missing content.
Ok. Done griping.
The aesthetic was really fun. I loved the sound effect whenever Galactus' eyes turned blue, which sounds like such a minor thing, but it was a great sound effect. I thought they nailed the look of Galactus. The movie was often fun. But man… I don't think I'd recommend this one unless someone was a big comics or F4 fan.
Thanks and gig'em
dave94 said:
I really enjoyed both movies. I will definitely see them both again in the theater, but I think F4 has me wanting to rewatch more.
I liked both for very different reasons but liked F4 more. Wont see them in theaters again but they were both highly enjoyable and a return to enjoyable comic book movies.
Finally got around to seeing this, and felt like it was pretty average for a Marvel movie. I knew going in that it was going to be superhero vs alien, but I guess I was still hoping for a better done villain. I really prefer Earth based super villains. Give them some sort of cosmic ray or radioactive bite, so they can compete, but random alien is kind of boring for me.
I haven't read the thread yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who was distracted by the creepy baby. Also, I thought it was kind of lazy of the writers to not explain why Galactus wanted the baby. They should have just named him, "McGuffin."
My kids both enjoyed it better than me, though. My wife seemed to be on-par with me. My two in-laws both feel asleep, but they're old.
I haven't read the thread yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who was distracted by the creepy baby. Also, I thought it was kind of lazy of the writers to not explain why Galactus wanted the baby. They should have just named him, "McGuffin."
My kids both enjoyed it better than me, though. My wife seemed to be on-par with me. My two in-laws both feel asleep, but they're old.
It was pretty, and Galactus looked cool. Forgettable otherwise.
AustinAg2K said:
Finally got around to seeing this, and felt like it was pretty average for a Marvel movie. I knew going in that it was going to be superhero vs alien, but I guess I was still hoping for a better done villain. I really prefer Earth based super villains. Give them some sort of cosmic ray or radioactive bite, so they can compete, but random alien is kind of boring for me.
I haven't read the thread yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who was distracted by the creepy baby. Also, I thought it was kind of lazy of the writers to not explain why Galactus wanted the baby. They should have just named him, "McGuffin."
The baby is a McGuffin, but they did explain why he wants him. Pretty thoroughly.
I don't read the comics but I do know that Reed and Sue's kid (Franklin) is a big deal and extremely powerful. Galactus can see this and he tells them he wants the kid because he can take over his role so he can finally rest.
And I get what you're saying but Galactus isn't a random alien. He's one of the biggest bads in comics and a primary foe of the F4
Sex Panther said:AustinAg2K said:
Finally got around to seeing this, and felt like it was pretty average for a Marvel movie. I knew going in that it was going to be superhero vs alien, but I guess I was still hoping for a better done villain. I really prefer Earth based super villains. Give them some sort of cosmic ray or radioactive bite, so they can compete, but random alien is kind of boring for me.
I haven't read the thread yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who was distracted by the creepy baby. Also, I thought it was kind of lazy of the writers to not explain why Galactus wanted the baby. They should have just named him, "McGuffin."
The baby is a McGuffin, but they did explain why he wants him. Pretty thoroughly.
I don't read the comics but I do know that Reed and Sue's kid (Franklin) is a big deal and extremely powerful. Galactus can see this and he tells them he wants the kid because he can take over his role so he can finally rest.
And I get what you're saying but Galactus isn't a random alien. He's one of the biggest bads in comics and a primary foe of the F4
They could have taken 5 minutes to explain Galactus for the non-nerds like my wife. Wouldn't be hard to explain how he was from the universe before this one and doesnt destroy planets because hes evil but because he is driven to, to survive.
Sex Panther said:AustinAg2K said:
Finally got around to seeing this, and felt like it was pretty average for a Marvel movie. I knew going in that it was going to be superhero vs alien, but I guess I was still hoping for a better done villain. I really prefer Earth based super villains. Give them some sort of cosmic ray or radioactive bite, so they can compete, but random alien is kind of boring for me.
I haven't read the thread yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who was distracted by the creepy baby. Also, I thought it was kind of lazy of the writers to not explain why Galactus wanted the baby. They should have just named him, "McGuffin."
The baby is a McGuffin, but they did explain why he wants him. Pretty thoroughly.
I don't read the comics but I do know that Reed and Sue's kid (Franklin) is a big deal and extremely powerful. Galactus can see this and he tells them he wants the kid because he can take over his role so he can finally rest.
And I get what you're saying but Galactus isn't a random alien. He's one of the biggest bads in comics and a primary foe of the F4
All I heard them say was that Galactus is afraid the baby is going to over take Galactus, but no explanation as to why. No explanation as to what the Baby's powers are, other than it can heal people. I don't get how that has anything to do with Galactus. Is he going to heal the planets back together after Galactus eats them?
Also, I have heard of Galactus, and I know he eats planets, but I have no idea of why. Are the planets becoming too powerful? Are they doing harm to the universe? Is it just because Silver Surfer doesn't like the way they look? Is he clearing the way for a new interstellar super highway? Other than knowing he's a big bad guy, I don't know anything else about him.
AustinAg2K said:Sex Panther said:AustinAg2K said:
Finally got around to seeing this, and felt like it was pretty average for a Marvel movie. I knew going in that it was going to be superhero vs alien, but I guess I was still hoping for a better done villain. I really prefer Earth based super villains. Give them some sort of cosmic ray or radioactive bite, so they can compete, but random alien is kind of boring for me.
I haven't read the thread yet, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who was distracted by the creepy baby. Also, I thought it was kind of lazy of the writers to not explain why Galactus wanted the baby. They should have just named him, "McGuffin."
The baby is a McGuffin, but they did explain why he wants him. Pretty thoroughly.
I don't read the comics but I do know that Reed and Sue's kid (Franklin) is a big deal and extremely powerful. Galactus can see this and he tells them he wants the kid because he can take over his role so he can finally rest.
And I get what you're saying but Galactus isn't a random alien. He's one of the biggest bads in comics and a primary foe of the F4
All I heard them say was that Galactus is afraid the baby is going to over take Galactus, but no explanation as to why. No explanation as to what the Baby's powers are, other than it can heal people. I don't get how that has anything to do with Galactus. Is he going to heal the planets back together after Galactus eats them?
Also, I have heard of Galactus, and I know he eats planets, but I have no idea of why. Are the planets becoming too powerful? Are they doing harm to the universe? Is it just because Silver Surfer doesn't like the way they look? Is he clearing the way for a new interstellar super highway? Other than knowing he's a big bad guy, I don't know anything else about him.
He was from an advanced civilization in the universe before the Big Bang destroyed it and started the current universe. He was a brilliant scientist and journeyed to the blast and somehow merged with the sentience of the old universe. He lay dormant for billions of years while the new universe formed, and when he woke up he has a hunger for energy that can only be obtained from hospitable planets. The silver surfer is a herald that scouts planets out for him.
Franklin has a crazy amount of powers, but the biggest is that he has the power cosmic like Galactus, so Galactus sees the kid as a replacement so he can finally rest. Franklin can also open up interdimensional portals and create pocket universes, so Doom should have an interest in his powers moving forward.
Literally a 45 second flashback of Galactus could have given us most of this info.
I imagine it's because Feige thinks Avengers: Doomsday is going to save the MCU and so they wanted to just speed run to that movie but back when Marvel was cranking out great movies this one obviously would have been at least two different movies.
There's just so much "don't worry about this, just accept it and let's keep going, it's not the point..." in this movie.
I imagine it's because Feige thinks Avengers: Doomsday is going to save the MCU and so they wanted to just speed run to that movie but back when Marvel was cranking out great movies this one obviously would have been at least two different movies.
There's just so much "don't worry about this, just accept it and let's keep going, it's not the point..." in this movie.
Finally watched this. Thought it was way better than Superman , and a little better than thunderbolts.
I think this and thunderbolts were at least a step in the right direction for marvel.
I'm still confused how anyone watched Superman and had any emotional investment in ANYthing about that storyline.
I think this and thunderbolts were at least a step in the right direction for marvel.
I'm still confused how anyone watched Superman and had any emotional investment in ANYthing about that storyline.
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But there's nothing like that here. They're each already comfortable with their powers, they're each doing their jobs for the right reasons, they're already a tight-knit family, etc. Seeing as "family" seems to be the theme of the movie, though, that's what I would have honed in on to develop. You can still skip the origin story, by at the beginning of the movie have them growing apart, leading their own lives, etc. Johnny is loving/getting caught up in the celebrity of it all, Ben is having a hard time adjusting/fitting in, Sue and Richard are having trouble conceiving, etc. Whatever their individual issues are, they're struggling to "be a family." But then here comes Galactus and now they suddenly have to learn to come together as a family again, embrace who they are, etc. Something along those lines.
As good as the first half is, it's an ideal, not a struggle, in terms of character. And I think that's one of the reasons why the second half dips significantly for me... it exposes that nothing particularly interesting was set up in the first half in terms character arcs, and you soon realize there's no where interesting for their arcs to go.
I think you hit on the point of Earth 828 without realizing it.....Earth 828 is a utopia. Think about it....no state militaries, everyone is happy, there is almost zero discord. You have 4 superhero's that save the day every time a hint of badness shows up. It's an idyllic, unobtainable dream that ignores basic human behavior which is how a lot of us happen to glorify some of our past decades. Simpler times without all of the bull**** we now face. That movie was a 2 hour commercial for one of those 1950s future commercials where they show you the future kitchen and future cars.
I posit that this was done on purpose to contrast Earth 828 with Earth 616 which is the Earth we know - full of conflict, evil people, constant warfare and death, everyone is on anti-depressants and always looking for a drug to fix things. Normal human behavior since man stood up and walked for the first time. When the F4 get to 616, it should be a cultural shock for them if they are consistent with these themes. And they are no longer going to be the big fish in the small pond that is 828. There are uncountable earthlings on 616 that could kick their ass into next week without even thinking about it.
As far as the movie is concerned, this was easily the best FF movie that has been made although they are still a pretty boring team to me simply because of setup and power set. Agree with you on some of your nitpicks but I thought it was mostly enjoyable despite those. I thought Pedro was not good in this role. He was very flat. It's funny because the only two roles I've ever seen him in are The Mandalorian where he's never shown and says 3 words each episode and this movie. As far as my data set is concerned, he's the most one-note actor I've ever seen which I realize is totally unfair. lol.
And since we were comparing it back then to Superman, I enjoyed this more than Superman which I dislike more and more as time goes on.
This was one of the most boring movies I have seen. The characters were smart when the plot needed them to be, then dumb when the plot needed them to be. Also, the technology made no sense. I get the retro vibes, but they are still using tape recorders for data storage while inventing matter transportation devices?
Also, the humor was a complete miss for me, especially at the end. They just saved the world from the first intergalactic threat they've ever faced, get an alert about danger, then spend the next 10 minutes trying to put a baby seat on a car. Just terrible.
I'm not even comparing it to Superman, I'm just comparing it to the average action movie. It was bad
Only redeeming thing for me was the retro motif. Most of that was pretty cool. The huge TV's on shillings started out neat, but got a little much when they showed galactic romping through New York.
Oh, yeah, I almost forget. The plan to stop the big bad guy was to trick him into stepping into a trap? And what was with the super long count down sequences throughout the entire movie? Then the getting to 0.88 speed of light to get home? Maybe I missed the explanation because I fell asleep, but if they used FTL to get from point A to point B, then to Point C, wouldn't travelling back to Point A at near the speed of light cause massive relativity problems?
Again, completely fine with suspending disbelief, but if the premise of the movie is a super intelligent family saves the world using science, you should probably be consistent with the science you use.
Also, the humor was a complete miss for me, especially at the end. They just saved the world from the first intergalactic threat they've ever faced, get an alert about danger, then spend the next 10 minutes trying to put a baby seat on a car. Just terrible.
I'm not even comparing it to Superman, I'm just comparing it to the average action movie. It was bad
Only redeeming thing for me was the retro motif. Most of that was pretty cool. The huge TV's on shillings started out neat, but got a little much when they showed galactic romping through New York.
Oh, yeah, I almost forget. The plan to stop the big bad guy was to trick him into stepping into a trap? And what was with the super long count down sequences throughout the entire movie? Then the getting to 0.88 speed of light to get home? Maybe I missed the explanation because I fell asleep, but if they used FTL to get from point A to point B, then to Point C, wouldn't travelling back to Point A at near the speed of light cause massive relativity problems?
Again, completely fine with suspending disbelief, but if the premise of the movie is a super intelligent family saves the world using science, you should probably be consistent with the science you use.
Had meant to see this opening weekend in the theater, but my usual gang could never ever settle on time so I wound up finally watching it Friday/Saturday on D+.
Like most, I really enjoyed the aesthetic of the alternate Earth, but like a few I'm really baffled how they wouldn't show what Galactus was capable of by showing him destroy another world. One Johnny figures out that Ruth saved her world by becoming his herald, it's hard to understand why they wouldn't use the next 120 seconds showing her rolling up on worlds and him destroying them and her having to live with the horror of being responsible for murdering trillions and trillions of people.
There needs to be a fan film spoof of someone in another country or a state other than New York doing live blog updates of the Galactus crisis.
Day 1 - This weird silver chick on a surfboard showed up in Times Square and says some guy named Galactus is coming and is going to kill everyone.
Day 7 - The Fantastic Four went to space and stopped that guy and Mrs. Fantastic had a baby in space
Day 8 - Turns out they didn't stop him and now everyone's freaking out.
Day 10 - Stretchy guy says we have to turn off the lights at 8 pm and spend all our country's money building this bridge to put Earth in some other galaxy or something.
Day 13 - surfer chick destroyed our bridge.
Day 14 - Apparently that guy Galactus showed up this morning while we were still asleep and the Fantastic Four defeated him in like 30 minutes. But now my country is in the worst recession of all time.
Like most, I really enjoyed the aesthetic of the alternate Earth, but like a few I'm really baffled how they wouldn't show what Galactus was capable of by showing him destroy another world. One Johnny figures out that Ruth saved her world by becoming his herald, it's hard to understand why they wouldn't use the next 120 seconds showing her rolling up on worlds and him destroying them and her having to live with the horror of being responsible for murdering trillions and trillions of people.
There needs to be a fan film spoof of someone in another country or a state other than New York doing live blog updates of the Galactus crisis.
Day 1 - This weird silver chick on a surfboard showed up in Times Square and says some guy named Galactus is coming and is going to kill everyone.
Day 7 - The Fantastic Four went to space and stopped that guy and Mrs. Fantastic had a baby in space
Day 8 - Turns out they didn't stop him and now everyone's freaking out.
Day 10 - Stretchy guy says we have to turn off the lights at 8 pm and spend all our country's money building this bridge to put Earth in some other galaxy or something.
Day 13 - surfer chick destroyed our bridge.
Day 14 - Apparently that guy Galactus showed up this morning while we were still asleep and the Fantastic Four defeated him in like 30 minutes. But now my country is in the worst recession of all time.
Gaius Rufus said:
This was one of the most boring movies I have seen. The characters were smart when the plot needed them to be, then dumb when the plot needed them to be. Also, the technology made no sense. I get the retro vibes, but they are still using tape recorders for data storage while inventing matter transportation devices?
Also, the humor was a complete miss for me, especially at the end. They just saved the world from the first intergalactic threat they've ever faced, get an alert about danger, then spend the next 10 minutes trying to put a baby seat on a car. Just terrible.
I'm not even comparing it to Superman, I'm just comparing it to the average action movie. It was bad
Only redeeming thing for me was the retro motif. Most of that was pretty cool. The huge TV's on shillings started out neat, but got a little much when they showed galactic romping through New York.
Oh, yeah, I almost forget. The plan to stop the big bad guy was to trick him into stepping into a trap? And what was with the super long count down sequences throughout the entire movie? Then the getting to 0.88 speed of light to get home? Maybe I missed the explanation because I fell asleep, but if they used FTL to get from point A to point B, then to Point C, wouldn't travelling back to Point A at near the speed of light cause massive relativity problems?
Again, completely fine with suspending disbelief, but if the premise of the movie is a super intelligent family saves the world using science, you should probably be consistent with the science you use.
When I saw that, my immediate first thought was that it was a homage to Back to the Future. I have no idea if that is true.
I had the same thought about the 0.88 speed. And the struggle with the car seat was funny, but confusing. So much for the emergency I guess.
Just saw it finally today. I liked it. Loved the retro-futuristic vibe. I didn't like Johnny. Thought the "Johnny is loving/getting caught up in the celebrity of it all" was missing entirely. Chris Evans did it SO much better.
As far as the CGI baby, when he stopped crying and just looked at Sue for a few seconds before "healing" her, it reminded me of my little granddaughter, so there's that.
And I like Superman as well. But again I'm not extremely picky about movie things.
Just saw it finally today. I liked it. Loved the retro-futuristic vibe. I didn't like Johnny. Thought the "Johnny is loving/getting caught up in the celebrity of it all" was missing entirely. Chris Evans did it SO much better.
As far as the CGI baby, when he stopped crying and just looked at Sue for a few seconds before "healing" her, it reminded me of my little granddaughter, so there's that.
And I like Superman as well. But again I'm not extremely picky about movie things.
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