agent-maroon said:

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Would like to know what the DA was offering for a plea deal. KA deserved much more than he got, but I would like to know just how much regret he is going to have over not taking the deal.

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Yeah…this was about as clear cut of a case as you can get, any reasonable deal, they should have jumped at it.

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Mort Rainey said:

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FriscoKid said:

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Only 35

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Not true justice. But that's basically a wasted life. I'll take it over him walking out in fifteen years

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He'll walk in 17.5

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lol tell me you know nothing about parole for offenders of this kind in Texas.

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Yeah he will need to basically immediately start doing in prison education, jobs, staying completely out of trouble and seeking any counseling opportunities available and do that for 17 years straight for any shot at first opportunity imo. Gotta truly rehabilitate yourself. No faking.

HoustonAg2106 said:

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Mort Rainey said:

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FriscoKid said:

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Only 35

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Not true justice. But that's basically a wasted life. I'll take it over him walking out in fifteen years

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He'll walk in 17.5

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Not a chance unless Texas changes a lot during that time.

We have personally had to deal with a violent crime being committed on a family member and we were asked to approve any plea deal. We agreed when the prosecutors said that the defendant would accept 40+ years. First eligible parole date was more than 20 years and they said he would serve at least 35.

The family will get to give statements and they can include all of the fundraising, the statements made by family spokespersons, and trial testimony.

The parole board will read all of that.
Early release in Texas for a violent crime is not rubber stamped. Not even close.

The people on the parole board in 17.5 years are people that are in their 20's and 30's right now. They will remember this case and everything surrounding it.

What we dealt with didn't end in a loss of life and the prosecutors still said that the convicted was realistically going to at least 85% of his sentence. That was the best case scenario for him hoping for early release.

Would not be surprised if the plea deal was 30-35 years.

MelvinUdall said:

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agent-maroon said:

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Would like to know what the DA was offering for a plea deal. KA deserved much more than he got, but I would like to know just how much regret he is going to have over not taking the deal.

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Yeah…this was about as clear cut of a case as you can get, any reasonable deal, they should have jumped at it.

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I think (no real knowledge) this probably landed at or around where a deal might have been. Deal may or may not have offered parole.

Goes to trial hoping "for that one juror"

At his age when he murdered Austin Metcalf... He gets 2 years for each year of his age. I wanted more, but I get that number as a jury compromise

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evidently they are doing impact statements from the family now

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This is where the knife twists.

Is it usual for the jury to move on so quickly to sentencing? I would have thought they would have adjourned for the day and done sentencing tomorrow, but I guess the judge wanted to get everything wrapped up while everyone was there.

Probably especially so with a high profile case like this.

Stupe said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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Mort Rainey said:

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FriscoKid said:

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Only 35

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Not true justice. But that's basically a wasted life. I'll take it over him walking out in fifteen years

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He'll walk in 17.5

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Not a chance unless Texas changes a lot during that time.

We have personally had to deal with a violent crime being committed on a family member and we were asked to approve any plea deal. We agreed when the prosecutors said that the defendant would accept 40 years. First eligible parole date was more than 20 years and they said he would serve at least 35.

The family will get to give statements and they can include all of the fundraising, the statements made by family spokespersons, and trial testimony.

The parole board will read all of that.

Early release in Texas for a violent crime is not rubber stamped. Not even close.

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I'm sorry for your tragedy and pray you are correct. This pos got off easy.

Man, what a tough situation. Oh well, off to the gym

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Teslag said:

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https://www.youtube.com/live/iNnHJkIsVQE?si=QFQTEdKnie7twSdb

CourtTV stream. You can scroll back to see announcement. These people are ****ing loons.

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45:25 to be exact. These people are insane.

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Thank you for providing a time stamp!!

That complete crash out was BEAUTIFUL!!!

I'd say it is scary these people exist and even vote, but we already know there are idiots everywhere, CourtTV just chose to give them a microphone and a (small) platform.

I lmao when they begged the Metcalf supporters to leave once the verdict came out, saying 'they won, there is no point in them remaining here'. They're treating it like this is a sporting event, and there are sportsmanship rules at play. Nope. Your racism LOST today, everyone can be happy justice was done and he was found guilty.

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Is it usual for the jury to move on so quickly to sentencing? I would have thought they would have adjourned for the day and done sentencing tomorrow, but I guess the judge wanted to get everything wrapped up while everyone was there.

Probably especially so with a high profile case like this.

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Not unusual. They get right to it if there is enough day left as there was here

They are currently doing impact statements. The news just reported our friends statement.

For those thinking he will walk in 18 years, I seriously doubt it. He will get in with the gangs and probably commit crimes against whitey prisoners. I'll be shocked if he ever gets out.

The people thinking that are the ones that really have no clue how any of this works.

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The 18 year old kid earlier in the thread that killed another 18 year old at a party with a kick to the face got 30 as well. Was paroled at 28 with good behavior.

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It was 20 and paroled out at 18 years. I originally thought it was 10 and he was paroled after 8. The victim's family hounded the parole board it looks like to keep him in. Austin's parents will have to do the same. 33 of 35 wouldn't be justice in this case but better than nothing.

Wonder what the judge would have given him if the defense had not chosen the jury for sentencing?

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For those thinking he will walk in 18 years, I seriously doubt it. He will get in with the gangs and probably commit crimes against whitey prisoners. I'll be shocked if he ever gets out.

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That is 100% up to him. He has the chance to make good choices.

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Wonder what the judge would have given him if the defense had not chosen the jury for sentencing?

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More.

torrid said:

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Is it usual for the jury to move on so quickly to sentencing? I would have thought they would have adjourned for the day and done sentencing tomorrow, but I guess the judge wanted to get everything wrapped up while everyone was there.

Probably especially so with a high profile case like this.

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I know some people that were involved with the case (as in they were talking to the DA before trial started, but didn't need to testify) and their sense was that Collin Co was expediting the entire process and doing everything they could to prevent it from being a national spectacle. Which is why there were no cameras, quick jury selection, court on Saturday, etc.

They did a pretty good job in my estimation.

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Danny Vermin said:

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For those thinking he will walk in 18 years, I seriously doubt it. He will get in with the gangs and probably commit crimes against whitey prisoners. I'll be shocked if he ever gets out.

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That is 100% up to him. He has the chance to make good choices.

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Again, first up walk is almost never on agg or higher.

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The people thinking that are the ones that really have no clue how any of this works.

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He's losing the best years of his life, and I'm guessing he won't be treated well by the white aryans. However it goes, he's got a long, long time to learn he has to live with the consequences of his choices.

I pray he finds Jesus and is truly reformed.

35 years is the jury chickening out.

Should have gotten life in prison.

sad that austin metcalf's life is only worth 35 years

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annie88 said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Had to serve minimum half.

Probably have to be a choir boy to get first shot parole

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OK, yes sorry I caught up with everything. He'll still only be 36 by the time he gets out but he'll be a very different person. I really think he thought he was going to walk or get a very light sentence before the trial started. Once it started going the way it did. I hope he prepared himself.

Hopefully there won't be any riots.

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The tweets saying his heads down, shaking uncontrollably... The FO phase is not sitting well with him

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The fact that he clearly wasn't at all prepared for this is the most concerning part for me. I'm sure his attorneys tried to warn him and the family that the case against him was strong and prison time was almost assuredly inevitable. The fact that they refused to listen shows a level of disconnect that should concern everyone.

Tergdor said:

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torrid said:

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Is it usual for the jury to move on so quickly to sentencing? I would have thought they would have adjourned for the day and done sentencing tomorrow, but I guess the judge wanted to get everything wrapped up while everyone was there.

Probably especially so with a high profile case like this.

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I know some people that were involved with the case (as in they were talking to the DA before trial started, but didn't need to testify) and their sense was that Collin Co was expediting the entire process and doing everything they could to prevent it from being a national spectacle. Which is why there were no cameras, quick jury selection, court on Saturday, etc.

They did a pretty good job in my estimation.

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I agree with that.

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sad that austin metcalf's life is only worth 35 years

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Agree with this. Should have been at least double, if not life

Reginald Cousins said:

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Danny Vermin said:

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For those thinking he will walk in 18 years, I seriously doubt it. He will get in with the gangs and probably commit crimes against whitey prisoners. I'll be shocked if he ever gets out.

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That is 100% up to him. He has the chance to make good choices.

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Again, first up walk is almost never on agg or higher.

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English?

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Reginald Cousins said:

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ErnestEndeavor said:

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Danny Vermin said:

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For those thinking he will walk in 18 years, I seriously doubt it. He will get in with the gangs and probably commit crimes against whitey prisoners. I'll be shocked if he ever gets out.

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That is 100% up to him. He has the chance to make good choices.

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Again, first up walk is almost never on agg or higher.

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English?

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On aggravated assault, robbery, etc or higher including murder there's a snowballs chance in hell at first parole.

Not saying it doesn't happen. But it's just shy of unheard of.

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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annie88 said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Had to serve minimum half.

Probably have to be a choir boy to get first shot parole

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OK, yes sorry I caught up with everything. He'll still only be 36 by the time he gets out but he'll be a very different person. I really think he thought he was going to walk or get a very light sentence before the trial started. Once it started going the way it did. I hope he prepared himself.

Hopefully there won't be any riots.

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The tweets saying his heads down, shaking uncontrollably... The FO phase is not sitting well with him

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The fact that he clearly wasn't at all prepared for this is the most concerning part for me. I'm sure his attorneys tried to warn him and the family that the case against him was strong and prison time was almost assuredly inevitable. The fact that they refused to listen shows a level of disconnect that should concern everyone.

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Didn't he say right after stabbing that Metcalf would not die? I've worked with many spoiled children who in my opinion were so delusional that those they wanted to shoot would get out of the casket and things would settle down. And they would win the battle and go about their business. No reality.

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Reginald Cousins said:

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For those thinking he will walk in 18 years, I seriously doubt it. He will get in with the gangs and probably commit crimes against whitey prisoners. I'll be shocked if he ever gets out.

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That is 100% up to him. He has the chance to make good choices.

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Again, first up walk is almost never on agg or higher.

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English?

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First parole hearing is almost always denied on aggravated assault or higher, is how I read that.

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PathfinderGeneral said:

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It's half the sentence or 30 years whichever is less. So if they sentenced him to 80 years he would be eligible in 30.

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Jury instructions in Texas no longer include any notice of parole or early release for good behavior so most jurors are surprised to learn that the convicted may only serve 1/3rd to 1/2 of their sentence.

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This is kind of where I stand. I think they're saying he has to serve half but I have a weird feeling he'll be out in less.

Ahh, thanks

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lb3 said:

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It's half the sentence or 30 years whichever is less. So if they sentenced him to 80 years he would be eligible in 30.

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Jury instructions in Texas no longer include any notice of parole or early release for good behavior so most jurors are surprised to learn that the convicted may only serve 1/3rd to 1/2 of their sentence.

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This is kind of where I stand. I think they're saying he has to serve half but I have a weird feeling he'll be out in less.

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Murder and aggravated convictions aren't eligible for good behavior. So parole will be half the sentence.

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A Net Full of Jello said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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annie88 said:

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Kenneth_2003 said:

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Had to serve minimum half.

Probably have to be a choir boy to get first shot parole

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OK, yes sorry I caught up with everything. He'll still only be 36 by the time he gets out but he'll be a very different person. I really think he thought he was going to walk or get a very light sentence before the trial started. Once it started going the way it did. I hope he prepared himself.

Hopefully there won't be any riots.

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The tweets saying his heads down, shaking uncontrollably... The FO phase is not sitting well with him

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The fact that he clearly wasn't at all prepared for this is the most concerning part for me. I'm sure his attorneys tried to warn him and the family that the case against him was strong and prison time was almost assuredly inevitable. The fact that they refused to listen shows a level of disconnect that should concern everyone.

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Didn't he say right after stabbing that Metcalf would not die? I've worked with many spoiled children who in my opinion were so delusional that those they wanted to shoot would get out of the casket and things would settle down. And they would win the battle and go about their business. No reality.

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Life comes at you fast. He's fine the FA part. He gets a very long drawn out FO