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L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time




A good example would be the conclave following the death of Pope Clement IV. It took 3 years because it became so political. It was a mess, and the Cardinals (maybe not all) were 100% following their own wants rather than listening to the holy spirit.
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Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.
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Ag13 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.
sorry to offend you. What I said was fair though
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Ag13 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.


This is when you remember that even Judas fell, and even Peter denied Christ 3 times. Pray for people to find their way back to the Church, and to have a reversion deep enough to appreciate the Church as a whole. "Growing up Catholic" doesn't necessarily mean what you may equate with growing up Catholic. For many, it may be attending church at Christmas and Easter, and maybe attending faith formation through first communion or confirmation. For me, it was mass every Sunday, faith formation from age 4-18 every Sunday, Daily mass when possible, family rosary every night, getting sprayed with holy water from a squirt gun before bed from my parents in the hallway, mass at every holy day of obligation (and even many that werent), stations of the cross every Wednesday and Friday during lent, spending holidays talking about the history of the Church with a bishop and monseignor, etc. We all have different definitions of what "Growing up Catholic" means.
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L7 WEENIE said:

Ag13 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.
sorry to offend you. What I said was fair though


No, it wasn't fair. It was an attempt at a cheap shot for reactions.
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histag10 said:

Ag13 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.


This is when you remember that even Judas fell, and even Peter denied Christ 3 times. Pray for people to find their way back to the Church, and to have a reversion deep enough to appreciate the Church as a whole. "Growing up Catholic" doesn't necessarily mean what you may equate with growing up Catholic. For many, it may be attending church at Christmas and Easter, and maybe attending faith formation through first communion or confirmation. For me, it was mass every Sunday, faith formation from age 4-18 every Sunday, Daily mass when possible, family rosary every night, getting sprayed with holy water from a squirt gun before bed from my parents in the hallway, mass at every holy day of obligation (and even many that werent), stations of the cross every Wednesday and Friday during lent, spending holidays talking about the history of the Church with a bishop and monseignor, etc. We all have different definitions of what "Growing up Catholic" means.
your childhood and mine were the same
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histag10 said:

Ag13 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.


This is when you remember that even Judas fell, and even Peter denied Christ 3 times. Pray for people to find their way back to the Church, and to have a reversion deep enough to appreciate the Church as a whole. "Growing up Catholic" doesn't necessarily mean what you may equate with growing up Catholic. For many, it may be attending church at Christmas and Easter, and maybe attending faith formation through first communion or confirmation. For me, it was mass every Sunday, faith formation from age 4-18 every Sunday, Daily mass when possible, family rosary every night, getting sprayed with holy water from a squirt gun before bed from my parents in the hallway, mass at every holy day of obligation (and even many that werent), stations of the cross every Wednesday and Friday during lent, spending holidays talking about the history of the Church with a bishop and monseignor, etc. We all have different definitions of what "Growing up Catholic" means.
No mention of Easter Vigil. You ain't Catholic.
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histag10 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

Ag13 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.
sorry to offend you. What I said was fair though


No, it wasn't fair. It was an attempt at a cheap shot for reactions.
only my first post on the thread and that wasn't even aimed at religion or Catholics. Jokes are ok
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Champion of Fireball said:

histag10 said:

Ag13 said:

Captain Pablo said:

Ag13 said:

L7 WEENIE said:

If you know about the history of the pope and who many of them were you would see that the idea of them being chosen by god is funny


Let me guess - you got your church history degree from Wikipedia? Did you catch the part about what St. Peter did prior to the crucifixion and then going on to become the first Pope? Not sure what's funny about God guiding the choosing of the successor of St. Peter through the Holy Spirit.


Pretty obvious he's referring to some of the rotten popes we've had

A better retort might have been God guides, the men choose. Sometimes the men don't listen and they screw it up

Pray they didn't this time


I do pray that we have the best Pope possible. And yes it's obvious he's referring to the fact that there have been some bad, even downright wicked Popes from the past. Still don't appreciate someone from the "I grew up Catholic" sect of the Church coming in with a drive-by insult of the Papacy and the Catholic Church at large on the day that we have a new Pope.


This is when you remember that even Judas fell, and even Peter denied Christ 3 times. Pray for people to find their way back to the Church, and to have a reversion deep enough to appreciate the Church as a whole. "Growing up Catholic" doesn't necessarily mean what you may equate with growing up Catholic. For many, it may be attending church at Christmas and Easter, and maybe attending faith formation through first communion or confirmation. For me, it was mass every Sunday, faith formation from age 4-18 every Sunday, Daily mass when possible, family rosary every night, getting sprayed with holy water from a squirt gun before bed from my parents in the hallway, mass at every holy day of obligation (and even many that werent), stations of the cross every Wednesday and Friday during lent, spending holidays talking about the history of the Church with a bishop and monseignor, etc. We all have different definitions of what "Growing up Catholic" means.
No mention of Easter Vigil. You ain't Catholic.


My husband is a convert. We have been to our fair share of Easter vigil masses lol.

Every priest I have ever know always makes a point yo say the Easter triduum is the most important weekend in our faith and to make a point to go to mass every day.

That and Sacred Heart Sunday (my mom pushes that one big time - it's her favorite Sunday of the year)
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I appreciate the Bulls reference as a kid playing on my Jordan Jammer in the living room.

I however fail to appreciate the fanfare that seems to come along with this coronation. Seems to be dangerously encroaching on the 1st Commandment. That would apply to any proclaimed follower of Christ.
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10andBOUNCE said:

I appreciate the Bulls reference as a kid playing on my Jordan Jammer in the living room.

I however fail to appreciate the fanfare that seems to come along with this coronation. Seems to be dangerously encroaching on the 1st Commandment. That would apply to any proclaimed follower of Christ.
not even close.
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Lmao
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10andBOUNCE said:

I appreciate the Bulls reference as a kid playing on my Jordan Jammer in the living room.

I however fail to appreciate the fanfare that seems to come along with this coronation. Seems to be dangerously encroaching on the 1st Commandment. That would apply to any proclaimed follower of Christ.
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I was born and raised Catholic. Went to Catholic School through 8th grade. Met my wife about 24 years ago, she was very anti Catholic, but I told her if we marry and have children they will be raised Catholic. She agreed but didn't practice any religion herself. As the only parent in the house who took the children to Church, our attendance suffered. About 3 years ago, she started to ask questions about the Church and Easter Vigil 2024 she was baptized and confirmed. Her interest and journey has re-energized me as a Catholic. Watching my kids excitement during this time of choose a new Pope has been so special. Having her, as someone new to the faith, getting to watch this play out has been inspiring to me as well. I was at the house for lunch today when the white smoke came and I was filled with hope, joy and happiness as we have a new leader of the Church that I am so happy to have rededicated myself to.
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He's a member of Generation Jones (those of us born 1954 to 1965). It's about time.
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TREX01 said:

I was born and raised Catholic. Went to Catholic School through 8th grade. Met my wife about 24 years ago, she was very anti Catholic, but I told her if we marry and have children they will be raised Catholic. She agreed but didn't practice any religion herself. As the only parent in the house who took the children to Church, our attendance suffered. About 3 years ago, she started to ask questions about the Church and Easter Vigil 2024 she was baptized and confirmed. Her interest and journey has re-energized me as a Catholic. Watching my kids excitement during this time of choose a new Pope has been so special. Having her, as someone new to the faith, getting to watch this play out has been inspiring to me as well. I was at the house for lunch today when the white smoke came and I was filled with hope, joy and happiness as we have a new leader of the Church that I am so happy to have rededicated myself to.

I have a question that isn't trolling. It's a big part of what caused me to separate from the church and I spent a lot of time on the topic. How do you explain to your daughter that she and all other women are excluded from decision making within the church?
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It's biblical. Any church who allows it is ignoring key parts of the Bible because of modern societal pressure (this happens a lot unfortunately nowadays). You can find any number of verses that support it.

Not a Catholic by the way, it's just one of the things I think they have right.
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Daddy-O5 said:

It's biblical. Any church who allows it is ignoring key parts of the Bible because of modern societal pressure (this happens a lot unfortunately nowadays). You can find any number of verses that support it.

Not a Catholic by the way, it's just one of the things I think they have right.


That's fair but there is A LOT in the Bible that people don't follow. The Old Testament is full of stuff that no Catholic/ Christian would consider being moral or good. Is there anything g in the New Testament about women not being leaders in the church?

I appreciate your response and not just getting mad at me.
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Two more questions:

1. If by decisions, do you mean administrative? Because there are more women now in those positions than before.

2. If by decisions, you mean ministerial- then there is a hierarchy and this all in service to the church. I believe women religious outnumber males. The priestly ministry is male only- but that is because Jesus was a male and there is no decisions to be made- just sacramental. Bishops however are male, again because the apostles were males, however, they have a large administrative staff with women in prominent roles.
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PabloSerna said:

Two more questions:

1. If by decisions, do you mean administrative? Because there are more women now in those positions than before.

2. If by decisions, you mean ministerial- then there is a hierarchy and this all in service to the church. I believe women religious outnumber males. The priestly ministry is male only- but that is because Jesus was a male and there is no decisions to be made- just sacramental. Bishops however are male, again because the apostles were males, however, they have a large administrative staff with women in prominent roles.
I am talking about being priests, bishops, cardinals, etc and the ministerial decisions/ leadership/ direction/ influence they provide for the church.
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1st Timothy 2 is a good start.
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Thanks
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First, the public revelation of the Kingdom of God, the good news, ended with the death of the last Apostle (this is what we teach).

Second, all baptized Catholics are priests, prophets, and kings. What that means is we ALL share in the mission of the church. This is what we refer to as the universal call to holiness. This dynamic is what the challenge has been for the church to live out since Vatican II. Prior to that, many of the faithful just attended mass and that was it. They left the mission to the clergy and vowed religious.

Third, the decisions you speak of are more of a way of spreading the message to the world. That is the challenge now in a world that does not believe in God or sees the scandal of the church and turns away. Worse, encounters a church that turns the truth of Christ into a prize instead of medicine for a world in need.

This Pope has already said we will "build bridges" and be a "mission church" at least twice in his opening remarks. I am hopeful for the future!
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I had never heard of Cardinal Prevost. I've read what I can this afternoon, and I'm cautiously optimistic.

Who knows how this is going to go, but I think if you're looking for another John Paul 2, you're gonna be disappointed.

I also think if you're looking for someone that will continue Francis' march toward social wokism and Marxism, you're gonna be disappointed. I hope he reigns the German church in, or acts firmly if he can't

I do think this pope will at least speak with clarity. We won't spend the next several years running to our little orphan Annie decoder rings every time the pope opens his mouth
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That is my feeling as well. With his choice of "Leo", I am hoping he is a defender of the faith and bringer of peace, much like Saint Pope Leo The Great.

His personal politics seem to push the liberal agenda (this is based purely on what Inhave seen in the past 24 hours from people digging through his twitter account), but when he has spoken in regards to the church, he has always defaulted to the traditionalist perspective.

He really did seemingly come out of nowhere. He has only been a cardinal for 2 years. I never thought I would see an American Pope jn my lifetime, but if I did, my money would have been on Burke or Dolan (though they are both firmly conservative).

Also- who would have thought that the USCCB would be so much more conservative than a good portion of the rest of the world.
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Will this Pope permit / encourage the Latin Tridentine traditional Mass ?
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There are rumors he privately celebrates the TLM, but who knows
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I think it's worth pointing out that the papacy has a very significant impact on whoever is handed the keys so whatever we think we can surmise about what kind of Pope Cardinal Prevost will be, it is much safer to assume that the office will effect Leo in ways that nobody, including him, can anticipate. The best we can hope for is a holy, orthodox man who is open to the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Everything else is just speculation based on assumptions that probably have less relevance than we think.
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TeddyAg0422 said:

There are rumors he privately celebrates the TLM, but who knows


"I consider myself a missionary. My vocation, like that of every Christian, is to be a missionary, to proclaim the Gospel wherever one is," Prevost said in an interview with Vatican News shortly after he moved into his leadership role in Rome

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If you have met men and women who are missionaries, they are not too focused on aspects (while important) are more about a state of spirituality than being on fire with the love of Jesus to preach the gospel.

The nature of being in mission is to go out into the world as opposed to retreating into a sacred space. It is simply a different emphasis of the mission.
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I think it's worth trying to understand what sort of religious formation Leo had. He is clearly a serious Augustinian. But he is also a canon lawyer, having a doctorate in canon law from the Angelicum in Rome. This means he is probably not prone to "off the cuff" remarks and interminable ambiguities.

I grabbed some screenshots from Magisterium AI that might be helpful to understand the sort of formation he had.




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