The Justice Dept's role is to prosecute crimes; not make social media posts to satisfy every "true crimes" watching nut job.

If they didn't prosecute anyone related to the Maxwell case, you can forget about it. Whatever "real" evidence there was of people on the receiving end, is long gone, if it ever existed.

If the evidence isn't sufficient for prosecution, I don't even know why, legally, it is retained.

PBD has a pretty big platform.....

Aggie_Journalist said:

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With this DOJ, if Maxwell gets a deal, it will be a deal to point fingers at Trump enemies and insist Trump and his allies were never there.

Redact the victim names and make everything else public.

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Heh? That makes zero actual sense.

And screw redacting victims names. That is not how it works in the United States. If you are going to put someone on front street and accuse them of serious crimes, then you get to know and face your accuser. Whether the press chooses to redact the victims is up to them, but they should be known especially considering they are all now adults.

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PBD has a pretty big platform.....

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A great dude And a major Trump supporter. There are probably 10 independent podcasters like him and they are who got Trump elected in my opinion. They've turned on him just about 180 due to Epstein.

The 20-35 year old crowd who follows them also feel disenfranchised by the Epstein debacle.

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The Justice Dept's role is to prosecute crimes; not make social media posts to satisfy every "true crimes" watching nut job.

If they didn't prosecute anyone related to the Maxwell case, you can forget about it. Whatever "real" evidence there was of people on the receiving end, is long gone, if it ever existed.

If the evidence isn't sufficient for prosecution, I don't even know why, legally, it is retained.

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How are we supposed to know what the "files" consist of without seeing them? We know for a fact that they have collected more information that has not seen the light of day publicly. That is established fact. Whatever that is--again, minus the obviously illegal to disseminate CP-- should be made public, per the admin's promise to "release the files/names" during and after the election.

OR, if they don't do that, those who, for whatever reason, dabbled in this "conspiracy theory" should resign in disgrace either for leading the base on opportunistically or outright lying to them.

At this point, it's not about legality. If they were going to charge someone, both Rs and Ds have had their chance. That's clearly not going to happen. What we do know, however, and there are several people who have testified as much, is that EVERYONE KNEW ABOUT EPSTEIN. They knew who he was and what he was doing. And some people continued relations, personal or otherwise, with him. They may not be legally culpable of anything, but their continued associations ought to bring disgrace upon them publicly.

"Files" or accountability, that is the choice. Trump and co. put themselves in this situation and continue to stoke the flame by their absolute incompetence in how they are handling it in the media. I have no sympathy.

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Gonna go ahead and keep beating down this argument whenever it comes up, because now you guys are going in circles.

"Files" or accountability. It was promised. Deliver or leave in disgrace.

By debacle you mean you didn't get a data dump from the FBI within 6 months of Trump taking office when we have gigantic priorities and issues the new admin is focused on?

People are disenfranchised because they didn't get a Maury Povich episode on "who's on the Esptein list"?

If you voted for Trump simply because you want answers on Epstein then I'd prefer you just vote for Kamala. The support of those few crazies out there will not be missed.

Podcasters thrive on ongoing controversy. To be honest, Trump not releasing the files in total helps their business. They should be happy and thanking him.

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By debacle you mean you didn't get a data dump from the FBI within 6 months of Trump taking office when we have gigantic priorities and issues the new admin is focused on?

People are disenfranchised because they didn't get a Maury Povich episode on "who's on the Esptein list"?

If you voted for Trump simply because you want answers on Epstein then I'd prefer you just vote for Kamala. The support of those few crazies out there will not be missed.

Podcasters thrive on ongoing controversy. To be honest, Trump not releasing the files in total helps their business. They should be happy and thanking him.

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Let's try and not be that obtuse now buddy.

Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

Obtuse? How?

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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You should probably help Elon stand up his Cut Entitlements to $0 and Release All FBI Files party. I hear it's off to a great start.

All you can do is deflect and try to make it personal. It's not personal. I am only interested in justice.

How in the hell did I make it personal and deflect?

You think there is a voting block centered on nothing but Epstein files. I am telling you quite clearly that is wrong.

Has nothing to do with you personally, just pointing out poor logic. Do with it what you want.

To add: what justice are you seeking? What issue
Are you trying to make better? Ending human trafficking? Exposing arms deals from 40 years ago? Seeing the ring leaders in prison or dead?

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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flown-the-coop said:

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By debacle you mean you didn't get a data dump from the FBI within 6 months of Trump taking office when we have gigantic priorities and issues the new admin is focused on?

People are disenfranchised because they didn't get a Maury Povich episode on "who's on the Esptein list"?

If you voted for Trump simply because you want answers on Epstein then I'd prefer you just vote for Kamala. The support of those few crazies out there will not be missed.

Podcasters thrive on ongoing controversy. To be honest, Trump not releasing the files in total helps their business. They should be happy and thanking him.

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Let's try and not be that obtuse now buddy.

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How is he bring obtuse? How many people do you think voted for Trump mainly because they wanted to see the Epstein files?

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Justice Department officials are expected to interview Ghislaine Maxwell, the Jeffrey Epstein associate serving a 20-year federal prison sentence for sex trafficking, in Tallahassee, Fla., on Thursday, according two people with knowledge of the situation. Todd Blanche, the No. 2 official at the department who brokered the meeting, is in Florida, though it was not clear whether he would attend or conduct the interview, one of those people said. The interview is part of the department's effort to quell criticism that it is concealing details about Epstein's interactions with high-profile figures, including President Trump.

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Via Hot Air.

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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lol

flown-the-coop said:

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How in the hell did I make it personal and deflect?

You think there is a voting block centered on nothing but Epstein files. I am telling you quite clearly that is wrong.

Has nothing to do with you personally, just pointing out poor logic. Do with it what you want.

To add: what justice are you seeking? What issue are you trying to make better? Ending human trafficking? Exposing arms deals from 40 years ago? Seeing the ring leaders in prison or dead?

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Yes.

Evidently no one has questioned her. And she has offered to be questioned before.

How do they go through a trial and never talked to the accused? I assume maybe she refused and lawyered up, but it seems she wanted to say things and didn't.

If that was going to be the plan, why not let her scurry off to the yacht that was waiting for her and disappear?

I also don't think she gets offered anything. She only got 20 years and pardoning a pedo not named Hunter Biden is unpopular.

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 20 list of reason to vote for Trump.

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There is a cadre of people, as we see here, who literally see Epstein as the only issue that matters. It crosses the political spectrum, but it is really all about one thing, "getting" their political enemies. It is not nearly as big of a group as they appear to be, but they scream like a bunch of banshees and make a lot of noise on social media and posting their rant videos online.

The leftists want to see it take down Trump.

The right wants to see it take down Clinton, Gates, etc.

The Q-Anoners see this as their revival because remember the whole Q garbage started with the claim that Trump was fighting a cabal of Satanists pedophiles who controlled the world. This is why they're losing their **** right now worse than anyone else.

Some just want to see it all burn.

And others simply because Epstein was Jewish and they want to use him to bash Jews and Israel.

They said they have it. No reason not to release it unless there's something to hide.

Great. The leaders are dead and in prison.

If you care about human trafficking, then focusing on this is like passing out water bottles as the house burns.

May I suggest you take time to watch "Sound of Freedom" about abuse of children including the sex trafficking of children going on right now.

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Evidently no one has questioned her. And she has offered to be questioned before.

How do they go through a trial and never talked to the accused? I assume maybe she refused and lawyered up, but it seems she wanted to say things and didn't.

If that was going to be the plan, why not let her scurry off to the yacht that was waiting for her and disappear?

I also don't think she gets offered anything. She only got 20 years and pardoning a pedo not named Hunter Biden is unpopular.

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Wasn't Maurene Comey lead counsel on Maxwell's case? She sure as hell would not want Maxwell to talk for a plea deal.

I rarely agree with your takes, but you are on point with this. It's a total political football right now and laughable that people try and say "I just care about justice for the victims". Bull ****ing *****

Appears to have been Damian Williams per quick search.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/ghislaine-maxwell-sentenced-20-years-prison-conspiring-jeffrey-epstein-sexually-abuse

You gotta start somewhere, and where better to start than on a case that drew national attention from a political party and was not only commented upon, but an issue (regardless of personal importance) upon which that party ran and won the Presidency, House, and Senate? Seems like an excellent place to start to set the precedent that that **** will no longer be tolerated, no?

She was on the team.

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Comey prosecuted Sean "Diddy" Combs during his sex trafficking trial this year. She also played a role in the prosecution of the late financier Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender, and the prosecution and conviction of his co-conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell.

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LINK

I can assure you more people voted for Trump to end the human tragedy occurring due open borders than any kink desire to see who was involved with Epstein years ago.

And if you cared about justice and making a difference, you start with the biggest most immediate problem. Not the ones you see at the top of Reddit.

Yes, if she makes a plea deal then is caught in a lie, it invalidates the deal AND she can get hit with more charges.

The grand jury judge has already denied her access to their evidence to review. That would help her build a narrative consistent with it. This stuff happened 20-30 years ago. She's taking a big gamble in misremembering something critical and getting called on it. VERY risky.

That is indeed one way of going about it. Another would be to demand justice in a high-profile case as proof that you are indeed serious about the issue in a small, yes, but very tangible way that is still meaningful.

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I can assure you more people voted for Trump to end the human tragedy occurring due open borders than any kink desire to see who was involved with Epstein years ago.

And if you cared about justice and making a difference, you start with the biggest most immediate problem. Not the ones you see at the top of Reddit.

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I would wager than close to no one voted for Trump because of anything Epstein related.

I think Trump is doing a great job in his 1st 6 months.

Yes. But let's not overlook Harvard-Cambridge-Yale educated Damian Williams, a total Democrat plant married to the head of education for the Obama Foundation, Jennifer Wynn.

Damian also helped out SBF and Diddy as well.

https://www.jennifernwynn.com/about

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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That is indeed one way of going about it. Another would be to demand justice in a high-profile case as proof that you are indeed serious about the issue in a small, yes, but very tangible way that is still meaningful.

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I hope you realize how very little sense this makes. But it explains why you and others want to ignore the actual issue in favor of tabloid fodder.

I, and many others, would actually like to see the trafficking of humans, particularly children, be brought to a stop. You are welcome to support your approach though.

Also, keep in mind that the Trump DOJ were all outsiders to the Epstein conspiracy theory before Trump won and almost all of them were suspicious that there was a conspiracy. Then they all got to see the available evidence once put into their roles, and none of them have said their suspicions were confirmed. They might have plausibly discovered it was just Epstein and Maxwell all along. I'm pretty sure between that and seeing the actual horrible criminal evidence against Epstein, they have a distaste for the topic now.

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Okay, then, prepare to lose those votes in the midterm and beyond. If we cannot trust this administration to be straight with us about something so "trivial," there's no way in hell we can trust them with the truly important things. This goes for the Ds as well, since they also had their chance to release the information. But, then again, they never ran on a PROMISE to do so...

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Because they are doing the things that most people care about a lot more than the Epstein files? That's why I trust them. They are doing what matters most.

What were the main reasons that you voted for Trump? Border? Crime? Economic ideas? Not Kamala? I don't know anyone that had "he is going to release the Epstein files" on their top 10 list of reasons to vote for Trump.

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You still trust the government? How old are you?