747Ag said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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The Vatican has announced the cause of death was a stroke followed by irreversible cardiocirculatory collapse.

They have also published his requests for burial. A simple, in ground tomb in the Papal Basilica of Saint Mary Major, no unnecessary ornamentation.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis-spiritual-will-and-testament.html

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There are many many unkind yet true things that could be said about the Pope Francis papacy; however what CANNOT be said is that he preached humility and poverty while embracing all of the luxurious trappings of his office. I also give him a huge amount of respect for performing his duties in the "fighting chair" so to speak right up until the moment he died.

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In telling my wife the news early this morning, I choked up. A little surprised by it to be honest. Pope Francis passing has affected me and for the better. May he rest in peace.

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Furlock Bones said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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The Vatican has announced the cause of death was a stroke followed by irreversible cardiocirculatory collapse.

They have also published his requests for burial. A simple, in ground tomb in the Papal Basilica of Saint Mary Major, no unnecessary ornamentation.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis-spiritual-will-and-testament.html

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There are many many unkind yet true things that could be said about the Pope Francis papacy; however what CANNOT be said is that he preached humility and poverty while embracing all of the luxurious trappings of his office. I also give him a huge amount of respect for performing his duties in the "fighting chair" so to speak right up until the moment he died.

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I agree and I'm sure this will not come off well. I agree this Pope preached love, kindness, and humility. He walked the walk so to speak

But, just MO, there's a hell of a lot more to being the actual leader of the Catholic Church than working soup kitchens, figuratively speaking

The Pope at times has to call a spade a spade, and be a little hard-nosed at times when the clergy get out line. And this is where he failed, IMO. As an administrator, so to speak. Oh, he'd get tough with a few Bishops that didn't play the progressive game. But he was vague, ambiguous, and lax on things like the German church, speaking and acting forcefully on McCarrick until later, and sending mixed messages (at best) on a host of issues

The criticism that he constantly had to explain his meaning, or have someone "clear things up" was not unfair criticism
IMO

Basically, nothing wrong with a pastoral approach, but there's more to it

Yes there is a lot to admire, and a lot to like about Francis. May he rest in peace, and may the college be guided to make a sound decision on our next leader

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He was an absolutely terrible Pope. Now that he has passed on it is fair game to critique him. With that being said, this close to his passing probably most charitable to discuss his good.

I often wish he had never been consecrated a Bishop, and had finished his ministry as Fr Jorge, children's hospital chaplain in Buenos Aires.

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I disagree.

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Furlock Bones said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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The Vatican has announced the cause of death was a stroke followed by irreversible cardiocirculatory collapse.

They have also published his requests for burial. A simple, in ground tomb in the Papal Basilica of Saint Mary Major, no unnecessary ornamentation.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis-spiritual-will-and-testament.html

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There are many many unkind yet true things that could be said about the Pope Francis papacy; however what CANNOT be said is that he preached humility and poverty while embracing all of the luxurious trappings of his office. I also give him a huge amount of respect for performing his duties in the "fighting chair" so to speak right up until the moment he died.

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I agree and I'm sure this will not come off well. I agree this Pope preached love, kindness, and humility. He walked the walk so to speak

But, just MO, there's a hell of a lot more to being the actual leader of the Catholic Church than working soup kitchens, figuratively speaking

The Pope at times has to call a spade a spade, and be a little hard-nosed at times when the clergy get out line. And this is where he failed, IMO. As an administrator, so to speak. Oh, he'd get tough with a few Bishops that didn't play the progressive game. But he was vague, ambiguous, and lax on things like the German church, speaking and acting forcefully on McCarrick until later, and sending mixed messages (at best) on a host of issues

The criticism that he constantly had to explain his meaning, or have someone "clear things up" was not unfair criticism
IMO

Basically, nothing wrong with a pastoral approach, but there's more to it

Yes there is a lot to admire, and a lot to like about Francis. May he rest in peace, and may the college be guided to make a sound decision on our next leader

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He was an absolutely terrible Pope. Now that he has passed on it is fair game to critique him. With that being said, this close to his passing probably most charitable to discuss his good.

I often wish he had never been consecrated a Bishop, and had finished his ministry as Fr Jorge, children's hospital chaplain in Buenos Aires.

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I disagree.

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Quo Vadis? said:

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RIP papa. Godspeed.

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AtticusMatlock said:

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The announcement of John Paul II was particularly stunning. The first non-Italian Pope in 455 years. The two frontrunners were Italian but could not get over the hump, and by the 7th ballot it was clear neither would ever have the votes. The Italian crowd was completely stunned. This is the ABC news live broadcast with Peter Jennings reporting live from Rome as the announcement was made.

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Captain Pablo said:

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Furlock Bones said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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The Vatican has announced the cause of death was a stroke followed by irreversible cardiocirculatory collapse.

They have also published his requests for burial. A simple, in ground tomb in the Papal Basilica of Saint Mary Major, no unnecessary ornamentation.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis-spiritual-will-and-testament.html

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There are many many unkind yet true things that could be said about the Pope Francis papacy; however what CANNOT be said is that he preached humility and poverty while embracing all of the luxurious trappings of his office. I also give him a huge amount of respect for performing his duties in the "fighting chair" so to speak right up until the moment he died.

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I agree and I'm sure this will not come off well. I agree this Pope preached love, kindness, and humility. He walked the walk so to speak

But, just MO, there's a hell of a lot more to being the actual leader of the Catholic Church than working soup kitchens, figuratively speaking

The Pope at times has to call a spade a spade, and be a little hard-nosed at times when the clergy get out line. And this is where he failed, IMO. As an administrator, so to speak. Oh, he'd get tough with a few Bishops that didn't play the progressive game. But he was vague, ambiguous, and lax on things like the German church, speaking and acting forcefully on McCarrick until later, and sending mixed messages (at best) on a host of issues

The criticism that he constantly had to explain his meaning, or have someone "clear things up" was not unfair criticism
IMO

Basically, nothing wrong with a pastoral approach, but there's more to it

Yes there is a lot to admire, and a lot to like about Francis. May he rest in peace, and may the college be guided to make a sound decision on our next leader

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He was an absolutely terrible Pope. Now that he has passed on it is fair game to critique him. With that being said, this close to his passing probably most charitable to discuss his good.

I often wish he had never been consecrated a Bishop, and had finished his ministry as Fr Jorge, children's hospital chaplain in Buenos Aires.

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I disagree.

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You're not alone

He was very polarizing, for sure

If there was one thing we all agreed on when it came to Pope Francis, it was to disagree

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Furlock Bones said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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The Vatican has announced the cause of death was a stroke followed by irreversible cardiocirculatory collapse.

They have also published his requests for burial. A simple, in ground tomb in the Papal Basilica of Saint Mary Major, no unnecessary ornamentation.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis-spiritual-will-and-testament.html

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There are many many unkind yet true things that could be said about the Pope Francis papacy; however what CANNOT be said is that he preached humility and poverty while embracing all of the luxurious trappings of his office. I also give him a huge amount of respect for performing his duties in the "fighting chair" so to speak right up until the moment he died.

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I agree and I'm sure this will not come off well. I agree this Pope preached love, kindness, and humility. He walked the walk so to speak

But, just MO, there's a hell of a lot more to being the actual leader of the Catholic Church than working soup kitchens, figuratively speaking

The Pope at times has to call a spade a spade, and be a little hard-nosed at times when the clergy get out line. And this is where he failed, IMO. As an administrator, so to speak. Oh, he'd get tough with a few Bishops that didn't play the progressive game. But he was vague, ambiguous, and lax on things like the German church, speaking and acting forcefully on McCarrick until later, and sending mixed messages (at best) on a host of issues

The criticism that he constantly had to explain his meaning, or have someone "clear things up" was not unfair criticism
IMO

Basically, nothing wrong with a pastoral approach, but there's more to it

Yes there is a lot to admire, and a lot to like about Francis. May he rest in peace, and may the college be guided to make a sound decision on our next leader

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He was an absolutely terrible Pope. Now that he has passed on it is fair game to critique him. With that being said, this close to his passing probably most charitable to discuss his good.

I often wish he had never been consecrated a Bishop, and had finished his ministry as Fr Jorge, children's hospital chaplain in Buenos Aires.

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I disagree.

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You're not alone

He was very polarizing, for sure

If there was one thing we all agreed on when it came to Pope Francis, it was to disagree

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If you haven't already read this it's worth reading. Bishop Barron's take on Francis and his implicit suggestions for the conclave.

https://firstthings.com/francis-in-full/

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PabloSerna said:

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However, I think Pope Francis would be ok with a lighter mood.

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BrazosBendHorn said:

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PabloSerna said:

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However, I think Pope Francis would be ok with a lighter mood.

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No doubt he would be rolling with laughter over this ...

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/114441543826801216

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nortex97 said:

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LOL, Saint Zelensky literally wore sneakers to this funeral/sit-down. They look like lifts, somehow.

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FTACo88-FDT24dad said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Furlock Bones said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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Quo Vadis? said:

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AtticusMatlock said:

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The Vatican has announced the cause of death was a stroke followed by irreversible cardiocirculatory collapse.

They have also published his requests for burial. A simple, in ground tomb in the Papal Basilica of Saint Mary Major, no unnecessary ornamentation.
https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis-spiritual-will-and-testament.html

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There are many many unkind yet true things that could be said about the Pope Francis papacy; however what CANNOT be said is that he preached humility and poverty while embracing all of the luxurious trappings of his office. I also give him a huge amount of respect for performing his duties in the "fighting chair" so to speak right up until the moment he died.

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I agree and I'm sure this will not come off well. I agree this Pope preached love, kindness, and humility. He walked the walk so to speak

But, just MO, there's a hell of a lot more to being the actual leader of the Catholic Church than working soup kitchens, figuratively speaking

The Pope at times has to call a spade a spade, and be a little hard-nosed at times when the clergy get out line. And this is where he failed, IMO. As an administrator, so to speak. Oh, he'd get tough with a few Bishops that didn't play the progressive game. But he was vague, ambiguous, and lax on things like the German church, speaking and acting forcefully on McCarrick until later, and sending mixed messages (at best) on a host of issues

The criticism that he constantly had to explain his meaning, or have someone "clear things up" was not unfair criticism
IMO

Basically, nothing wrong with a pastoral approach, but there's more to it

Yes there is a lot to admire, and a lot to like about Francis. May he rest in peace, and may the college be guided to make a sound decision on our next leader

---

He was an absolutely terrible Pope. Now that he has passed on it is fair game to critique him. With that being said, this close to his passing probably most charitable to discuss his good.

I often wish he had never been consecrated a Bishop, and had finished his ministry as Fr Jorge, children's hospital chaplain in Buenos Aires.

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I disagree.

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You're not alone

He was very polarizing, for sure

If there was one thing we all agreed on when it came to Pope Francis, it was to disagree

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If you haven't already read this it's worth reading. Bishop Barron's take on Francis and his implicit suggestions for the conclave.

https://firstthings.com/francis-in-full/

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