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How do they distinguish between "Bonfire" and "non-Bonfire" people?

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The smell.

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Yeah, I guess I'm one of the few that bathes regularly for the 9 months out of the year before cut, stack, and burn...keep forgetting

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"bonfire" people are the ones that hang out at the benches in front of the dorms or in th quads.

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In my years on campus, my monthly venture to the benches revealed many people that I never saw at bonfire. Sure, there were some Bonfire boys, but not exclusive, and I think northside dorms pride themselves in that they are not necissarily exclusive.

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How do they distinguish between "Bonfire" and "non-Bonfire" people?

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Those ****ing *****es should have no ****ing problem telling the ****ing difference.

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A former RA who is a friend of mine told me that the GHD had the RA's write up Bonfire guys for everything simply because we were Bonfire guys

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Why?

Let me pose this question, when discussing "bonfire culture": Where did the dorm rivalries come from? And what do they stem from today now that bonfire is off campus?

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Where did the dorm rivalries come from?

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At any point in the history of the Earth, when at least 2 factions or groups are in the same environment; they will compete to be the biggest, strongest, etc. The same goes for the apes in the northside dorms.

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And what do they stem from today now that bonfire is off campus?

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Tradition, because someone says so, and/or sheer boredom.


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WH08PsyJayci

Oh my god... a voice of reason!

Moses could've saved itself if it had decided at some point to use its organization and powers for good things instead of being a pain in the ass.

And the thing about sending the notices out a week before housing decision stems from the debacle with Hotard. They let them know too soon, so they organized and the CBE had no choice but to postpone their plans a year to shut them up. Now whenever something like this happens, you find out as late as possible.

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And the thing about sending the notices out a week before housing decision stems from the debacle with Hotard. They let them know too soon, so they organized and the CBE had no choice but to postpone their plans a year to shut them up. Now whenever something like this happens, you find out as late as possible.

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they shouldn't egg them on...retaliations only bring retaliations...

Just to put my two cents in....

I lived in Moses for my fish year, and while intimidating at first it was nice to have some of the upperclassmen come by and make sure that I came along for dinner at Fitzwilly's. Without the upperclassmen around to "run the show" the confused freshman sydrome will only be worse. I do regret not getting to know more people better in my hall, but late nights at Langford as a fish kept me way too busy.

It is the job of the upperclassmen to keep the traditions alive, and without having a good meshing of ages in dorms, one can only wonder what might happen to the traditions of our great university. Texas A&M prides itself in "the other education" and that "education" flourishes in the dorms and is fueled by the upperclassmen.

that's fine if they want to involve fish in the things they do, as long as the things they do aren't illegal and/or destructive. Moses isn't being converted because there was too much help from juniors to freshman and those darn freshman felt too welcome. It's because the older guys and younger ones too...acted like *******s and destroyed the university's property and become more of a liability than anything.

can't let anything just settle.... have to stir the pot

Randomly picking upperclassmen from other dorms and sticking them in, instead of making it an all fish co-ed dorm makes a little more sense to me too...

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Randomly picking upperclassmen from other dorms and sticking them in, instead of making it an all fish co-ed dorm makes a little more sense to me too...

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I agree. There are two separate issues here.

(1) Kicking out all of the current residents. Harsh, but they had it coming.

(2) Creating an all-fish co-ed dorm. As I've already stated, a bad idea. I don't think it's a coincidence that Lechner didn't have a Bonfire crew in 2002-2005.

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It is the job of the upperclassmen to keep the traditions alive, and without having a good meshing of ages in dorms, one can only wonder what might happen to the traditions of our great university. Texas A&M prides itself in "the other education" and that "education" flourishes in the dorms and is fueled by the upperclassmen.

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I am an old DG Fighter and WH08 nailed the best part of dorm life – and especially a rowdy dorm. DG was a dorm that took pride in being Aggies and stressed the traditions most of all. Dorm-mates drug you to Sbisa, to cut-class, to Silver Taps. I can still remember the crap some of us took for not attending Silver Taps - once.

I read this BB and look back on my time at school, and the thing that impresses me about the modern non-regs is Bonfire. I was heavy into Bonfire during my time, but watching how the students are keeping it alive when it is not an official event is impressive. That is one tradition I think you should be proud of because you will look back on these days and recall the special things – Bonfire is a special thing!

DG’s mantra during my years was “No Frats.” and reveling in the fact that we were the only non-reg dorm that loaded trucks. I’m convinced it was because they pots knew we would kill ourselves with axes – but we loved the work. I could go on & on but SquareOne07 said

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It's because the older guys and younger ones too...acted like *******s and destroyed the university's property and become more of a liability than anything.

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I could not agree more – Like I said, I’m an Old DG Fighter! Whoop!

Man, F^^% Empire. First floor baby.

Anyways, what they're doing to Moses has been coming for a while. Not really surprised. It is a shame though.

A word of warning for the rest of y'all on Northside. Whether you like us or not, whether you care what happens to any of us, be warned. You're next.

"In Germany, they first came for the gypsies, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a gypsy. Then they came for the Bolsheviks, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Bolshevik. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics. I didn't speak up then because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak up." - Martin Niemoller, A Lutheran Pastor arrested by the Gestapo in 1937

They took Hotard. They tried to take Legget. They took Neeley. They took Moses. Slowly but surely, they're eroding and eliminating all on-campus living in the dorms with spirit, with unity, with character, with pride, and with great people. Just like Lee's Army of Virginia, the South is coming North; only this time, it's Southside coming to Northside, and I doubt we'll have our Gettysburg.

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Moses could've saved itself if it had decided at some point to use its organization and powers for good things instead of being a pain in the ass.

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Such as? Getting people out of their dorm to come to dinner? Making friends that will last a lifetime? Pulling out giant crews for Big Event and getting fifty to a hundred people to show up for Yell and Muster? Designating drivers for EVERY resident that needs one when we through parties? Bailing our friends of jail or bad relationships? Building the ever-livin', ever-lovin, compound, complex HELL outta Bonfire? Helping each other get jobs on the cold days in hell that one of us graduates? Keeping each other out of jail?

I mean, yeah, we never do ANYTHING that's good or wholesome. Not even a little bit.

Tmoney, everything that's come out of your mouth on this issue has been so blatantly biased and prejudiced that it's almost like reading something about blacks written by a white man in the 1940s South. It's so nice when ignorant fu<ksticks open their mouths about things of which they have not the slightest clue.

Howdy, go **** yourself, and have a great day. It's line-toeing administration brown-nosing pieces of **** like you that don't even deserve the privilege of calling yourself an Aggie. Austin's just down the road, I suggest you put in for a transfer. Unless you're in DC because you're still licking Dr. Dou<hebag Gate's cornhole.

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They took Hotard. They tried to take Legget. They took Neeley. They took Moses. Slowly but surely, they're eroding and eliminating all on-campus living in the dorms with spirit, with unity, with character, with pride, and with great people...

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Just the fact that you left out DG means you are too young, didn't read my reply above, or both.

Darn it!

I think ThatGuy just exemplified the Moses mentality.

It's not that the guys weren't loyal to each other, it's that they weren't loyal to their school.

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this is the most absurd thing. i don't buy that for one second. why would they hate bonfire people? honestly? because they are destructive and disrespectufl? maybe? let moses serve as the example for this. it creates work for the ra's to have to go through the hassle of writing people up and dealing with them. they would much rather make sure that whatever you are doing isn't going to kill you or break something within the dorm (so they don't have to do word orders--more work) and turn the other way so they don't have to deal with it.

occsionally, you get the jerk ra who is out to get people, but that's like 1/20 staff members.

what reason does reslife have to hate bonfire? what gave it such a negative connotation?

thatguy, you strike me as a blubbering immature fool. I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that. You're the very best piece of evidence for my own assumption. Why is it that you and people like you think there is one kind of person that belongs at this university? Why don't you realize how amazing this place is and how much better it's getting by the day. Maybe YOU'RE the one who should get a clue and hit the road realizing that your ignorance and narrow-mindedness are not welcome and are more destructive than any hall closure or change could ever be? I really hope you are in no way an indication of Texas A&M to anybody else but you are your friends.

Reading the crap you posted is embarassing and you should be embarassed having made it public, much less even thought it.

Dumb.

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Oh (#&$, That guy found this thread.

Pack it up boys, debate's over.

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It's not that he's ignoring DG, it's just that he doesn't think it's the same thing.

As an Ol' Ag, you might not be aware of what I call "the '03er's view of A&M", although it's spread to a large number of recent students.

Essentially, Aggie History is divided into two distinct eras:

(1) Prior to November 18, 1999, unwelcome events (dorm closings, football losses, etc.) happened for various, justifiable reasons.

(2) After November 18, 1999, everything is part of an administration conspiracy to kill Aggie spirit, unity, and tradition; of which the elimination of Bonfire is the central part.

If you think the history of A&M can be divided into only 2 eras, that before the collapse of bonfire and that era following the collapse, then I would argue that you're essentially ignorant of the school's history and the various events and changes that have taken us to where we are today.

To think that A&M's history has two eras divded by the Bonfire tragedy, then I think you're a little out of touch and too stuck on Bonfire to realize that this university is MUCH bigger than Bonfire.

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Nice observation leknerd. I remember talking to my father (Class of ’58) once when it seemed there was never-ending debate about hazing and it’s effect on the Corps, how the Corps was “dying” and along with it all of our traditions. As a resident of DG and eventual YP, I was saying the same things you are today. Bonfire was on a “yearly probation” not for just the activities that went on during cut and stack – but for the “negative” influences it garnered in the residence halls, etc. Heck - frats already had a stronghold on OCA and they were making their way on campus. Each of these events looked to take away from the Aggie traditions and our way of life – the things that made A&M special. My dad’s reply was “really, they were trying to do that when I was in school!”

Killing off a dorm like Moses is a business move that the University feels it must make. If you think about it, they are probably right. I can look back at DG and admit it now. Oh sure it could have evolved, and probably would have. The last RA we had was sent there to clean the place up – he “resigned” during the fall of his 2nd year. We finished out that year with no Head Resident. I think the events that lead to his resignation were more than a footnote in the decision to turn DG into a girl’s dorm.

In fear of sounding like my old man I have to tell you that this will pass and the traditions will live on – if you continue to participate in a positive manner. When DG died I thought everything else would, too. But as Aggies, you have a lot to be proud of and continue to believe in.

Having worked outside of Texas my entire career, you will be surprised what people think of A&M and Aggies. When you talk to people you notice everybody lived in rowdy dorms or knew of them, everyone has those stories. But no one else had a Bonfire, No one can believe that the students continue the tradition even without the support of the University following that terrible tragedy. Some people still think A&M is a military school, others know of our conservative reputation; still others are amazed to hear of Muster and Silver Taps. People know of other Aggies and comment how loyal they are to each other – and it is true - you can’t explain what it is to be an Aggie, but you definitely show it in your pride. That is makes me proud of A&M.

What’s ironic is that my dad was a member of Squadron 14 – that has been a female unit for years now. Tradition - who'd of thought?

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Just the fact that you left out DG means you are too young, didn't read my reply above, or both.

Darn it!

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It's not that I ignored your reply, but I simply can't speak with any firsthand knowledge on the subject, so unlike many in this thread, I decided to remain silent on the issue.

Growing up, I was told stories about DG from one of the guys (Mike McElroy) who was kicked out as part of the transition. However, lacking any personal knowledge of the circumstances of it all, I decided it wouldn't be very intelligent to open my mouth about it. Same goes for Law and Puryear. I wasn't here for any of that, so any comments I would make on the subject have zero merit.

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I think ThatGuy just exemplified the Moses mentality.

It's not that the guys weren't loyal to each other, it's that they weren't loyal to their school.

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Not loyal to Texas A&M? Really. So paying our tuition, getting fish involved, taking them to Yell, to games, to dinner (as a group, not as individuals), teaching them how to follow, then turning around and teaching them to lead in their upperclassmen years, taking them to Replant, taking them to Big Event, taking them EVERY MONTH to Silver Taps, taking them EVERY YEAR to Muster, having kids become Fish Camp counselors, getting them involved in FLIP and other FLOs.....

None of that involves being loyal to our university? I could continue to list the things that current and former residents have done for this university, but you don't care to listen. I guess your definition of "being loyal to their school" involves toeing the line, keeping our mouths shut, never being vocal in any way shape or form. That's your opinion. You're welcome to it.

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this is the most absurd thing. i don't buy that for one second. why would they hate bonfire people? honestly? because they are destructive and disrespectufl? maybe? let moses serve as the example for this. it creates work for the ra's to have to go through the hassle of writing people up and dealing with them. they would much rather make sure that whatever you are doing isn't going to kill you or break something within the dorm (so they don't have to do word orders--more work) and turn the other way so they don't have to deal with it.

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I could name three off the top of my head from the three different years I lived in Moses. They turned blind eyes when their own friends did stuff but whenever any of us that weren't friends with them stepped across the line, we were written up on the instant. I've seen an RA allow an enraged student swing a hammer at another's head threatening to kill him and never wrote him up because both students were his friends. However, he wrote up freshman for alcohol violations that damn near had lawsuits leveled on the university because they were so spurious.

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hatguy, you strike me as a blubbering immature fool. I could be wrong, but I sincerely doubt that. You're the very best piece of evidence for my own assumption. Why is it that you and people like you think there is one kind of person that belongs at this university? Why don't you realize how amazing this place is and how much better it's getting by the day. Maybe YOU'RE the one who should get a clue and hit the road realizing that your ignorance and narrow-mindedness are not welcome and are more destructive than any hall closure or change could ever be? I really hope you are in no way an indication of Texas A&M to anybody else but you are your friends.

Reading the crap you posted is embarassing and you should be embarassed having made it public, much less even thought it.

Dumb.

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My narrow-mindness isn't welcome because I stand up to people ****-slinging about a place they have not a clue about. But his and your narrow-mindness on the subject are completely welcome? Do you not see the fundamental flaw in your logic? Not at all?

I've stayed out of this thread for the last two months because I've been working hard on not getting overly emotional on the subject. While that did turn out to fail, I will say this:

You didn't live there. You didn't participate in any way with any of the positive and negative things we did. However, you've presented yourself as a holier-than-thou, condescending and very ignorant person on the subject. You've opened your mouth on a subject which--at best--you are mildly acquainted with as if you were an actual authority on the subject.


Thanks and Gig 'Em.

Ben Harrison '05
RAB

Ben,

Please quit posting on this thread, lest you make yourself or anybody else in anyway associated with you look like any more of an ass than you've already done. Thanks.

FYI, paying your tuition is not something I would call being loyal to the university.

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not that you had any credibility in the first place, but i now feel dumber for having read your drivel.

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Do you hear this often Ben?

Yes!! Another puussy fight! Last time it was Square and Rebel - now we get to see Square and ThatGuy! Sit back and enjoy.

There won't be anythign to see between me and that idiot, he'll make himself look like an ass with no help from me.

It's That Guy...me may be a little brash and emotional...but I would never question his loyalty to either Texas A&M and especially not his friends.

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I guess your definition of "being loyal to their school" involves toeing the line, keeping our mouths shut, never being vocal in any way shape or form. That's your opinion. You're welcome to it.

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No, that is not my opinion. As I think I previously stated, not all of the aspects of Moses dorm life were negative. A great majority of the things you mentioned are very positive and demonstrate positive feelings towards The University.

Teaching your underclassmen to follow in a negative way, however, is not loyal. Teaching them poor manners and bad habits does not reflect on our school in a positive light. Every university has the college mentality, sure, but boldly chanting "we rape women, etc" does not represent The University in a way that needs to be represented. When you have the lowest GPA on campus continuously, and are proud of it--that is not loyal to The University. Being loyal involves doing your best to preserve and show respect, and do your best for yourself and for your school--to achieve great, to learn, and to apply your knowledge. You just don't **** where you sleep. And that's the reputation that Moses Hall, Red Ass B@stards, has gained for themselves by all of the extreme "fun" that those kids have.

Great, your dorm builds its own bonfire every year. I understand first hand what the benefits of hard work with your buddies and your new friends for life can give you. It still doesn't give you the right to destroy one of the historical buildings on campus, to have to "f!ck you, I'm from Moses (or any dorm, for that matter)" mentality.

I'm not questioning Ben's loyalty, personally. I know that he's the kind of guy to give someone $20 when he can barely afford it, because he knows that his buddy really needs it to eat. I know the caliber of a kind of guy--but "that dorm" that he's so proud of--not so much.

well said you strange person you

That whole "We Rape Women" thing...very catchy, I sure hope that catches on somewhere else though. Really good bull, and might I add, quite loyal...or whatever.