Protests Erupt across Iran

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In reply to txwxman • 10:42a, 2/24/26
txwxman said:
Take it to the J6 thread. Folks are here for Iran discussion.

Iran discussion of protests necessarily involves the coverage and slant.


Amanpour was raised in Tehran, works for CNN even now, and is a regime apologist today as they murder the protesters. It's highly pertinent.
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In reply to Gaeilge • 10:46a, 2/24/26
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Quote:
IRAN STRIKE RISKS SPLIT TRUMP'S INNER CIRCLE

Top U.S. general Dan Caine is warning Donald Trump that striking Iran could trigger a prolonged, costly conflict with unclear outcomes.

Senior officials are divided: some push for caution and diplomacy, while others favor military action. Envoys Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff urge more time for talks, while voices like Lindsey Graham back a strike.

Trump is said to be leaning toward action but has allowed negotiations to continue for now.


I saw Tom Cotton on Fox talking about some of this. I like the buildup because it sends a signal whether you use them or not. And now I think we should really increase the pressure - Trump should ask Congress to declare war. It's Constitutional, and whether or not Congress acts it definitely sends a signal. Plus, the usual concern that a public debate will tell the enemy too much is already blown - they know exactly what we are doing.
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In reply to 74OA • 10:47a, 2/24/26
74OA said:
Are the Iranians starting to bend?

"While the two sides remain generally at loggerheads, Iranian officials are now openly talking about possible concessions on their nuclear program in return for sanctions relief and the right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes."

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Pretty sure that's a non-starter.
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10:49a, 2/24/26
Does anyone really believe the Iranians are going ro give up on nukes? Seriously this is science fiction space 3000 stuff
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10:53a, 2/24/26
Regime change is mandatory
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10:57a, 2/24/26
I think Trump lays a foundation for Iran in his SOTU, the talks conclude Thurs with no movement, and bombs fly shortly after.....
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11:02a, 2/24/26
definitely nothing to worry about here...

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In reply to LMCane • 11:12a, 2/24/26
LMCane said:
definitely nothing to worry about here...


They already had Chinese Silkworm missiles at some point in the past deployed around the strait of Hormuz. Assume this is just getting their order in ahead of Israel and the US destroying the ones they have.
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In reply to LMCane • 12:26p, 2/24/26
When we attack Iran, it's going to be a completely lopsided ass whooping.

Iran is weak, they are NOT what they like to brag they are militarily.

Remember "The Mother of all Wars" with Sadam?

This won't be much different. And we took out a crap load of their offensive weapons and defensive capabilities last summer.

This will be jaw droppingly uneventful for us.

Russia and China are not even close to being in our ballpark when it comes to military capability and technology.

Iran is throwing rocks.

Watch.
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1:13p, 2/24/26
F-22's went to Nevatim it looks like. This is surprising as I don't think they've done this before. Could just be a staging area.

F-22's are basically good for one thing; knocking other jets out of the sky. Iran doesn't have any real air power left to deploy to threaten Israel imho.

The Raptors have some limited utility knocking missiles down but the Israeli's have a multi-layer defense system of their own that wouldn't integrate with these. Plausibly, the -22's might also be there to help escort IDF aircraft in attack waves, but again I'd think the Iranian Air Force is once again going to be functionally useless throughout.
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1:29p, 2/24/26
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In reply to nortex97 • 1:36p, 2/24/26
agreed it is strange to have Raptors when the Israeli Air Force achieved total air superiority over all of Iran in two days WITHOUT F-22

but maybe they want them to guard the B-2 strikes
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In reply to LMCane • 1:45p, 2/24/26
Could be, first three or so hours will be critical. Less refueling concerns/needs with that placement and no restrictions from Israel about where they are allowed to go etc. vs. UK, and limited apron slots in Crete/Jordan etc. at this point.

I think B-52's will be used early for stand off launches; they will get some heavy escort protection (high and low), if so.
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In reply to 4 • 2:00p, 2/24/26
4 said:
When we attack Iran, it's going to be a completely lopsided ass whooping.

Iran is weak, they are NOT what they like to brag they are militarily.

Remember "The Mother of all Wars" with Sadam?

This won't be much different. And we took out a crap load of their offensive weapons and defensive capabilities last summer.

This will be jaw droppingly uneventful for us.

Russia and China are not even close to being in our ballpark when it comes to military capability and technology.

Iran is throwing rocks.

Watch.


If this was more than a regime change, it would be even easier. Would be over in about 5 minutes. All you have to do is take out their oil refineries sitting wide open on the coast and it's all over but the internal rioting and anarchy. However, that would also hurt genpop which we clearly are wanting to avoid.
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2:01p, 2/24/26
Iran has received some new planes from Russia, possibly including Su-35s. Not a huge threat to the F-22 or the F-35 but formidable enough hardware to take on F-16 and F-18. Pilot skill would be a huge disadvantage for Iran but if they managed to acquire some long-range Russian or Chinese air-to-air missiles they could be a threat.

The relative success of the long range Chinese air-to-air missiles against the Indian Mirage Fighters a few months ago is something to consider. Also to be considered as that Pakistan had some Chinese anti-air equipment that was completely useless against the Indian long-range cruise missiles.
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In reply to LMCane • 2:03p, 2/24/26
LMCane said:
agreed it is strange to have Raptors when the Israeli Air Force achieved total air superiority over all of Iran in two days WITHOUT F-22

but maybe they want them to guard the B-2 strikes

They are also very effective against drones, which would be my guess as to why they are there.
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In reply to 4 • 2:07p, 2/24/26
The big threat from Iran is their short-range ballistic missiles and control of proxy forces abroad. They did not use up very many of their SRBMs last summer because they were too short range to hit Israel. Most of our military bases within the Middle East however are very much within the range of the Iranian missile fleet which may not be the most technically advanced in the world but they have a ton of them. Saturation attacks are highly likely. Their attack on the US base over the summer only consisted of 12 missiles but at least one got through and destroyed a radome.

The SRBMs are also a lot easier to hide on trucks, more mobile, and the launch prep is much shorter. Israel was able to take out a ton of the long range missiles before they even launched due to the amount of time it took to roll them out. Their short-range stuff operates differently.
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In reply to ErnestEndeavor • 2:21p, 2/24/26
No, they may have a handful of Mig-29's but no Su-35's. The training and logistics/support infrastructure for them to employ -35's effectively (if even possible) vs. a significant US/Israeli strike simply hasn't happened. We'd have commercial images and propaganda alike if they'd gotten any.
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In reply to nortex97 • 2:22p, 2/24/26
nortex97 said:
F-22's went to Nevatim it looks like. This is surprising as I don't think they've done this before. Could just be a staging area.

F-22's are basically good for one thing; knocking other jets out of the sky. Iran doesn't have any real air power left to deploy to threaten Israel imho.

The Raptors have some limited utility knocking missiles down but the Israeli's have a multi-layer defense system of their own that wouldn't integrate with these. Plausibly, the -22's might also be there to help escort IDF aircraft in attack waves, but again I'd think the Iranian Air Force is once again going to be functionally useless throughout.


F-22's drop bombs as well. Stealth, fast and high means they can fling bombs pretty far.
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In reply to The Sun • 2:27p, 2/24/26
The Sun said:
74OA said:
Are the Iranians starting to bend?

"While the two sides remain generally at loggerheads, Iranian officials are now openly talking about possible concessions on their nuclear program in return for sanctions relief and the right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes."

UPDATE


Pretty sure that's a non-starter.

Why a nation sitting on that much oil needs to "enrich uranium for peaceful purposes" is a fugging joke.
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In reply to LMCane • 2:32p, 2/24/26
LMCane said:
agreed it is strange to have Raptors when the Israeli Air Force achieved total air superiority over all of Iran in two days WITHOUT F-22

but maybe they want them to guard the B-2 strikes

I think it would be EXTREMELY unlikely, but could the fighters be there as a contingency in the even that another power decides to come to the aid of Iran? I mean if you are planning for anything possible, something like that is possible no matter how improbable.
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In reply to GAC06 • 2:58p, 2/24/26
They can and have slung SDB's before sure, but that's another element of logistics that would seem implausible to me from Nevatim for F-22's (and I doubt we'd be taking from Israeli stocks).

I dunno, I have no real sources at all, needless to say.
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In reply to nortex97 • 3:19p, 2/24/26
This one says Ovda but it doesn't seem to matter much which exact base in Israel. If we actually go after Iran, we're going to expend a ton of stuff. I don't see SDB's or 1000lb JDAM being a sticking point

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4:45p, 2/24/26
Schumer after the gang of 8 confidential briefing today by Rubio and the CIA director.

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In reply to 4 • 10:24p, 2/24/26
4 said:
When we attack Iran, it's going to be a completely lopsided ass whooping.

Iran is weak, they are NOT what they like to brag they are militarily.

Remember "The Mother of all Wars" with Sadam?

This won't be much different. And we took out a crap load of their offensive weapons and defensive capabilities last summer.

This will be jaw droppingly uneventful for us.

Russia and China are not even close to being in our ballpark when it comes to military capability and technology.

Iran is throwing rocks.

Watch.

Our defense contractors have spend the past 60 years building aircraft to defeat every capability our near peer adversaries have claimed.

We're learning they're nowhere near what they've claimed... but our overmatch is amazing to see.
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In reply to Naveronski • 10:59p, 2/24/26
Naveronski said:
4 said:
When we attack Iran, it's going to be a completely lopsided ass whooping.

Iran is weak, they are NOT what they like to brag they are militarily.

Remember "The Mother of all Wars" with Sadam?

This won't be much different. And we took out a crap load of their offensive weapons and defensive capabilities last summer.

This will be jaw droppingly uneventful for us.

Russia and China are not even close to being in our ballpark when it comes to military capability and technology.

Iran is throwing rocks.

Watch.

Our defense contractors have spend the past 60 years building aircraft to defeat every capability our near peer adversaries have claimed.

We're learning they're nowhere near what they've claimed... but our overmatch is amazing to see.

I want us to continue to develop to destroy their CLAIMED capabilities...

Soon, we'll be 3 generations of capability better than them....
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11:47a, 2/25/26
Unsurprisingly, things are getting more complicated the closer we get to war.

"There have been concerns, at the highest levels, that, should the United States become involved in a conflict with Iran, the U.S. military could rapidly burn through its stockpiles of certain key weapons. Reportedly, Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has warned Trump that such a campaign could have a severe impact on the U.S. stockpile of anti-missile interceptors, including the Patriot, THAAD, and ship-launched missiles such as the Standard series."

UPDATE
CASUALTIES
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2:50p, 2/25/26
Indian Female member of the UK Parliament

understands the national security interests of the USA better than all on the left and some on the right!!



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In reply to 74OA • 3:01p, 2/25/26
74OA said:
Unsurprisingly, things are getting more complicated the closer we get to war.

"There have been concerns, at the highest levels, that, should the United States become involved in a conflict with Iran, the U.S. military could rapidly burn through its stockpiles of certain key weapons. Reportedly, Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has warned Trump that such a campaign could have a severe impact on the U.S. stockpile of anti-missile interceptors, including the Patriot, THAAD, and ship-launched missiles such as the Standard series."

UPDATE
CASUALTIES

Then we need to build more.

We have them for a reason. Not using them in a circumstance that is literally the definition of why we built and bought them would be silly.

The defense industry may be hiring a lot of new people soon. So bonus...
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In reply to 4 • 3:15p, 2/25/26
4 said:
74OA said:
Unsurprisingly, things are getting more complicated the closer we get to war.

"There have been concerns, at the highest levels, that, should the United States become involved in a conflict with Iran, the U.S. military could rapidly burn through its stockpiles of certain key weapons. Reportedly, Gen. Dan Caine, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has warned Trump that such a campaign could have a severe impact on the U.S. stockpile of anti-missile interceptors, including the Patriot, THAAD, and ship-launched missiles such as the Standard series."

UPDATE
CASUALTIES

Then we need to build more.

We have them for a reason. Not using them in a circumstance that is literally the definition of why we built and bought them would be silly.

The defense industry may be hiring a lot of new people soon. So bonus...

This is not encouraging. Replace Iran with China and we would be up a creek if the war lasted more than 2 weeks. We need to stockpile more weapons and fast.
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3:25p, 2/25/26
I'm skeptical of any public statement regarding our arms stockpile. My hunch is that information is a closely held secret.
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In reply to JB!98 • 3:26p, 2/25/26
We definitely need to build and stockpile more weapons.

But if I had to bet, I would also bet that we have weapons nobody has seen yet and we don't want to reveal until we have to. Concentrated energy type of stuff.

And I'd be willing to bet they are out of the r&d stage and operational.

Stuff that makes Patriot missiles obsolete.
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In reply to 4 • 3:29p, 2/25/26
My future SIL just got offered a job at Lockheed.
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In reply to American Hardwood • 3:30p, 2/25/26
There you go
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