Norway. Must be a citizen to vote. Must show ID to vote.

Egypt. Must be a citizen. Must show national ID or passport to vote. Voting is compulsory.

Vietnam. Must be a citizen. Voter ID or voter card is typically used. This in the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

United Kingdom (the sovereign). Anybody living there, UK citizen, Irishmen, commonwealth citizens, stray cats, and Paddington Bear. But… you must still show a photo ID.

There you have it. Everywhere OP has lived requires ID to vote. But it would be racist in the US.

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This is an overused liberal talking point. It depends on the circumstances. It's not always civil, certainly not if you snuck across the border or if you've been previously deported.

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And I don't even care. We either have laws or we don't. They aren't arbitrary.

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FarmerFran - so you want to protect criminals. Anyone who crosses our borders illegally are criminals.

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It's a civil violation first off, not criminal. I want immigration reform that allows for immigrants that are law abiding citizens to have a much more expedient path to citizenship so that they can live and work in this country without being in violation of the law of

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No, you want to import 10-30 million new voters so your party will have a permanent underclass who will keep voting for your side to ensure control in perpetuity.

I don't think that someone who had entered illegally should ever have a path to citizenship, they've already shown a lack of interest in following our laws, the right to vote, and should never be eligible for any guv assistance.

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I have no concerns for being around any race. I grew up and have lived all over the world. What I care about is people's rights being infringed

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Call, I'm All-In.

I've got Puerto Rico, California (The O.C. and Los Angeles, plus 300+ nights at the Santa Clara Marriott), Alaska, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia, Louisiana, Kentucky, Colorado, and New South Wales, Australia.

Plus, I assume we've both got Texas and The USA on the board.

Please turn over your "I've lived all over the world" cards.

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Norway, Egypt, Vietnam ,Scotland, England

And since you claim your worldliness based on living in multiple states: Texas, California, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama.

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Tell me more about your version of California.

California is a whole different country with multiple sub-countries depending on where you're at (Koreatown, Glendale, Arcadia, East Bay, etc.).

And yeah, Louisiana is a different country (they're so French, they don't even have Counties, LOL)

Alaska, used to be part of Russia. Never mind the indigenous population. Plus nature in Alaska will straight up kill you (Australia will too).

Pretty wide range of Continents for you - Northern Europe / Scandinavia, Southeast Asia, North Africa / Middle East.

Due to the various regimes they've had over the years, I'd love to know the date ranges of your Egyptian experience. Likewise for Vietnam.

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Steve Bannon actively stating that ICE agents will be at polling places in order for people to not be able to "steal elections". Complete and utter voter intimidation. Ensuring minorities don't show up to polls under threat of being detained with no evidence.

https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-proposes-using-ice-in-elections-11462376

This administration is a direct threat to our democracy

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I'm so tired of this performative nonsense. We all know you don't believe that ****, and you know exactly why they are doing it, we also know why you're so concerned about minorities. Stop it. You're not going to be able to steal elections with fake votes anymore, cope, cry or seeth, but quit asking us to pretend you don't know the truth.

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I absolutely believe it. If an administration is willing to label a guy they just shot to death in the street after violating his rights a domestic terrorist then I absolutely believe this. Yall act like Steve Bannon even if not in the administration isn't intrinsically tied to Trump.

This is only enhanced by Trump and the DOJ demanding voter rolls from Minnesota to have ICE leave and them raiding Fulton County Georgias voter bureau. Then on top of that you have Trump calling for nationalizing elections.

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After violating his rights? More performative nonsense. The guy that kicked the tail lights off a federal vehicle? That guy? Who punched an ice agent on two separate occasions? His rights weren't violated, and you know that as well. The entire process of arguing with a liberal is just them pretending to not understand anything. You're so full of *****

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Norway, Egypt, Vietnam ,Scotland, England

And since you claim your worldliness based on living in multiple states: Texas, California, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama.

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At 34 years old, you've lived in all those places? How many as an adult?

Don't bother arguing, he isn't smart enough to hold a real conversation.

Solid troll, OP

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FarmerFran - so you want to protect criminals. Anyone who crosses our borders illegally are criminals.

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It's a civil violation first off, not criminal. I want immigration reform that allows for immigrants that are law abiding citizens to have a much more expedient path to citizenship so that they can live and work in this country without being in violation of the law of

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Nope. Asylum seekers or over-staying a visa would be civil, but the vast majority do not fit into those buckets. At best it is a criminal misdemeanor, but when they are repeat violators it is a felony. When your dementia riddled puppet opened the front and back door to any and all, with nary a concern as to who was coming in, your second statement went right out the window.

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And what percentage of those being deported are qualifying for those felonies?

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I don't have an actual percentage. While I fully expect that in your mind, this means "See! They are all here legally and are all upstanding human beings on the verge of finding a cure for cancer", that simply is not a logical conclusion. Estimates range up to 8 million illegals allowed into the US by Joe Biden. Out of that population, we know that many were violent criminals or gang members. ICE has its mandate to remove people like this. They should absolutely be the first to go, but so should any and all others who stepped across our borders illegally.

But of course you want these people here. Not because you value them as human beings, but because you belong to a party that craves permanent, tyrannical power. What you don't understand is history, however. History shows us that such regimes use people like you, but ultimately, you are among the first to be lined up against a wall. I am not okay with the ride that people like you want to take this country on. I'd much prefer that you come to your senses and realize what Democrats (communists for the most part these days) covet and join the side of freedom and American values and all of that, but failing that, perhaps a one-way ticket to some commie paradise is more your cup of tea.

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I think anyone who has truly grown up and lived all over the world, they would not come home and be critical of our processes for voting except to say we are a laughing stock around the world for how to conduct safe, secure elections.

Since you have, care to share more of your experiences? I imagine you've witnessed lots of foreign elections from the front row.

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Living in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, obviously there weren't any elections (in my era) because everything was run by the King and the Royal Family. What we've seen during the past decade or so is a little unusual where the Crown Prince MBS has been running things instead of King Salman.

I was there during a regime change when King Khalid died in June 1982 and the Crown Prince Fahd, became the new King.

We had an immediate 3 day mourning period where EVERYTHING in the country closed down. Like Hurricane or Earthquake preparedness, you had what you had. Hope you've got enough food to get through 3 days of not being able to go to the store.

And in that era, there were still 7 different types of police forces including the now defunct Religious Police.

By and large, everything in Saudi Arabia was orderly and there were no political protests of any kind.

They had a very strict immigration policy while simultaneously allowing in millions of Pilgrims from all over the world for Hajj every year.

They used to have immigration checkpoints and would search our car after Hajj to make sure we weren't smuggling any Pilgrims who tried to remain in the country.

I'm sure everyone has heard stories about Westerners who had this, that or the other happen to them as punishment for violating Saudi Arabian laws. While most of those stories are sensational to people who consume Western media, the reality is that none of those are first offenses because the first offense 99 times out of 100, earns you a deportation back to your home country.

One other funny thing is that every time there is a new King, they have to print new money with the new King's picture on it. I've got an old 1 Riyal note with King Faisal's picture on it that was still in circulation when we arrived in 1977. King Faisal was assassinated in 1975 which precipitated a ban on alcohol and guns.

I could go on but that's the brief overview of my political experience in The Kingdom.

I'll try to do a brief write up on my Australian political experience but I might not get to it until tomorrow.

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Norway, Egypt, Vietnam ,Scotland, England

And since you claim your worldliness based on living in multiple states: Texas, California, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama.

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At 34 years old, you've lived in all those places? How many as an adult?

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The other one I've asked military people who deployed to Saudi Arabia and like to tell me how backward it is, is how many of those countries did you travel to as a civilian and how many of those countries did you have to live on the local economy versus on a military base?

Before he unfriended me on FB, I used to get into it with a Fake Aggie (from Tarleton) who tried to tell me that he also had tea in the homes of Saudi men. He got real irritated when I asked him if he ever did it out of uniform and without a gun.

I'm still jealous of the kids in my hometown whose fathers were in the US Navy and had access to real bacon. I mean, if you're living in Saudi and have real bacon, is it really a hardship? LOL

Dems have removed the illegal word from illegal alien or illegal immigrant. Probably just an oversight

Not 20 years ago, ALL of these Democrats supported strict immigration enforcement and requirements because they had not yet lost the support of a lot of the union workers and unions and they recognized the unions could see immigrant workers suppress wages and compete for jobs.

It's funny how they did a big 180 when they realized the unions were noticing how often the democrats betrayed them and took them for granted, and that warm bodies counted by the census were helping Democrats manipulate house seat and elector counts in their favor significantly. Dems don't give a crap about anyone else but love to believe they do, but they definitely care about themselves enough to use and exploit other people.

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Not 20 years ago, ALL of these Democrats supported strict immigration enforcement and requirements because they had not yet lost the support of a lot of the union workers and unions and they recognized the unions could see immigrant workers suppress wages and compete for jobs.

It's funny how they did a big 180 when they realized the unions were noticing how often the democrats betrayed them and took them for granted, and that warm bodies counted by the census were helping Democrats manipulate house seat and elector counts in their favor significantly. Dems don't give a crap about anyone else but love to believe they do, but they definitely care about themselves enough to use and exploit other people.

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They also supported election integrity.

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bannon is a ghoul and a troll, but he just likes saying the quiet parts out loud. illegal immigrant voting is vanishingly rare to the point of meaninglessness, and deploying federal brown shirts to polling stations to stop it is both a waste of resources and textbook voter intimidation.

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Brown shirts? Brown shirts???? What an absolutely disgusting thing to call federal law enforcement officers. When you do that you diminish the cruelty and horror committed by actual brown shirts on countless numbers of people, and at the same time you show why nobody respects anything that flys from your fingertips to this board. Now explain exactly who it is that would be intimidated.

Old McDonald said:

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bannon is a ghoul and a troll, but he just likes saying the quiet parts out loud. illegal immigrant voting is vanishingly rare to the point of meaninglessness, and deploying federal brown shirts to polling stations to stop it is both a waste of resources and textbook voter intimidation.

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I remember when libs used to say it never happened. Now the new spin is it does but not much. Kind of like OPs worry about "detaining" citizens. It may happen but very very seldom so let's not worry about either of them.

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Old McDonald said:

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bannon is a ghoul and a troll, but he just likes saying the quiet parts out loud. illegal immigrant voting is vanishingly rare to the point of meaninglessness, and deploying federal brown shirts to polling stations to stop it is both a waste of resources and textbook voter intimidation.

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Brown shirts? Brown shirts???? What an absolutely disgusting thing to call federal law enforcement officers. When you do that you diminish the cruelty and horror committed by actual brown shirts on countless numbers of people, and at the same time you show why nobody respects anything that flys from your fingertips to this board. Now explain exactly who it is that would be intimidated.

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That poster likely sees Nazis under his bed and in his closet every night.

what makes so many people support open borders and uncontrolled elections?


1. they actually believe we need millions and millions more migrants to pick fruit, mow lawns, clean house, bus tables, etc. and we have the infrastructure (housing, first responders, eduction, etc.) to support them to keep coming by the millions if we just raise taxes even more on the half of us idiots who make money. unfettered mass migration makes us safer and anyone who makes it here, either by sneaking in, making phony asylum claims, or overstaying a visa, should have a say in our local and national government representation and administrations despite not being citizens and not paying taxes to fund those governments.

2. they actually believe capitalism is evil and America is an evil horrible place. it will be a utopian paradise if we just get enough more voters who share the socialist ideals that we need big government, government is efficient and effective at implementing and managing large scale projects and programs, and our benevolent government can solve everyone's problems. once we vote ourselves into it, we can tax the "haves" into poverty with the rest of us or chase them offshore, and then finally: government will make everyone happy with "equity".

3. they're brainwashed by the democrat and unelected permanent government bureaucrats and their pravda media arm to believe that the half of the country that are job and family having, church going, tax paying normies who want smaller government and lower taxes are evil fascists. that's really scary, so we better support wide open borders with unfettered mass migration and no controls on elections because it's the only way to fight facism in America.

I asked three Democrat lobbyists a simple question: "Should you have to be a citizen in order to vote in Arizona's elections?"

Just wait until you see their answers! pic.twitter.com/t9tuVWnXVd

— Rep. Alexander Kolodin (@realAlexKolodin) January 29, 2026

This is OP right now...and the Democrat party right now. They are pretending to not know what women are and are now pretending to not know who is legally allowed to vote.

This is all just so exhausting, with the opposition pretending to not understand basic things. I understand that Arizona has somehow allowed non-citizens to vote in local elections but this is also likely unconstitutional and just hasn't made it to the SCOTUS.

It makes discourse impossible, and instead they pay people to fight law enforcement to prevent these people from being deported.

In all 3 cases, these lobbyists know the answer is "no" they don't believe that only citizens should be able to vote and are working at their full-time jobs to make this possible, they are just too cowardly to admit it on record.

And that fully explains where we are right now as a country and why the SAVE America act is worth getting across the goal line.

So, FarmerFran, Do you believe that people should have to be United States Citizens to vote?

pic.twitter.com/DqioR1lIPA

— DJ_Baar (@dj_baar) February 5, 2026

Rare "Jim Crow era" footage of Joe Biden showing his ID to vote in the 2022 midterm elections.pic.twitter.com/8uTN3ew0q9

— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) February 5, 2026

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What I care about is people's rights being infringed

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I am glad to hear you say that!

It pisses me off when illegals vote and nullify my vote. That infringes on my rights!

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Intimidating? Nah, probably been needed for a while. Our elections are a joke.

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Only when you buddy Donny loses right?

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President Trump has never lost an election. Though, he did have an election stolen from him one time.

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I have no concerns for being around any race. I grew up and have lived all over the world. What I care about is people's rights being infringed

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Call, I'm All-In.

I've got Puerto Rico, California (The O.C. and Los Angeles, plus 300+ nights at the Santa Clara Marriott), Alaska, Eastern Province, Saudi Arabia, Louisiana, Kentucky, Colorado, and New South Wales, Australia.

Plus, I assume we've both got Texas and The USA on the board.

Please turn over your "I've lived all over the world" cards.

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Norway, Egypt, Vietnam ,Scotland, England

And since you claim your worldliness based on living in multiple states: Texas, California, South Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama.

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Tell me more about your version of California.

California is a whole different country with multiple sub-countries depending on where you're at (Koreatown, Glendale, Arcadia, East Bay, etc.).

And yeah, Louisiana is a different country (they're so French, they don't even have Counties, LOL)

Alaska, used to be part of Russia. Never mind the indigenous population. Plus nature in Alaska will straight up kill you (Australia will too).

Pretty wide range of Continents for you - Northern Europe / Scandinavia, Southeast Asia, North Africa / Middle East.

Due to the various regimes they've had over the years, I'd love to know the date ranges of your Egyptian experience. Likewise for Vietnam.

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I lived in the Bay Area for 3 years for work both in San Jose and San Francisco. Was a great jumping off location to be able to travel around the western US but overall not a great place to live overall.

Egypt - 2001 - 2002

Vietnam 2008

Were you politically active and aware as a 10 year old in Egypt?

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Were you politically active and aware as a 10 year old in Egypt?

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Reddit hasn't told them what to say about that yet.