DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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See clarification.

I read that non-violent allowed for "low-security" which I believe she was transferred from.

So special because of visibility, but not just because it related to Epstein and her having some special "influence".

The point being, and I think you understand this, is it's not a grand conspiracy regarding her movement to Bryan. There are rationale, reasonable reasons that don't involve the CIA, Jews or aliens.

Tyler Robertson is getting special treatment because of the high profile nature of the case and inmate. It's not indicative that there are nefarious things happening.
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"ineligible for low-security prison" please show me where that's a thing
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Decay said:

"ineligible for low-security prison" please show me where that's a thing


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ghislaine-maxwell-prison-emails-minimum-security-bryan-texas-rcna242218

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The BOP's policy indicates Maxwell should be ineligible for incarceration at a minimum-security prison camp because she is a convicted sex offender. Sex offenders must be in at least a low-security prison, as Maxwell was in Tallahassee, unless a waiver is granted by the administrator of the BOP's Designation and Sentence Computation Center.
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"Distraction" written on his forehead. Sorry, but I laughed….

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flown-the-coop said:

See clarification.

I read that non-violent allowed for "low-security" which I believe she was transferred from.

So special because of visibility, but not just because it related to Epstein and her having some special "influence".

The point being, and I think you understand this, is it's not a grand conspiracy regarding her movement to Bryan. There are rationale, reasonable reasons that don't involve the CIA, Jews or aliens.

Tyler Robertson is getting special treatment because of the high profile nature of the case and inmate. It's not indicative that there are nefarious things happening.


Could very well be no conspiracy at all but the past few years have shown that conspiracies are often found to be true. The timing of her meeting then transfer maybe just coincidence. Our AG showing up for a hearing that would involve this topic saying she has no idea why she was transferred? Well that is highly suspicious. She should have been easily to explain what happened. Her saying she has no idea. I just don't believe that.
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Conspiracy theories that Trump and friends did something nefarious have turned out to all be false. Add this to the list.

Conspiracy theories involving Dems and their ilk are the ones that turned out to be correct. The laptop was real, the Moscow pee tape was not. HTH.
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flown-the-coop said:

Conspiracy theories that Trump and friends did something nefarious have turned out to all be false. Add this to the list.

Conspiracy theories involving Dems and their ilk are the ones that turned out to be correct. The laptop was real, the Moscow pee tape was not. HTH.


I never thought Trump was directly involved. But the day he sat next to Pam Bondi and took the question directed at her and answered "why is everyone still talking about this dead guy" That followed by if you are still concerned about this issue you are a moron and I don't want your support. That was when it became clear to me that this was not an idiotic fumbling by the DOJ. This was an intentional effort to at the very minimum to protect some elites and or something involving links to intelligence.

He actually called the female house reps to the White House to try to get them not to vote with Massie on the release of the
files. Only after he could not convince one of them did he then flip and call for the release. He was intentionally trying to block them at that point and only flipped after there was no way of stopping the vote from passing in the house. That vote was only needed since Bondi stopped the release previously promised.

I have no idea what the real reasons are but include me in as one of the people he called a moron and he doesn't want my support.
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74OA said:

"Distraction" written on his forehead. Sorry, but I laughed….




Lmao
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The real reason Trump didn't want the Massie Bill was basically because it would force a massive amount of DOJ rank and file into redaction review for release for months. Time that could be spent running down Medicare/aid fraud scams, investigating Soror-link groups, and ANTIFA.

Which is exactly what happened. There's nothing there. Embarassing stuff, but nothing particularly evil or illegal outside of Epstein and Maxwell.
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A low level journalist from MSNOW is suing the Acting AG because she thinks, without evidence, the DOJ has not fully complied with the Massie-Khanna nonsense.

So, what is her standing to sue?
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As I posted earlier, apparently the DOJ IG has similar concerns or that office wouldn't have launched an audit. There may be plenty of standing once the report comes out.

"The Justice Department's chief watchdog said Thursday that his office is launching an audit of the department's compliance with the law compelling the release of millions of pages of investigative material tied to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The review will focus on how the Justice Department identified the more than 3 million documents it has made public since late last year, the guidelines used to determine what information to redact or hold back, and how officials have addressed concerns raised over the disclosures in the months since.

"If circumstances warrant, the OIG will consider addressing other issues that may arise during the course of the audit," the inspector general's office said in a statement. It said the office will issue a report at the end of its inquiry, summarizing its investigators' findings."

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Drahknor03 said:

The real reason Trump didn't want the Massie Bill was basically because it would force a massive amount of DOJ rank and file into redaction review for release for months. Time that could be spent running down Medicare/aid fraud scams, investigating Soror-link groups, and ANTIFA.

Which is exactly what happened. There's nothing there. Embarassing stuff, but nothing particularly evil or illegal outside of Epstein and Maxwell.


Uh huh, we should always trust Washington DC when they say "trust us theres nothing here". Not like Lutnick was caught in a bold faced lie about his relationship with Epstein or anything.
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74OA said:

As I posted earlier, apparently the DOJ IG has similar concerns or that office wouldn't have launched an audit. There may be plenty of standing once the report comes out.

"The Justice Department's chief watchdog said Thursday that his office is launching an audit of the department's compliance with the law compelling the release of millions of pages of investigative material tied to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The review will focus on how the Justice Department identified the more than 3 million documents it has made public since late last year, the guidelines used to determine what information to redact or hold back, and how officials have addressed concerns raised over the disclosures in the months since.

"If circumstances warrant, the OIG will consider addressing other issues that may arise during the course of the audit," the inspector general's office said in a statement. It said the office will issue a report at the end of its inquiry, summarizing its investigators' findings."

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The OIG is conducting the review at the request of a group of two "bipartisan" senators. Lil Dick Blumenthal and RINO Murkowski.

Not quite the bombshell the Epsteiners hope it is. Blanche has been in front of this already saying with no uncertainty they fully complied.

Nothing burger is nothing.
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Ok. I'll take a step back and qualify.

You've had these files at DOJ since at least 2008. So one of two things had to have occurred:

1)

A) There was nothing in there particularly useful to keep Trump from office in 2016. Instead, the DOJ and IC concocted a complex house of cards in a Russiagate investigation that had the potential of crashing down around them.

B) There was nothing in there particularly to nail Democrats on during the 2020 campaign when Trump was battling the COVID outbreak that he could have used as a cudgel to beat on Biden.

or

2) What's in there is so bad the entire world order would come crashing down around us and it's so secret that Sessions, or Barr, or Holder, or Lynch, or Bondi, or Blanch, or Mukasey have either never seen it or refuse to talk about it. If they've never seen it, it means a large swath of the DOJ rank and file have hidden it so well and have never leaked about it.

Personally, I think most of the government is incompetent and leaks like a sieve. Which is why I can't buy into theory 2.
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Drahknor03 said:

Ok. I'll take a step back and qualify.

You've had these files at DOJ since at least 2008. So one of two things had to have occurred:

1)

A) There was nothing in there particularly useful to keep Trump from office in 2016. Instead, the DOJ and IC concocted a complex house of cards in a Russiagate investigation that had the potential of crashing down around them.

B) There was nothing in there particularly to nail Democrats on during the 2020 campaign when Trump was battling the COVID outbreak that he could have used as a cudgel to beat on Biden.

or

2) What's in there is so bad the entire world order would come crashing down around us and it's so secret that Sessions, or Barr, or Holder, or Lynch, or Bondi, or Blanch, or Mukasey have either never seen it or refuse to talk about it. If they've never seen it, it means a large swath of the DOJ rank and file have hidden it so well and have never leaked about it.

Personally, I think most of the government is incompetent and leaks like a sieve. Which is why I can't buy into theory 2.


You think the government is incompetent, but think that we should also trust them when they say there's nothing there?

I agree the government is incompetent. How they handled this whole affair after promising transparency during the campaign is pathetic.
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flown-the-coop said:

74OA said:

As I posted earlier, apparently the DOJ IG has similar concerns or that office wouldn't have launched an audit. There may be plenty of standing once the report comes out.

"The Justice Department's chief watchdog said Thursday that his office is launching an audit of the department's compliance with the law compelling the release of millions of pages of investigative material tied to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The review will focus on how the Justice Department identified the more than 3 million documents it has made public since late last year, the guidelines used to determine what information to redact or hold back, and how officials have addressed concerns raised over the disclosures in the months since.

"If circumstances warrant, the OIG will consider addressing other issues that may arise during the course of the audit," the inspector general's office said in a statement. It said the office will issue a report at the end of its inquiry, summarizing its investigators' findings."

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The OIG is conducting the review at the request of a group of two "bipartisan" senators. Lil Dick Blumenthal and RINO Murkowski.

Not quite the bombshell the Epsteiners hope it is. Blanche has been in front of this already saying with no uncertainty they fully complied.

Nothing burger is nothing.


Well if guy who moved Maxell to club fed so she can play with puppies is telling us they fully complied, i can't think of any reason to doubt him.
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PaulsBunions said:

Drahknor03 said:

Ok. I'll take a step back and qualify.

You've had these files at DOJ since at least 2008. So one of two things had to have occurred:

1)

A) There was nothing in there particularly useful to keep Trump from office in 2016. Instead, the DOJ and IC concocted a complex house of cards in a Russiagate investigation that had the potential of crashing down around them.

B) There was nothing in there particularly to nail Democrats on during the 2020 campaign when Trump was battling the COVID outbreak that he could have used as a cudgel to beat on Biden.

or

2) What's in there is so bad the entire world order would come crashing down around us and it's so secret that Sessions, or Barr, or Holder, or Lynch, or Bondi, or Blanch, or Mukasey have either never seen it or refuse to talk about it. If they've never seen it, it means a large swath of the DOJ rank and file have hidden it so well and have never leaked about it.

Personally, I think most of the government is incompetent and leaks like a sieve. Which is why I can't buy into theory 2.


You think the government is incompetent, but think that we should also trust them when they say there's nothing there?

I agree the government is incompetent. How they handled this whole affair after promising transparency during the campaign is pathetic.


This infatuation with the Epstein/Maxwell perversions are going way beyond the rabid delusions about 9/11 tower 3.


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Drahknor03 said:

The real reason Trump didn't want the Massie Bill was basically because it would force a massive amount of DOJ rank and file into redaction review for release for months. Time that could be spent running down Medicare/aid fraud scams, investigating Soror-link groups, and ANTIFA.

Which is exactly what happened. There's nothing there. Embarassing stuff, but nothing particularly evil or illegal outside of Epstein and Maxwell.


For some reason people think because there is no complete evidence in files that there is nothing. No investigation has been done. No investigation by the DOJ but instead the First Lady says there are powerful people involved and called for victims to come testify to Congress. Well that is not how it's supposed to work. There still is a lot missing in the files. There is also a lot not to be included. Like the former Virgin Islands AG who investigated hundred plus accounts tracking payments etc that brought about the Chase case. The case resulted in payments supposedly to the victims.

Also funny watching the King here with Trump. His brother was just admonished by the King for his issues with this topic. But the DOJ told us there is NOTHING to investigate. Not even ONE person besides JE!

As far as fraud etc that big priority was killed mostly when Doge basically ended. The swamp continues to thrive.
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AgDev01 said:


Well if guy who moved Maxell to club fed so she can play with puppies is telling us they fully complied, i can't think of any reason to doubt him.

Neither can I.

Maxwell was already in a Club Fed. Its been discussed the very valid reasons for her transfer.

or you can not believe the acting AG because... Trump.

Makes sense. Carry on.
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bobbranco said:

PaulsBunions said:

Drahknor03 said:

Ok. I'll take a step back and qualify.

You've had these files at DOJ since at least 2008. So one of two things had to have occurred:

1)

A) There was nothing in there particularly useful to keep Trump from office in 2016. Instead, the DOJ and IC concocted a complex house of cards in a Russiagate investigation that had the potential of crashing down around them.

B) There was nothing in there particularly to nail Democrats on during the 2020 campaign when Trump was battling the COVID outbreak that he could have used as a cudgel to beat on Biden.

or

2) What's in there is so bad the entire world order would come crashing down around us and it's so secret that Sessions, or Barr, or Holder, or Lynch, or Bondi, or Blanch, or Mukasey have either never seen it or refuse to talk about it. If they've never seen it, it means a large swath of the DOJ rank and file have hidden it so well and have never leaked about it.

Personally, I think most of the government is incompetent and leaks like a sieve. Which is why I can't buy into theory 2.


You think the government is incompetent, but think that we should also trust them when they say there's nothing there?

I agree the government is incompetent. How they handled this whole affair after promising transparency during the campaign is pathetic.


This Epstein/Maxwell perversions are going way beyond the rabid delusions about 9/11 tower 3.





It is not delusional to say this DOJ fumbled the Epstein issue.
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It is delusional to think that 4 ideologically different DOJs covering nearly twenty years with axes to grind against the opposing party wouldn't have used the investigation against their enemies if there was something worthwhile to use.
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PaulsBunions said:

bobbranco said:

PaulsBunions said:

Drahknor03 said:

Ok. I'll take a step back and qualify.

You've had these files at DOJ since at least 2008. So one of two things had to have occurred:

1)

A) There was nothing in there particularly useful to keep Trump from office in 2016. Instead, the DOJ and IC concocted a complex house of cards in a Russiagate investigation that had the potential of crashing down around them.

B) There was nothing in there particularly to nail Democrats on during the 2020 campaign when Trump was battling the COVID outbreak that he could have used as a cudgel to beat on Biden.

or

2) What's in there is so bad the entire world order would come crashing down around us and it's so secret that Sessions, or Barr, or Holder, or Lynch, or Bondi, or Blanch, or Mukasey have either never seen it or refuse to talk about it. If they've never seen it, it means a large swath of the DOJ rank and file have hidden it so well and have never leaked about it.

Personally, I think most of the government is incompetent and leaks like a sieve. Which is why I can't buy into theory 2.


You think the government is incompetent, but think that we should also trust them when they say there's nothing there?

I agree the government is incompetent. How they handled this whole affair after promising transparency during the campaign is pathetic.


This Epstein/Maxwell perversions are going way beyond the rabid delusions about 9/11 tower 3.





It is not delusional to say this DOJ fumbled the Epstein issue.

Bush '43's and Obama's DOJ absolutely fumbled the Epstein issue. I will agree with that. Because that was when the miscarriages of justice occurred. Nothing Trump's DOJ during either term had any impact on the legal justice available to the victims.
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Drahknor03 said:

It is delusional to think that 4 ideologically different DOJs covering nearly twenty years with axes to grind against the opposing party wouldn't have used the investigation against their enemies if there was something worthwhile to use.


Unless of course you follow common sense and realize both parties had guilty people involved. Its amazing how people complain of a uniparty then act like its impossible that the uniparty would protect its own. Both sides want this to go away.

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Drahknor03 said:

It is delusional to think that 4 ideologically different DOJs covering nearly twenty years with axes to grind against the opposing party wouldn't have used the investigation against their enemies if there was something worthwhile to use.


If you haven't figured this out yet those people don't have axes to grind with each other lol
They only pretend to so we (their peasants) sling feces at each other instead of at them.

Obama would already be arrested for "treason" if they wanted to arrest each other.

It's one big club and we ain't in it.
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You don't think the dude they tried to put in jail for life for a bunch of bull**** (both with Russiagate and post-election stuff) wouldn't want to nuke the Obama and Biden DOJs from orbit if he could?
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Drahknor03 said:

You don't think the dude they tried to put in jail for life for a bunch of bull**** (both with Russiagate and post-election stuff) wouldn't want to nuke the Obama and Biden DOJs from orbit if he could?


I think he would if he could using anything other than Epstein. Problem for him is all his pals like Lutnick who would get hit. That's why he came out and defended a slimy scumbag like Slick Willy Clinton and his demon wife.

Also notice how Vance has mostly shut his trap about Epstein's involvement with foreign intelligence now that he's in a position to actually expose it. Hard to sell a war when your greatest ally's former PM is in the files more than anybody.
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For those of yall who forgot:

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Drahknor03 said:

It is delusional to think that 4 ideologically different DOJs covering nearly twenty years with axes to grind against the opposing party wouldn't have used the investigation against their enemies if there was something worthwhile to use.


Your mistake is thinking there are two different groups. Both parties, including Trump now, are protecting their rich donors. If you think Epstein and Maxwell trafficked hundreds of women to…each other? I'm not really sure what to tell you.
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and the one time Vance has been questioned about it recently he doubles down on it being an intelligence operation

Quote:

Number one, the guy was clearly a scumbag. Okay. Number two, he clearly had extraordinary connections both with intelligence services both inside the United States and outside the United States and also with a lot of very wealthy and powerful people. Okay.


I don't know why people keep asking why every administration has sat on this where the answer is right there.
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AgDev01 said:

and the one time Vance has been questioned about it recently he doubles down on it being an intelligence operation

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Number one, the guy was clearly a scumbag. Okay. Number two, he clearly had extraordinary connections both with intelligence services both inside the United States and outside the United States and also with a lot of very wealthy and powerful people. Okay.


I don't know why people keep asking why every administration has sat on this where the answer is right there.


Yeah its odd that he would say that then shutup about which intelligence services specifically were influencing our government using a child sex trafficker.
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AgDev01 said:

and the one time Vance has been questioned about it recently he doubles down on it being an intelligence operation

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Number one, the guy was clearly a scumbag. Okay. Number two, he clearly had extraordinary connections both with intelligence services both inside the United States and outside the United States and also with a lot of very wealthy and powerful people. Okay.


I don't know why people keep asking why every administration has sat on this where the answer is right there.


I think most normal people obviously believe the fiction that the Elite act out, produce, and show us on news/TV is how people in high society operate.

Rich people (and I mean truly rich, I don't mean someone with even $100 million dollars) as rich as Epstein, Clinton, Trump, Obama, etc literally operate in a different stratosphere than the middle class American can even fathom.

These people have exclusive clubs, exclusive friends, and exclusive ways of life. They run governments, media, and the world becuase they own it. I can empathize with people not really being able to imagine that these people are about as far as it gets from being "enemies". It's super hard to swallow for us normal folks. The most MAGA person in the world is more of an enemy to Donald Trump than anyone in Washington D.C or anyone rich and famous on the Liberal side of the aisle could ever be.
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We saw that when trump turned on MAGA. Completely abandoned the entire MAGA agenda.
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Queso1 said:

We saw that when trump turned on MAGA. Completely abandoned the entire MAGA agenda.


Yes sir, even if you try to convince yourself that Epstein is a nothing burger. The fact you have some silver spooned big city elite who laughs at normal people tell you that if you don't drop this you're an idiot and don't vote for me should tell you everything you need to know about all of them and what they think of us normal folks.
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It's not only the elites saying. It's also the former MAGA, now Trump acolytes, that berate people for talking about it.
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