The Collective said:

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Engineering with practical capabilities -get your kid fixing **** and being good with their hands today.

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Like what? I would think the actual engineering piece will be taken over by ai

Quito said:

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In other words, what are the top skillsets of the future?

- Performing (acting, athletics, public speaking, story telling, etc..)
- Selling (persuasive, quick wit, adaptable chameleon, etc...)
- Presenting (owning a room, adapting to an audience)

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Don't think any of these are safe.

1. AI generated movies, songs and stories, etc. are already nearly indistinguishable from human generated.
2. You are assuming people will still be making buying decisions. The vast majority of purchases may actually be made by AI in the future... Who sells to AI Agents better people or other AI agents? Just look at the internet revolution so many sales jobs disappeared.
3. People are already consuming information vastly differently with AI. I can have AI present to me real time on any topic I want i.e. notebook LM generated podcast in less than 3 minutes.

I've actually thought about that, but how long until AI is breaking down the opponent tendencies, designing a game plan, and calling plays?

I know a few others in a similar situation

Quito said:

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I tend to believe that hard work and pride in that work will win out. However, when push comes to shove, would you really give advice to go learn plumbing or electric work to a very bright student who would otherwise attend a top engineering or medical school?

I'm in Med Device sales for Johnson and Johnson. One has to have a degree to get hired, however we don't mandate what the degree is in. I have a hard time really advising someone bright to not go to college. Is that because we are in a transition?

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All those careers require bright individuals and all those careers can have pride in their hard work. An electrical apprenticeship takes 4 years and when done, you are making $140K plus OT if you want, along with amazing benefit packages. That is a real life salary, I manage dozens of IBEW folks and that is the rate we pay for our power generation electricians. Being an electrician is not an easy job, just like engineering. Both take a lot of education and learning and if you don't take it serious, someone could get hurt or killed.

Quito said:

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I've actually thought about that, but how long until AI is breaking down the opponent tendencies, designing a game plan, and calling plays?

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Give me robot refs first. Sports has not been augmented by some of the technology (and much of it is available today) you suggest yet because the whole system is rigged.

Mega Lops said:

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Quito said:

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I've actually thought about that, but how long until AI is breaking down the opponent tendencies, designing a game plan, and calling plays?

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Give me robot refs first. Sports has not been augmented by some of the technology (and much of it is available today) you suggest yet because the whole system is rigged.

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Will robot ref have all of his bitcoin on the Ags?

BCO07 said:

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The Collective said:

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Engineering with practical capabilities -get your kid fixing **** and being good with their hands today.

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Like what? I would think the actual engineering piece will be taken over by ai

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I'm advocating to still get a challenging degree, but also have the capability to fall back to needing to do physical work vs. a cube job. Essentially, help your kid get outside of the theoretical, writing reports, living in CAD, etc.
Other people have great points here - introverts are probably going to need to develop skills that might be hard for them in a rapid economic shift.

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Logos Stick said:

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We are - like most of the developed world - in population decline. That is going to mitigate the impact of AI. I would still encourage kids to pursue STEM degrees, but to also seriously consider the trades. The goal being to ultimately own a business and have others working for you that actually crawl under the houses (e.g. plumbing).

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I can't see a scenario in the future-

where a robot could not replace humans crawling under houses

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How about corralling and vaccinating cows?

Choose your educational track based on a job that seems good enough for you (don't wait for perfect).

Make sure that job has a significant element that takes place in the real world (i.e. not just typing software, docs, reports, etc.).

Know that you will likely have to change jobs several times, or at least substantially change how your job is done.

Learn how to use available tools to make yourself more efficient.


BONUS:

Look for a path with a lower barrier to equity / ownership.

Be wary of careers that only exist because of lobbyists / legal protections.

Mega Lops said:

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Quito said:

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I've actually thought about that, but how long until AI is breaking down the opponent tendencies, designing a game plan, and calling plays?

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Give me robot refs first. Sports has not been augmented by some of the technology (and much of it is available today) you suggest yet because the whole system is rigged.

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AI and data analytics starting influencing play calling tendencies a while ago.



I am generally fine with big time officials, but the local rec / travel league stuff I am involved in ... I am concerned about them remembering to breath b/c they are so unequipped with necessary IQ.

AI is not the all-conquering tsunami that many (esp older Boomers) think it is. It's going through the hype phase like any new tech pumped by CEOs who want to save their own jobs and pump up the stock market.

1. Figure out where things are heading and try to get there before everyone else.
2. Align your interests with that of the richest man in the world. If he makes $1M, ensure that you make $10 reliably and consistently.
3. Don't be wedded to a company or job and be open to pivoting at any time.
4. Always be interviewing. Never relax in a role. Have a goal of 5 interviews a year every year to stay fresh and to know what people are looking for.

samurai_science said:

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Plumber

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A robot and ai will one day replace this too. And robots work holidays and don't join unions.

I have been working with all the major robotics companies. They are well beyond what you think for humanoids and hand/finger dexterity.

They absolutely will be able to do almost anything a human can do, and mostly much better.

The next 10 years is going to be extremely disruptive to everyone.

Well, ***** Bring on the robotic wife.

Youngest daughter wants to be a general practice / family doctor. I've advised her to consider another profession. AI is already doing better diagnostics than human physicians.

The Collective said:

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Well, ***** Bring on the robotic wife.

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Rule #1 below.

Sazerac said:

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I have been working with all the major robotics companies. They are well beyond what you think for humanoids and hand/finger dexterity.

They absolutely will be able to do almost anything a human can do, and mostly much better.

The next 10 years is going to be extremely disruptive to everyone.

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How are they dealing with the power supply issue? Can any of these robots last very long on a battery?

Burn-It said:

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Youngest daughter wants to be a general practice / family doctor. I've advised her to consider another profession. AI is already doing better diagnostics than human physicians.

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In general, I am about 95% as good as most GP when it comes to diagnosis.


I have no medical training ... I just lived that life already!

Burn-It said:

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Youngest daughter wants to be a general practice / family doctor. I've advised her to consider another profession. AI is already doing better diagnostics than human physicians.

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I'm a family medicine doctor and have some concern, but not a ton. I also still work with my hands in the ER and inpatient settings, so that is different than a lot of FM guys. That said, sorting through all the nonsense that comes out of people's mouths to get to what really matters and developing the sense of when something isn't quite right is going to be hard for computers to do. The science is different than the art. Medicine isn't just patient complains of x thus diagnosis is y.

Honestly, the speed that it is coming has me stumped. It won't be long before we are all like the jetson's and we have a Tesla Bot at the house for under 20k doing ALL the manual work. What does that mean?

What happens when that bot can change an alternator or wire up a 220v circuit in your garage? What happens when companies realize they can run 24/7 workforces that don't need much guidance or even pay?

In my estimation, we are likely 3 to 5 years away from full on AI and Robotic replacement for 60% to 80% of the entire world's workforce.

The AI CEOs have talked Universal Basic Income, but what good is that if everyone has it and we have limited goods based on finite resources?

No one, not even the AI tools, seem to know the answers to this.

How will AI and robotics affect Agriculture? Will robotic machines be able to sow fields of crops and raise cattle with AI providing the knowledge?

I can't wait to see a team of robot humanoids run cattle into a squeeze chute and crimp their testicles and saw their horns.

Things like roofing, hvac, etc will be safe for some time to come. Decade+

Sales for IRL spaces like commercial real estate, etc. No timeline for being disrupted. SAAS / software sales jobs are going to die though.

Executive - vision, ideas, etc. No timeline for being disrupted.

Management. Orchestrating execution against a long running (quarters-years) roadmap is still a good ways from the reach of LlMs

Signel said:

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What happens when that bot can change an alternator or wire up a 220v circuit in your garage? What happens when companies realize they can run 24/7 workforces that don't need much guidance or even pay?

In my estimation, we are likely 3 to 5 years away from full on AI and Robotic replacement for 60% to 80% of the entire world's workforce.

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Automation doesn't just happen out of the blue, it takes years to develop. There's nothing that exists today that even suggests any of that is on the horizon.

Take residential construction, for instance. Where's automation being introduced? There's nothing automated when pouring concrete or framing a home.

My BIL can barely read or write but he has managed to build a lucrative HVAC business. Somehow he managed to secure a deal with one of the largest manufactured home sellers in North Texas. They sell a **** ton to Choctaw Nation in Southern Oklahoma. Those installations are stupid easy, everything is basically sold as a kit. Now he has a Hispanic crew doing 8-10 installs a week, on each installation he makes 500 bucks, they make 500 bucks and everybody is happy. All he does is service calls, which is largely warranty work.

Point being, automation doesn't just happen, it is incrementally implemented. Until I see that incremental automation happening, I'm calling bull**** on your premise.

I just don't believe that time frame could be accurate for robotics. I don't believe they will be anywhere close to being economical enough to replace human labor in the near future.

All of these posts about automation are my point. I don't think we are close to eliminating blue collar jobs using your hands.

I do think some of the highly advanced "thinking" jobs are in danger.

Therefore, are we at the point, you would encourage a very bright, high SAT/ACT, top 10% type kid to not go to college to learn engineering in favor of trades?

Quito said:

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All of these posts about automation are my point. I don't think we are close to eliminating blue collar jobs using your hands.

I do think some of the highly advanced "thinking" jobs are in danger.

Therefore, are we at the point, you would encourage a very bright, high SAT/ACT, top 10% type kid to not go to college to learn engineering in favor of trades?

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I think so because I have always believed that a smart person who is willing to work hard will always succeed. It's really hard to see the benefit of a college degree, with a few exceptions, going forward.

Dont trust info AI spits out, verify what it spits out to confirm.

Im reminded of a thread on the football board that was asking about specific stats, and someone put up an obviously wrong stat. Then another poster put the questions into ChatGPT and it referenced the very thread and wrong stat that was being discussed

ntxVol said:

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Signel said:

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What happens when that bot can change an alternator or wire up a 220v circuit in your garage? What happens when companies realize they can run 24/7 workforces that don't need much guidance or even pay?

In my estimation, we are likely 3 to 5 years away from full on AI and Robotic replacement for 60% to 80% of the entire world's workforce.

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Automation doesn't just happen out of the blue, it takes years to develop. There's nothing that exists today that even suggests any of that is on the horizon.

Take residential construction, for instance. Where's automation being introduced? There's nothing automated when pouring concrete or framing a home.

My BIL can barely read or write but he has managed to build a lucrative HVAC business. Somehow he managed to secure a deal with one of the largest manufactured home sellers in North Texas. They sell a **** ton to Choctaw Nation in Southern Oklahoma. Those installations are stupid easy, everything is basically sold as a kit. Now he has a Hispanic crew doing 8-10 installs a week, on each installation he makes 500 bucks, they make 500 bucks and everybody is happy. All he does is service calls, which is largely warranty work.

Point being, automation doesn't just happen, it is incrementally implemented. Until I see that incremental automation happening, I'm calling bull**** on your premise.

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3 years ago in your backyard by a fellow Aggie

Ai roofing machine. Doesn't take much imagination to realize our world is changing dramatically. Denial will just delay adaptation.

I have warned my son about not every "woman" that you are talking to on a computer is a real woman. With modern AI there's is a 50-50 chance it is an Indian recording you hoping to make some money off of you.

With all due respect, I think the timeline for replacing the trades is way longer than that. I don't think a lot of it will ever be automated for numerous reasons.

Information workers, yeah.

Chetos said:

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ntxVol said:

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Signel said:

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What happens when that bot can change an alternator or wire up a 220v circuit in your garage? What happens when companies realize they can run 24/7 workforces that don't need much guidance or even pay?

In my estimation, we are likely 3 to 5 years away from full on AI and Robotic replacement for 60% to 80% of the entire world's workforce.

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Automation doesn't just happen out of the blue, it takes years to develop. There's nothing that exists today that even suggests any of that is on the horizon.

Take residential construction, for instance. Where's automation being introduced? There's nothing automated when pouring concrete or framing a home.

My BIL can barely read or write but he has managed to build a lucrative HVAC business. Somehow he managed to secure a deal with one of the largest manufactured home sellers in North Texas. They sell a **** ton to Choctaw Nation in Southern Oklahoma. Those installations are stupid easy, everything is basically sold as a kit. Now he has a Hispanic crew doing 8-10 installs a week, on each installation he makes 500 bucks, they make 500 bucks and everybody is happy. All he does is service calls, which is largely warranty work.

Point being, automation doesn't just happen, it is incrementally implemented. Until I see that incremental automation happening, I'm calling bull**** on your premise.

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3 years ago in your backyard by a fellow Aggie

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Nice proof of concept, where is this tech actually being used? BYW, what's going to cover that ugly as **** facade?

ntxVol said:

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Chetos said:

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ntxVol said:

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Signel said:

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What happens when that bot can change an alternator or wire up a 220v circuit in your garage? What happens when companies realize they can run 24/7 workforces that don't need much guidance or even pay?

In my estimation, we are likely 3 to 5 years away from full on AI and Robotic replacement for 60% to 80% of the entire world's workforce.

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Automation doesn't just happen out of the blue, it takes years to develop. There's nothing that exists today that even suggests any of that is on the horizon.

Take residential construction, for instance. Where's automation being introduced? There's nothing automated when pouring concrete or framing a home.

My BIL can barely read or write but he has managed to build a lucrative HVAC business. Somehow he managed to secure a deal with one of the largest manufactured home sellers in North Texas. They sell a **** ton to Choctaw Nation in Southern Oklahoma. Those installations are stupid easy, everything is basically sold as a kit. Now he has a Hispanic crew doing 8-10 installs a week, on each installation he makes 500 bucks, they make 500 bucks and everybody is happy. All he does is service calls, which is largely warranty work.

Point being, automation doesn't just happen, it is incrementally implemented. Until I see that incremental automation happening, I'm calling bull**** on your premise.

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3 years ago in your backyard by a fellow Aggie

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Nice proof of concept, where is this tech actually being used? BYW, what's going to cover that ugly as **** facade?

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We are taking data points and extrapolating the future. If it was already, then we wouldn't be having this discussion of what the future holds as you would already know.