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NoACDamnit
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The upper leadership of Bonfire doesn't tell people anything because they really don't need to know. It would be and truly is a better experience out there if you sit back and think all the major details are taken care of. All the randoms shouldn't have to worry about those things. Thats why we have upper leadership. They tell us what we need to know, such when and where to show up and work, and as far as I can tell, that seems to be good enough. We are cutting down trees and we will be stacking in a few weeks.


For alumni considering if they should support the endeavor or not, "You dont need to know" is simply not a good enough answer - ESPECIALLY for something as important as permits. That answer may suffice for the fish in the woods, but to me it really sounds as if they don't have a clue what they're doing with regard to the logistics.
commando2004
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The upper leadership of Bonfire doesn't tell people anything because they really don't need to know.


THEY'RE NOT THE ****ING CIA!!!!
Keegan99
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The upper leadership of Bonfire doesn't tell people anything because they really don't need to know.


Speaking as someone that's done a bit of fundraising work, telling that line to those that write checks will have a dramatically adverse affect on revenue.
SquareOne07
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...stands by whistling on the side...

Saying "you don't need to know" is Bonfire speak for "we don't know what's going on anymore than you do" as far as I'm concerned. And once you get out and try to tell any of your bosses that or your supporters that, they'll say the same thing.
COKEMAN
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NoAC, even though this is the wrong thread for this, I'll address this one more time, then I'm done. Regarding the permits, as already mentioned, the atty that is working this issue (Pro Bono BTW) has requested that anything related to the permits NOT be discussed. I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea what his complete strategy is, but everyone involved is going to respect his request to remain quiet.

Now, I understand how frustrating it is, but really, what do you expect anyone to do? Can you find an atty to represent SB once this one bails because his clients completely disregarded his advice and undermined whatever strategy he may have? Or what about someone that only knows part of what is going on spouting off in public? Who's going to spend their time correcting the bad press or rumors that result?

I can see the students here not completely understanding this, but those that have been out in the real world long enough should understand that it is not always possible to release every single detail about a business transaction or a legal issue.

Having said that, SB can do a better job getting other info out to its members and potential donors. No question. It's not a black box and, as I have said before, all involved realize the need to keep it from becoming one. However, it's also not "open source." Every single detail regarding a meeting or the process to reach a decision won't be made public. Not because "you don't need to know" or "this is super secret Bonfire stuff", but because it serves no purpose. Important items like safety policies, construction guidelines, building processes, etc should be, will be and are made public. Those are the items the reports meant when they said things were too secretive. I really don't feel they meant that every permit or issue the University dealt with should be publicized.

Keep this in mind too: Any "official" information will only be released through the SB website or in an official press release, not on TexAgs. Yes, the website has been short of info lately, but sometimes there's just not anything to release. I have been assured several times that all emails received from the listed address are forwarded to the appropriate party. If you are asking questions over and over about the permits, then I can see why you feel like it is unresponsive. Probably at least something that says "can't speak to that, etc, etc" would be better. However, if you are asking other types of questions that aren't getting answered, then that should be addressed.

This is a growing organization and even with the issues at hand, it stills gets better each year. As with any organization, there are setbacks that hopefully something is learned from and corrected for later years. That's about all you can ask. They have the safety and construction stuff wired tight, now they need to learn more about running a business that is scrutinized in the public eye. Don't write them off yet.

Scott Coker '92
Kajones97
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Mykal Jones
C/O 97
HHH Crew Chief 94a & 94b
Built 93-98


Coker has a point, some aspects you do not discuss with the "grunt" labor, such show up and be ready to built the hell outta Bonfire!
SquareOne07
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"grunt labor"

Do those involve people cutting SB checks too?
HOGS LEW
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Do you ever find something to not complain about? The lawyer said don't talk about it, so guess what they aren't talking about it. Just be thankful that there is Bonfire, be happy to do your part on it and trust that a lot smart passionate people are doing everything they can to make it go smoothly. If this was safety issue then you should be up in arms to get attention. This is a political issue, there is no need to detract anything from SB in the name of a political issue.

NoACDamnit
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Do you ever find something to not complain about? The lawyer said don't talk about it, so guess what they aren't talking about it. Just be thankful that there is Bonfire, be happy to do your part on it and trust that a lot smart passionate people are doing everything they can to make it go smoothly. If this was safety issue then you should be up in arms to get attention. This is a political issue, there is no need to detract anything from SB in the name of a political issue.


Lew, have you read the Linbeck report? The attitude of "The people who need to know, know" is straight out of it. It's just scary to a lot of us. I know you guys feel invincible, but so did we.

I can understand SOME things needing to remain with the organization due to legal issues.

But again I ask, what POSSIBLE legal reason could there be to keep from saying, "Yes, we've filed our permits?" We're not talking about disclosing the terms of some contract here. We're talking about something that IS already public information if its been filed.
nerd94
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Lechner Yellow Pot-- bonfire '94a,b
Currently head lurker.
What's up Kajones?
SquareOne07
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Do I ever find something not to complain about? I'm asking questions. Questions that need to be answered. Turning away from a problem or two doesn't make it go away, and as you can tell, other people besides me are getting fed up with the "need to know" attitude. I don't agree that there are a lot of smart passionate people doing everything they can be doing. Otherwise this whole permit fiasco wouldn't exist and even if it did, it would be handled in another way then this.

This is not a political issue. This is an issue of not taking care of business and then not admitting to it, that's what it looks like to me.

As tiring as it is for you to have to READ my "complaints" it's even more tiring for me and others to ask the same questions again and again and receive the same BS answer.

Do not tell me to go to the website.
HOGS LEW
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That is why I said one should do everything they can for a safety issue. No one feels invincible anymore. However, going on and on about an issue that can not be discussed is not productive.

The organization has things to work on, yes. It has been very focused on safety and it continues to be. If it wasn't then everyone should be angry. This issue is not a safety issue. Could it have gone smoother? Probably could, and lessons I am sure are being learned. Do we wish we were in on everything. Yeah it would be great but we have to let some things go and let the people working on them handle it. If it really is just driving you crazy volunteer your efforts to help. SB unfortunately has an uphill PR battle, this stuff doesn't help. There is a big difference between a safety issue and a PR issue. Again safety issue, talk to your yellow or someone else in leadership. If they don't care talk to someone else, don't let it slide. If there is a PR issue volunteer your efforts and give the leadership room to do their jobs. T

At least people care enough about SB for there to be arguments.
Ag_E Aggie
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NoAC, if everything was black & white, things would be simple. Maybe there are legal reasons that are not so easy to think of that are giving them a reason not to disclose some of the info that you're seeking,

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We're talking about something that IS already public information if its been filed.



you have a good point there, but public records are not kept on Texags.
red64fairlane
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Andrew Lee Cowan
Class of 2009
A-A-A-A-A
McInnis Chief Bonfire 2006
SquareOne07
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LEW, good call. If I didn't care or if you didn't care there would be no discussion period.
keebsag08
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Keebs or Zacchaeus (depending on whether you met me before my friend from FHK had me change it)

Shane Davison

2008

Crew for right now
DoctorSnoball
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Snoball (aka. Holy Crap is that a Nerd?)
FTAC 07

Adam Frenzel

Student Bonfire '03 (Lekner), '04 (Clements), '05 (Lekner), '06 (Nerd Chief)

2006 NQBOB (The position so lazy no one knows it exists)
HOGS LEW
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IMO Bonfire will have officially arrived when we start getting crap about killing trees.

We are not cutting down forests, we are building prairies.
WH08PsyJayci
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Do not tell me to go to the website.


GO TO THE WEBSITE. just kidding.

I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!!
WH08PsyJayci
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oh yeah...

Jayci Gia.....
Fightin' Texas Aggie Class of '010!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

:: dumbfounded look :: dorm? dorm JAYCI, B****es.

[This message has been edited by WH08PsyJayci (edited 10/27/2006 5:03p).]
SquareOne07
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class of what??

I know where you live too.

Expect wads, creamy ones.




Cutting down trees guys, seriously, consider the environment...please!!
commando2004
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Whatever happened to Hugh Wilson? His website's not up anymore. Not that I'm complaining.
Kajones97
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Hey Dan, your truck is not my fault but some of my fish . . . . . .

Where are you, man? I haven't heard from anyone from the "Ol' Army Days".
JMJennings
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La Fuega
Jessica M. Jennings
C/O 2008 (A-A-A-WHOOP!)
(Unofficial) Nerd Chair '06

Some old nerds are trying to get a crew started up again in an unnamed all-freshman honors dorm ;-). Ask me about it.

-JMJ

[This message has been edited by JMJennings (edited 11/1/2006 2:52p).]
HOGS LEW
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Texas used to be almost all prairie land, Bonfire is just returning Texas to its wild state one forest at a time.
TexasRebel
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Ranger65 might've come out as Bob Gates, but that sure as hell doesn't mean SquareOne is going to find out who I am...
SquareOne07
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It's good to know you haven't forgotten about me!
Burger
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get a room
DualAG
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Whatever happened to Hugh Wilson? His website's not up anymore. Not that I'm complaining.


Hugh Wilson still teaches biology at Texas A&M. His academic web site is available through his department's web page.

I would think that, as Dr. Wilson gained maturity, he realized that he was becoming much more known for his opposition to Bonfire than for his research. Perhaps he now concentrates on the more relevant aspects of his profession.

Or, perhaps, his objection to Bonfire centered on the university's sponsorship of a tradition that he considered environmentally destructive.

Now that Bonfire has moved into the private sector, his voice is heard as often as it was regarding the thousands of trees felled each day by developers -- an environmental pillage that vastly exceeded the annual harvest of Bonfire logs.


[This message has been edited by DualAG (edited 12/9/2006 10:15a).]
WH08PsyJayci
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get a room


i love you so much burger
 
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