Looks like they found a note on him saying he had CTE? Didn't Junior seau shoot himself in chest too ?

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Looks like they found a note on him saying he had CTE? Didn't Junior seau shoot himself in chest too ?

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With that detail and his football career, seems likely that he wanted to target the NFL, or at least make a statement about football.

Some international outlets reporting that the shooter's suicide note read:

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Terry Long football gave me CTE, and it caused me to drink a gallon of antifreeze. You can't go against the NFL; they'll squash you. Study my brain, please. I'm sorry. Tell Rick I'm sorry for everything,

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Terry Long was a former Steelers player who committed suicide by drinking antifreeze in 2005.

Antifreeze….What a miserable way to die.

Americans are so naive believing that our oceans will always protect us.

did not work well on 7 December 1941 and 11 September 2001

and does not work when we allow in millions of potential enemies who then have a dozen children

NYC shooter has killed himself after barricading in a high rise tower at 52nd and Park.

Two others have been arrested by NYPD, including one man’s wearing a Palestine shirt, screaming “Free Palestine”.

Multiple people have been injured, including a police officer. pic.twitter.com/5ne42BpTuO

— StopAntisemitism (@StopAntisemites) July 28, 2025

Had a friend I grew up with stab his wife, their daughter, and mother in law. Police said he had a severe case of CTE and just snapped. Played RB in the days of helmets with minimal padding and the hits took its toll.

I don't fully understand how CTE can cause someone to snap but it's not unheard of

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LMCane said:

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Americans are so naive believing that our oceans will always protect us.

did not work well on 7 December 1941 and 11 September 2001

and does not work when we allow in millions of potential enemies who then have a dozen children

NYC shooter has killed himself after barricading in a high rise tower at 52nd and Park.

Two others have been arrested by NYPD, including one man’s wearing a Palestine shirt, screaming “Free Palestine”.

Multiple people have been injured, including a police officer. pic.twitter.com/5ne42BpTuO

— StopAntisemitism (@StopAntisemites) July 28, 2025

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The two idiots arrested were not involved.

They were already in the area "protesting" when the shooting happened and interfered with the police response, probably to get arrested and get free media/social media attention.

This was a crazy person, not an Islamic terrorist attack.

I'm reading that the shooter played high school football only, not even college or juco or D3 football. And was 5'7 140 lbs in high school.

I guess this part of the story with the NFL isn't making sense to me yet.

Rapier108 said:

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LMCane said:

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Americans are so naive believing that our oceans will always protect us.

did not work well on 7 December 1941 and 11 September 2001

and does not work when we allow in millions of potential enemies who then have a dozen children

NYC shooter has killed himself after barricading in a high rise tower at 52nd and Park.

Two others have been arrested by NYPD, including one man’s wearing a Palestine shirt, screaming “Free Palestine”.

Multiple people have been injured, including a police officer. pic.twitter.com/5ne42BpTuO

— StopAntisemitism (@StopAntisemites) July 28, 2025

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The two idiots arrested were not involved.

They were already in the area "protesting" when the shooting happened and interfered with the police response, probably to get arrested and get free media/social media attention.

This was a crazy person, not an Islamic terrorist attack.

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And it is worth repeating that the officer killed in the line of duty was an immigrant from Bangladesh.

Shareen Williams- the Aggie NFl writer who participates on TexAgs - said the shooter was targeting the NFL offices but went up the wrong elevator bank. He did shoot an NFL employee some how. He shot himself in the chest because he wanted his brain tested for CTE. Blames the NFL but didn't play in the NFL. Just blames football generally.

I don't like the NFL either, but I wouldn't shoot anybody over it.

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Shareen Williams- the Aggie NFl writer who participates on TexAgs - said the shooter was targeting the NFL offices but went up the wrong elevator bank. He did shoot an NFL employee some how. He shot himself in the chest because he wanted his brain tested for CTE. Blames the NFL but didn't play in the NFL. Just blames football generally.

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Almost sounds like a wannabe copycat to the UHC shooter.

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I don't like the NFL either, but I wouldn't shoot anybody over it.

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You don't have CTE. Shooter might have had it.

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monarch said:

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I don't like the NFL either, but I wouldn't shoot anybody over it.

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You don't have CTE. Shooter might have had it.

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They will find out after the autopsy. What would shooting up the NFL office have to do with his claim? Is he blaming them?

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monarch said:

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I don't like the NFL either, but I wouldn't shoot anybody over it.

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You don't have CTE. Shooter might have had it.

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Yep...CTE is very real. Obviously, like most other things, there is a spectrum. Some people have very light cases, some have horrible cases.

A few months ago Mel Gibson was on Joe Rogan. Apparently he had serious CTE from playing rugby in his youth, but has made significant brain repair progress using some more cutting edge form of therapy...wish I could remember the details. I am hoping they continue to have breakthrough's and that the type of success Mel Gibson has had becomes the norm.

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deddog said:

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monarch said:

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I don't like the NFL either, but I wouldn't shoot anybody over it.

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You don't have CTE. Shooter might have had it.

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They will find out after the autopsy. What would shooting up the NFL office have to do with his claim? Is he blaming them?

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Don't expect someone with advanced CTE to be thinking completely logically. If this note is real, it kind of explains everything...

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Terry Long football gave me CTE, and it caused me to drink a gallon of antifreeze. You can't go against the NFL; they'll squash you. Study my brain, please. I'm sorry. Tell Rick I'm sorry for everything.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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deddog said:

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monarch said:

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I don't like the NFL either, but I wouldn't shoot anybody over it.

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You don't have CTE. Shooter might have had it.

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They will find out after the autopsy. What would shooting up the NFL office have to do with his claim? Is he blaming them?

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Don't expect someone with advanced CTE to be thinking completely logically. If this note is real, it kind of explains everything...

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Terry Long football gave me CTE, and it caused me to drink a gallon of antifreeze. You can't go against the NFL; they'll squash you. Study my brain, please. I'm sorry. Tell Rick I'm sorry for everything.

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He may have had other issues as well. CTE is more known for depression etc. I don't think you'd be alive if you drank a gallon of antifreeze. Hell, the antifreeze could have caused those issues. Who knows?

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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nu awlins ag said:

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deddog said:

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monarch said:

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I don't like the NFL either, but I wouldn't shoot anybody over it.

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You don't have CTE. Shooter might have had it.

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They will find out after the autopsy. What would shooting up the NFL office have to do with his claim? Is he blaming them?

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Don't expect someone with advanced CTE to be thinking completely logically. If this note is real, it kind of explains everything...

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Terry Long football gave me CTE, and it caused me to drink a gallon of antifreeze. You can't go against the NFL; they'll squash you. Study my brain, please. I'm sorry. Tell Rick I'm sorry for everything.

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He may have had other issues as well. CTE is more known for depression etc. I don't think you'd be alive if you drank a gallon of antifreeze. Hell, the antifreeze could have caused those issues. Who knows?

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Terry Long is a former NFL player (Steelers I think?) who killed himself by drinking a full gallon of antifreeze. The shooter was clearly off his rocker, whether CTW or a psychotic break, but he seems to have clearly had an axe to grind with the NFL. Again, assuming there is any validity to that letter.

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They removed all posts related to the Arkansas murder because it doesn't tie into the OP's specific topic.

Ok. It read like it was from the shooter addressing Terry Long.

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Have done a lot of work with Blackstone and some of their subsidiaries in that building and even spent time on that floor. Really sad news.

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Blackstone executive is one of the five deceased.

Crazy times. Wonder if this shooter was inspired by the United Health Care executive assassin.

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https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/who-is-wesley-lepatner-blackstone-executive-nyc-shooting-5e08d511?mod=hp_lead_pos8

The shooter who killed four people on Monday evening at a Midtown Manhattan office building left a suicide note in which he appeared to be targeting the National Football League at its headquarters.

The suicide note suggested he believed he had chronic traumatic encephalopathy, a brain disease associated with head injuries, New York City Mayor Eric Adams said Tuesday. The shooter, who has a history of mental illness, blamed the NFL for his condition, Adams said.

NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch said the gunman was 27-year-old Shane Tamura from Las Vegas. He carried an M4 rifle, she said.

Among the four slain victims were an executive from financial firm Blackstone and a New York City police officer.
The gunman shot a fifth person, an NFL employee who was in critical condition, before turning the gun on himself.

The office tower where the shooting unfolded is an iconic New York address, 345 Park Avenue, in the heart of the city. The area is packed with workers from the worlds of high finance, law and accounting. Blackstone, a buyout firm that has been a Wall Street power player for decades, is among the building's major tenants. The National Football League and accounting firm KPMG also have offices there.

Tamura, who the police said has a documented history of mental illness, arrived in New York City on Monday afternoon after driving his black BMW across the country, passing through Colorado on Saturday and Nebraska and Iowa on Sunday. He double-parked on Park Avenue during the evening rush, around 6:30 p.m., got out with the rifle in his right hand and started shooting as soon as he was inside the building lobby, the police said.

Tamura first shot and killed NYPD Officer Didarul Islam, 36, an immigrant from Bangladesh who is a married father of two children, Tisch said. The officer's wife is pregnant with their third child.

Tamura sprayed the lobby with gunfire, shooting a woman taking cover behind a pillar and a security guard hiding behind a desk, according to the police.

The gunman then rode the elevator up to the 33rd-floor office of real-estate management firm Rudin Management, where he killed another person before shooting himself in the chest. The Rudin family, one of New York's real estate dynasties, owns the building.

The shooter appeared to have been headed to the NFL offices but went to the wrong elevator bank and ended up on the floor of Rudin Management by mistake, Adams said in his interview.

The shooting happened five blocks from where UnitedHealthcare executive Brian Thompson was shot dead late last year, with Luigi Mangione charged with murder.

One of the people injured Monday was an NFL employee, according to a letter commissioner Roger Goodell sent to league staff. Goodell wrote that the employee was seriously injured and at a hospital in a stable
condition. Goodell also directed the league's New York-based employees to work remotely Tuesday, adding that it is understandable if they prefer to take the day off.

Inside Tamura's car, police found a rifle case with rounds, a loaded revolver, ammunition and magazines, and medication prescribed to Tamura.

Tamura faced a misdemeanor trespassing charge in Nevada in 2023, court documents showed, and once held a private investigator's license.

NYC Shooting: Four Killed; Gunman Shane Tamura Targeted NFL in Midtown Shooting Spree - WSJ

El Gallo Blanco said:

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Don't expect someone with advanced CTE to be thinking completely logically. If this note is real, it kind of explains everything...

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As a neurologist, I certainly agree that repetitive head trauma can lead to changes in mood and behavior, motor abnormalities, and dementia.

And of course, some people with dementia (Alzheimer's, etc.) can become agitated and violent.

But a person who is totally out of his gourd demented doesn't travel across the country to a specific building in NYC, shoot the security guard in the lobby first, and then try to make his way to a selected target. That shows sophisticated planning, with CTE as the convenient scapegoat ("the devil made me do it") for something he wanted to do.

Maybe CTE lowers inhibition to resist violent urges, but I find it extremely unlikely that CTE would make someone legally not culpable for an act like this. Since he unalived himself, I guess we won't find out.

Bingo and thank you for the professional opinion.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Don't expect someone with advanced CTE to be thinking completely logically. If this note is real, it kind of explains everything...

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As a neurologist, I certainly agree that repetitive head trauma can lead to changes in mood and behavior, motor abnormalities, and dementia.

And of course, some people with dementia (Alzheimer's, etc.) can become agitated and violent.

But a person who is totally out of his gourd demented doesn't travel across the country to a specific building in NYC, shoot the security guard in the lobby first, and then try to make his way to a selected target. That shows sophisticated planning, with CTE as the convenient scapegoat ("the devil made me do it") for something he wanted to do.

Maybe CTE lowers inhibition to resist violent urges, but I find it extremely unlikely that CTE would make someone legally not culpable for an act like this. Since he unalived himself, I guess we won't find out.

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Can you admit that the NFL player comitting suicide by drinking a gallon of antifreeze...and Junior Seau shooting himself in the heart, so that they could study his brain...were pretty extreme actions that fall outside of just changes in mood?

Sorry, no offense, but I don't blindly trust doctors to know everything about anything anymore. We have the whole Covid embarrassment...and also, it's 2025 and they still think red meat and eggs are bad for you. The "experts" in modern medicine are stil figuring out very basic things and even flip flopping.

I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron Hernandez was a victim of CTE. It doesn't excuse his actions or remove all liability. i think crazy people shouldstill have to pay for heinous things they have done. Whether drugs, mental disorders, or a bunch of concussions, scrambled their brains.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Don't expect someone with advanced CTE to be thinking completely logically. If this note is real, it kind of explains everything...

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As a neurologist, I certainly agree that repetitive head trauma can lead to changes in mood and behavior, motor abnormalities, and dementia.

And of course, some people with dementia (Alzheimer's, etc.) can become agitated and violent.

But a person who is totally out of his gourd demented doesn't travel across the country to a specific building in NYC, shoot the security guard in the lobby first, and then try to make his way to a selected target. That shows sophisticated planning, with CTE as the convenient scapegoat ("the devil made me do it") for something he wanted to do.

Maybe CTE lowers inhibition to resist violent urges, but I find it extremely unlikely that CTE would make someone legally not culpable for an act like this. Since he unalived himself, I guess we won't find out.

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Can you admit that the NFL player comitting suicide by drinking a gallon of antifreeze...and Junior Seau shooting himself in the heart, so that they could study his brain...were pretty extreme actions that fall outside of just changes in mood?

Sorry, no offense, but I don't blindly trust doctors to know everything about anything anymore. We have the whole Covid embarrassment...and also, it's 2025 and they still think red meat and eggs are bad for you. The "experts" in modern medicine are stil figuring out very basic things and even flip flopping.

I wouldn't be surprised if Aaron Hernandez was a victim of CTE. It doesn't excuse his actions or remove all liability. i think crazy people shouldstill have to pay for heinous things they have done. Whether drugs, mental disorders, or a bunch of concussions, scrambled their brains.

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Two people you cite? Two? Ever heard of a bell curve? Slow down before making these accusations. Two people and this current cat we have no clue, but from what the professional said, this would fit the term of an anomaly.

Hearing rumbles in the NYPD circle, that mayor hopeful Mamdani wants to dismantle the SRG unit.

It's Christmas in July. New York, please elect this guy. I want to see NYC burn to the ground.

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Two people you cite? Two? Ever heard of a bell curve? Slow down before making these accusations. Two people and this current cat we have no clue, but from what the professional said, this would fit the term of an anomaly.

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To be fair, there have been multiple suicides among former NFL players, some of which have included violence to others (look up Jim Tyrer).

Suicide is usually an impulsive act and a mildly demented person is often capable of shooting/hanging themselves, jumping off a bridge, etc. Robin Williams was one such sad example.

My concern here is that making your way to NFL headquarters to try to shoot the place up shows a lot of what we call executive function, and I'm not familiar with any neurologic disease that would cause violent homicidal rage while leaving the ability to plan and reason quite intact. The tendency is to see a correlation between CTE and a certain act, and presume that correlation equals causation.

I think that is a dangerous slippery slope to go down. Are we going to say that CTE caused OJ to hack up Ron and Nicole, for example?

My guess (which is all it well ever be unless this guy left behind a manifesto or something) is that this dude's life post football didn't turn out the way he wanted. Maybe that was because CTE caused problems with attention and concentration and he couldn't hold down a job. Or maybe he went to college to play football, not play school, and found himself out of football without anything to fall back on. Who knows? Anyway, I think his failures in life made him really mad and he decided to go on a rampage.

I generally agree. I think CTE was an affliction he assigned himself (I know some posts earlier in the thread indicated he played football after high school but I think those were not accurate) and became hyper-fixated on the NFL as his personal perpetrator.

El Gallo Blanco said:

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A few months ago Mel Gibson was on Joe Rogan. Apparently he had serious CTE from playing rugby in his youth, but has made significant brain repair progress using some more cutting edge form of therapy...wish I could remember the details.

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I thought CTE could only be diagnosed after death. Has that science changed?

Thinking the reason behind his actions can be found in the medication he left in his car. CTE might have contributed to the crazy, but the underlying cause was likely some other mental illness.

I agree that CTE exists. I sustained 4-5 concussions back in my day, mid 80's, so maybe I could have it. As you mentioned, his life didn't pan out the way he wanted it to, so this is an excuse for his actions. Now if there were hundreds of documented cases of former players acting like this, then you could directly say there could be a serious case. Junior Seau had it, but at the time of his death, he had gone through a messy divorce and lost a lot. There were contributing factors that lead to his suicide.