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TAMUallen said:

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Not really a flight... Just a lot of others added in. Dot not feather

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Maybe, but look at growth at Prosper, Melissa, Anna etc. and see if whites moved there?

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It's just a matter of time when it's not gonna look the same

LegalDrugPusher said:

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Owlagdad said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Not really a flight... Just a lot of others added in. Dot not feather

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Maybe, but look at growth at Prosper, Melissa, Anna etc. and see if whites moved there?

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It's just a matter of time when it's not gonna look the same

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We I'll move elsewhere and make it awesome The Indians will follow and make it an Indian shothole. Eventually we'll take over new zelandd.

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aggie93 said:

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Median income in Frisco is about $145k, it's not like it's going downhill. These are upper middle class Asians and most are assimilating, obey the law, and pay a lot of taxes.

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Do you live in Frisco?

I do and they are not assimilating.

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I've lived here since 2004, and before I moved into old downtown, witnessed the influx of 3 generation Indian homes takeoff. My last house was in Park Place and we had several houses near us with 3-4 Teslas that seemed like 10 people live there. I love downtown, it's like a different, quiet little city.

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GenericAggie said:

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aggie93 said:

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Median income in Frisco is about $145k, it's not like it's going downhill. These are upper middle class Asians and most are assimilating, obey the law, and pay a lot of taxes.

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Do you live in Frisco?

I do and they are not assimilating.

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I've lived here since 2004, and before I moved into old downtown, witnessed the influx of 3 generation Indian homes takeoff. My last house was in Park Place and we had several houses near us with 3-4 Teslas that seemed like 10 people live there. I love downtown, it's like a different, quiet little city.

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Yeah, I like old downtown too especially if you go back a few blocks from Main Street it's a quiet place actually.

I used to love hearing people who moved to Prosper brag about getting out of Frisco. Prosper is completely packed now.

Muy said:

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I used to love hearing people who moved to Prosper brag about getting out of Frisco. Prosper is completely packed now.

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I thought about moving up to Gunter or around Lake Texoma just to get some more space

Muy said:

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I used to love hearing people who moved to Prosper brag about getting out of Frisco. Prosper is completely packed now.

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It's packed with Indians and Persians. Whites are done with it.

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Muy said:

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I used to love hearing people who moved to Prosper brag about getting out of Frisco. Prosper is completely packed now.

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I thought about moving up to Gunter or around Lake Texoma just to get some more space

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Almost time to head South. Not Austin South, like Lagrange, Lockhart South.

TAMUallen said:

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Not really a flight... Just a lot of others added in. Dot not feather

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Yup

I would say flight, if flight means replaced.

Step-daughter and her family moved to that area around 2009. They have moved about four or five times since then as the area experienced very rapid growth, creating equity in their current home and they would use that to upgrade as new areas were developed.

(Their last move was to North Carolina.)

Definitely white flight from Sugar Land.

The statistics don't tell the full story, because the white people still hanging on here are all old. The schools give a more accurate picture.

Whites make up just 13% of the district's 80,000 students. That's a massive change from the '90s/2000s.

It's anecdotal, but I believe that even many of the Chinese families that moved here in the early 2000s have since moved on to Katy or other places, once the number of Indian immigrants grew substantially.

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Haha Fwisco rednecks

We buy up all the houses.

Sorry about ten percent rule. Maybe your kids go Texas State.

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Funny, but likely very true.

We moved to Frisco 30 years ago and witnessed all its rapid growth. The pace and extent of its transformation has been pretty wild to watch.

My wife has taught various subjects here at all levels - elementary, middle, and high school. She is currently teaching on-level history, and she said overall, the Indian kids are easily the best students. They're a joy to teach. They're what the white kids here used to be like, and far too many of the white kids here now behave and perform like they don't care.

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Frisco, Mckinney, and Prosper are turning into little India. Multi-generational families moving into houses and associating only with people from their own culture.

My neighborhood has almost completely turned over in Mckinney from mostly white to 1st generation Indian. It seems like 50% of the cars on the road are luxury cars with student driver stickers on them and adult drivers over 30 years old. The frequency of near-miss accidents from people stopping in right turn lanes with a green light or other bone-head moves is up 10-fold in the last several years.

I think white flight is real. I know we want to move because we no longer have neighbors that have any common interests. No college football, no baseball, no football. None of the Indian kids on our block are involved in organized sports. The Indian culture just doesn't seem to support assimilation, and there's little incentive to do so given there are entire friend groups that have immigrated from their street in Pune to the same block in Frisco.

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When my kids are done I'll be leavig southlake. I have no desire to live in what north Texas suburbs have turned into.

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You should try moving out to East Texas or up in the Panhandle area. Should be safe from Indians there.

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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OldArmy07 said:

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Frisco, Mckinney, and Prosper are turning into little India. Multi-generational families moving into houses and associating only with people from their own culture.

My neighborhood has almost completely turned over in Mckinney from mostly white to 1st generation Indian. It seems like 50% of the cars on the road are luxury cars with student driver stickers on them and adult drivers over 30 years old. The frequency of near-miss accidents from people stopping in right turn lanes with a green light or other bone-head moves is up 10-fold in the last several years.

I think white flight is real. I know we want to move because we no longer have neighbors that have any common interests. No college football, no baseball, no football. None of the Indian kids on our block are involved in organized sports. The Indian culture just doesn't seem to support assimilation, and there's little incentive to do so given there are entire friend groups that have immigrated from their street in Pune to the same block in Frisco.

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When my kids are done I'll be leavig southlake. I have no desire to live in what north Texas suburbs have turned into.

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You should try moving out to East Texas or up in the Panhandle area. Should be safe from Indians there.

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Indians prefer the kind of jobs you find at big companies - especially tech-related jobs (software, data, networking, etc.). Any small to mid size town not adjacent or easily accessible to a metropolitan area would be mostly devoid of Indians.

Oklahoma

Immigrants never fully assimilate. They tend to group in in enclaves and continue their culture from their country of origin. . Their kids born here are much more "American", and their kids will have little connection to their grandparents' homeland.

The exact same thing happened with Germans in the Hill Country, Italians in New York, Chinese and Japanese in California, Vietnamese, Nigerians, etc etc etc.

Some natives will complain and move away. Others will embrace the change and welcome their neighbors.

Case study here. Our family moved from Frisco (zoned Reedy High) to Prosper (zoned Walnut Grove) this past Sept, after living in Frisco for 14 years. Frisco is not Texas, it's Mumbai w/ a dash of liberal whites and other various cultures.

I personally feel the demo shift of first gen Pan-Asians, don't assimilate nor have interest in doing so, is going to be bad for the city.

AI is going to have a tremendous adverse impact on the bread winners for most of these families, eg my nextdoor neighbor whom I love is a Sr Data Strategist for SAP, high earner, and those jobs are going the way of the Dodo (his words). I think this decrease in earnings coupled w/ a bad stigma toward Frisco amongst non-Indian professionals - will eventually hurt home values in Frisco.

Furthermore and to put a pin in the fact that Frisco is not Texas, the non-Indian population is mostly not from Texas and have a very liberal slant. Perfect example, my daughters and I were in a version of Princess Indian Guides and out of the 40+ fathers, only 4 were from TX, and only two of those were conservative Christians.

Hopefully Prosper can keep its Texas Culture until my kids graduate. At least that's our bet.

murphyag said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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OldArmy07 said:

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Frisco, Mckinney, and Prosper are turning into little India. Multi-generational families moving into houses and associating only with people from their own culture.

My neighborhood has almost completely turned over in Mckinney from mostly white to 1st generation Indian. It seems like 50% of the cars on the road are luxury cars with student driver stickers on them and adult drivers over 30 years old. The frequency of near-miss accidents from people stopping in right turn lanes with a green light or other bone-head moves is up 10-fold in the last several years.

I think white flight is real. I know we want to move because we no longer have neighbors that have any common interests. No college football, no baseball, no football. None of the Indian kids on our block are involved in organized sports. The Indian culture just doesn't seem to support assimilation, and there's little incentive to do so given there are entire friend groups that have immigrated from their street in Pune to the same block in Frisco.

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When my kids are done I'll be leavig southlake. I have no desire to live in what north Texas suburbs have turned into.

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You should try moving out to East Texas or up in the Panhandle area. Should be safe from Indians there.

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Instead of discussing how to solve the problem, people are recommending to give up and run away.
Sad.

It is funny. The people who fought (or would fight) for desegregation are the ones that are self-segregating.

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Case study here. Our family moved from Frisco (zoned Reedy High) to Prosper (zoned Walnut Grove) this past Sept, after living in Frisco for 14 years. Frisco is not Texas, it's Mumbai w/ a dash of liberal whites and other various cultures.

I personally feel the demo shift of first gen Pan-Asians, don't assimilate nor have interest in doing so, is going to be bad for the city.

AI is going to have a tremendous adverse impact on the bread winners for most of these families, eg my nextdoor neighbor whom I love is a Sr Data Strategist for SAP, high earner, and those jobs are going the way of the Dodo (his words). I think this decrease in earnings coupled w/ a bad stigma toward Frisco amongst non-Indian professionals - will eventually hurt home values in Frisco.

Furthermore and to put a pin in the fact that Frisco is not Texas, the non-Indian population is mostly not from Texas and have a very liberal slant. Perfect example, my daughters and I were in a version of Princess Indian Guides and out of the 40+ fathers, only 4 were from TX, and only two of those were conservative Christians.

Hopefully Prosper can keep its Texas Culture until my kids graduate. At least that's our bet.

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Thats where all the new build homes are going up. Indians do love the new builds…

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murphyag said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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OldArmy07 said:

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Frisco, Mckinney, and Prosper are turning into little India. Multi-generational families moving into houses and associating only with people from their own culture.

My neighborhood has almost completely turned over in Mckinney from mostly white to 1st generation Indian. It seems like 50% of the cars on the road are luxury cars with student driver stickers on them and adult drivers over 30 years old. The frequency of near-miss accidents from people stopping in right turn lanes with a green light or other bone-head moves is up 10-fold in the last several years.

I think white flight is real. I know we want to move because we no longer have neighbors that have any common interests. No college football, no baseball, no football. None of the Indian kids on our block are involved in organized sports. The Indian culture just doesn't seem to support assimilation, and there's little incentive to do so given there are entire friend groups that have immigrated from their street in Pune to the same block in Frisco.

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When my kids are done I'll be leavig southlake. I have no desire to live in what north Texas suburbs have turned into.

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You should try moving out to East Texas or up in the Panhandle area. Should be safe from Indians there.

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Instead of discussing how to solve the problem, people are recommending to give up and run away.
Sad.

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He said he was leaving Southlake when his kids were done. That is why I gave him suggestions of some parts of Texas that he might like better.

I remember horse back trail riding in Frisco years ago with no one around for miles.

probably all now "Little Hyderabad" housing units.

murphyag said:

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infinity ag said:

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murphyag said:

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Ol_Ag_02 said:

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OldArmy07 said:

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Frisco, Mckinney, and Prosper are turning into little India. Multi-generational families moving into houses and associating only with people from their own culture.

My neighborhood has almost completely turned over in Mckinney from mostly white to 1st generation Indian. It seems like 50% of the cars on the road are luxury cars with student driver stickers on them and adult drivers over 30 years old. The frequency of near-miss accidents from people stopping in right turn lanes with a green light or other bone-head moves is up 10-fold in the last several years.

I think white flight is real. I know we want to move because we no longer have neighbors that have any common interests. No college football, no baseball, no football. None of the Indian kids on our block are involved in organized sports. The Indian culture just doesn't seem to support assimilation, and there's little incentive to do so given there are entire friend groups that have immigrated from their street in Pune to the same block in Frisco.

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When my kids are done I'll be leavig southlake. I have no desire to live in what north Texas suburbs have turned into.

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You should try moving out to East Texas or up in the Panhandle area. Should be safe from Indians there.

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Instead of discussing how to solve the problem, people are recommending to give up and run away.
Sad.

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He said he was leaving Southlake when his kids were done. That is why I gave him suggestions of some parts of Texas that he might like better.

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Gotcha! Thanks

Went out to dinner with friends who live in Dallas just south of 635 and midway/marsh area. Went to dinner at Mesero on Lovers.

Very Caucasian. I was really surprised. Traffic isn't a problem down there either in the neighborhoods. Wild.

I left frisco. Had less to do with race and more to do with lack of southern hospitality like I grew up with.

/bye

Signel said:

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I left frisco. Had less to do with race and more to do with lack of southern hospitality like I grew up with.

/bye

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Where did you go? Me and my wife feel the same and are starting to look.

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Signel said:

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I left frisco. Had less to do with race and more to do with lack of southern hospitality like I grew up with.

/bye

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Where did you go? Me and my wife feel the same and are starting to look.

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Flower Mound area.. Honestly, it is bad everywhere in far north dfw. Many of my friends have moved far north to almost Oklahoma.

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I remember horse back trail riding in Frisco years ago with no one around for miles.

probably all now "Little Hyderabad" housing units.

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Most of them make good money and live in nice houses. But the part about not assimilating is often true.

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Signel said:

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I left frisco. Had less to do with race and more to do with lack of southern hospitality like I grew up with.

/bye

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Where did you go? Me and my wife feel the same and are starting to look.

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We built our house in Frisco in 2013. Left in 2015. Moved to Lovejoy (Fairview/Lucas) area.

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Nobody lived in Frisco in 2000. Your numbers show that.

More white people live in Frisco now than they did in 2000. Your number show that too. I don't know how it's flight if more of them live there than before.

Frisco took off because people could get a great value on a nice home and send their kids to a good public school while commuting to jobs in DFW. A number of the people that have the income to take advantage of that are Asian and Indian. It wasn't part of something conspiratorial.

Anna, Prosper and Melissa are probably next (or actively heading that way) where the town goes from being totally rural with a small, mostly white population to a more diverse population when urban sprawl kicks in.

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3.5x population growth for one mostly non-immigrant ethnic group in 20 years vs. 67.4x growth for a largely immigrant group is staggering and changes a community in ways that go far beyond basic suburb encroachment. I'm not even saying it's bad or that you're completely wrong with why it happened when it did, but the numbers are pretty shocking.

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Signel said:

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I left frisco. Had less to do with race and more to do with lack of southern hospitality like I grew up with.

/bye

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Where did you go? Me and my wife feel the same and are starting to look.

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We built our house in Frisco in 2013. Left in 2015. Moved to Lovejoy (Fairview/Lucas) area.

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I'm curious what your thought on that area is now 10 years later? Seems to be as an observer that Fairview and Lucas is similarly being gobbled up by massive planned developments.

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Killin Me Smalls said:

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GenericAggie said:

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Signel said:

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I left frisco. Had less to do with race and more to do with lack of southern hospitality like I grew up with.

/bye

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Where did you go? Me and my wife feel the same and are starting to look.

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We built our house in Frisco in 2013. Left in 2015. Moved to Lovejoy (Fairview/Lucas) area.

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I'm curious what your thought on that area is now 10 years later? Seems to be as an observer that Fairview and Lucas is similarly being gobbled up by massive planned developments.

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I haven't noticed a big change. We actually live in McKinney, but zone to Lovejoy. I believe Lucas has a 1.5 acre minimum and Fairview has a 1 acre minimum lot size. Generally that attracts a different type of buyer, and it limits the swarm. In some areas, the traffic has gotten bad as the 2 lane country roads/infrastructure hasn't kept up with the growth. The ISD is also not immune to the budget struggles that much of the state has.