Massie is worse than John McCain

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They'll never answer that question.

He has to bend the knee and align/vote with everything the modern day GOP is doing or he's "aligning with democrats". Just throw out his beliefs that he campaigned on and promised his voters and fall in line when he gets into Washington.

It really is insane that they cannot answer. It's a simple question.

He answered. Sorry you don't like the answer.

He has voted numerous times AND sponsored legislation with the far left Democrats.

But, if that makes him super conservative to you, so be it...

He did not answer. He tried to conflate "if Massie is a conservative" with "did Massie vote lockstep with the GOP" which is not a conservative party. Cheap trick and does not work

Voting and enabling liberal democrats is not conservative no matter how many times you try to hand wave it away.

It is an unforgivable sin.

these reasons aren't conservative and is an unforgivable sin according to you?

https://anncoulter.substack.com/p/the-lies-about-rep-thomas-massie
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Claim 1: Massie "opposed the SAVE Act," requiring proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections.
Absurd Massie has repeatedly supported the SAVE Act, He voted YES on the SAVE Act itself on the floor multiple times, and has publicly stated his support for voter ID/proof of citizenship to vote, and urged the Senate to pass the bill.
He voted NO on a single procedural rule that bundled the bill with a provision suspending the normal 24-hour notice rules for ALL spending bills and other measures.

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Claim 2: Massie "supported transgenders in women's bathrooms."
Utterly preposterous. Massie has NEVER supported any bill to allowing biological males in women's bathrooms in schools, prisons, or federal buildings.

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Claim 3: Massie voted against funding the Department of Homeland Security.
Another smear that collapses under the briefest scrutiny.
The DHS appropriations bill included funding for the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) the Democrats' censorship machine, used by the Biden administration to suppress truthful information about COVID, and Hunter Biden's laptop, among other things.
THAT was what Massie objected to as he has publicly explained multiple times.
Maybe he should have accepted government spying and censoring of Americans in exchange for the rest of the DHS bill. (Another idea: Maybe Republicans should have stripped CISA funding from the bill.) But it's absurd to claim Massie "hates border security," because he doesn't want the government censoring speech.

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Claim 4: Massie's push to release the Epstein files proves he's "anti-Trump."
If so, then Trump is "anti-Trump," since he signed Massie's bill. The bill was also supported every member of Congress but one.

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Claim 5: He hates Israel! (Also Ukraine, Taiwan, and other countries we're lavishing with U.S. foreign aid.)
Massie votes against all foreign aid. It has nothing to do with hating other countries. Sixty-two percent of Republicans agree with him.
Maybe that's why AIPAC's super PAC, "United Democracy Project," has to use shell companies to hide its massive spending against Massie as reported by Politico. UDP spokesman Patrick Dorton calls Massie, "the most anti-Israel Republican in the House."




I don't really give a **** what his reasons were. That's inconsequential. His job is to be a reliable Republican vote on major legislation. He wasn't. He's gone.

OK then you cannot adequately explain how Massie is not conservative. Since you can't, you have shifted to "Massie did not vote lock step with the GOP". (The GOP is not a conservative party)

That isn't not the premise.


Because I don't particularly give a **** if he's your version of conservative, or any version of conservative.

I care that he's Republican and votes Republican. And so do other republicans which is why he ****ing lost.
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So just say you identify as a republican not conservative. It's okay lol
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Teslag said:

Keyno said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Teslag said:

Keyno said:

Ag with kids said:

Keyno said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

They'll never answer that question.

He has to bend the knee and align/vote with everything the modern day GOP is doing or he's "aligning with democrats". Just throw out his beliefs that he campaigned on and promised his voters and fall in line when he gets into Washington.

It really is insane that they cannot answer. It's a simple question.

He answered. Sorry you don't like the answer.

He has voted numerous times AND sponsored legislation with the far left Democrats.

But, if that makes him super conservative to you, so be it...

He did not answer. He tried to conflate "if Massie is a conservative" with "did Massie vote lockstep with the GOP" which is not a conservative party. Cheap trick and does not work

Voting and enabling liberal democrats is not conservative no matter how many times you try to hand wave it away.

It is an unforgivable sin.

these reasons aren't conservative and is an unforgivable sin according to you?

https://anncoulter.substack.com/p/the-lies-about-rep-thomas-massie
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Claim 1: Massie "opposed the SAVE Act," requiring proof of citizenship to vote in federal elections.
Absurd Massie has repeatedly supported the SAVE Act, He voted YES on the SAVE Act itself on the floor multiple times, and has publicly stated his support for voter ID/proof of citizenship to vote, and urged the Senate to pass the bill.
He voted NO on a single procedural rule that bundled the bill with a provision suspending the normal 24-hour notice rules for ALL spending bills and other measures.

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Claim 2: Massie "supported transgenders in women's bathrooms."
Utterly preposterous. Massie has NEVER supported any bill to allowing biological males in women's bathrooms in schools, prisons, or federal buildings.

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Claim 3: Massie voted against funding the Department of Homeland Security.
Another smear that collapses under the briefest scrutiny.
The DHS appropriations bill included funding for the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) the Democrats' censorship machine, used by the Biden administration to suppress truthful information about COVID, and Hunter Biden's laptop, among other things.
THAT was what Massie objected to as he has publicly explained multiple times.
Maybe he should have accepted government spying and censoring of Americans in exchange for the rest of the DHS bill. (Another idea: Maybe Republicans should have stripped CISA funding from the bill.) But it's absurd to claim Massie "hates border security," because he doesn't want the government censoring speech.

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Claim 4: Massie's push to release the Epstein files proves he's "anti-Trump."
If so, then Trump is "anti-Trump," since he signed Massie's bill. The bill was also supported every member of Congress but one.

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Claim 5: He hates Israel! (Also Ukraine, Taiwan, and other countries we're lavishing with U.S. foreign aid.)
Massie votes against all foreign aid. It has nothing to do with hating other countries. Sixty-two percent of Republicans agree with him.
Maybe that's why AIPAC's super PAC, "United Democracy Project," has to use shell companies to hide its massive spending against Massie as reported by Politico. UDP spokesman Patrick Dorton calls Massie, "the most anti-Israel Republican in the House."




I don't really give a **** what his reasons were. That's inconsequential. His job is to be a reliable Republican vote on major legislation. He wasn't. He's gone.

OK then you cannot adequately explain how Massie is not conservative. Since you can't, you have shifted to "Massie did not vote lock step with the GOP". (The GOP is not a conservative party)

That isn't not the premise.


Because I don't particularly give a **** if he's your version of conservative, or any version of conservative.

I care that he's Republican and votes Republican. And so do other republicans which is why he ****ing lost.

Thank you for finally admitting what I have been saying. You cannot adequately explain how he is not conservative (which was the original premise of this particular debate). All you care about is if he is a GOP partisan shill no matter what.
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You can't align with and enable liberal democrats and claim to be a conservative. Period the end.
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

Can I not bring up why he worked with Ro Khanna since you consistently bring him up?

You bring up what you want to. You just are not going to project a false position on me. That's trolling.
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Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Massie isn't an actual conservative. Open your eyes.

He's showing you who his allies have always been right now.

What part of his views aren't conservative?


The view where it's acceptable to empower and align with liberal democrats.

And what part of his views/beliefs did he align with liberal democrats?


The most important, his votes.

Such as?
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flown-the-coop said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Can I not bring up why he worked with Ro Khanna since you consistently bring him up?

You bring up what you want to. You just are not going to project a false position on me. That's trolling.
What false position did I project?
Teslag
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And the premise of this thread was that Massey was worse than McCain. And he is/was.
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Ag83 said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Massie isn't an actual conservative. Open your eyes.

He's showing you who his allies have always been right now.

What part of his views aren't conservative?


The view where it's acceptable to empower and align with liberal democrats.

And what part of his views/beliefs did he align with liberal democrats?


The most important, his votes.

Such as?

Perhaps a reading of the thread will enlightened you.

Don't snipe in to regurgitate things that have been asked and answered for over a week now.
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Teslag said:

You can't align with and enable liberal democrats and claim to be a conservative. Period the end.

Again, where he went with the Democrats (and why) has been addressed.

You are basically saying "you cannot agree with a Democrat on anything" which is just a terrible position
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Keyno said:

Teslag said:

You can't align with and enable liberal democrats and claim to be a conservative. Period the end.

Again, where he went with the Democrats (and why) has been addressed.

You are basically saying "you cannot agree with a Democrat on anything" which is just a terrible position


I am 100% saying you can't vote with democrats on any major legislation. Ever. Never. Ever.
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The GOP used to be about the things Massie supports. MAGA too. However, not anymore.

It was insane to see how the F16 narrative on Epstein changed. It was almost overnight. Epstein had more to do with the Massie election than we think.
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flown-the-coop said:


reading


For the gheys
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Teslag said:

Keyno said:

Teslag said:

You can't align with and enable liberal democrats and claim to be a conservative. Period the end.

Again, where he went with the Democrats (and why) has been addressed.

You are basically saying "you cannot agree with a Democrat on anything" which is just a terrible position


I am 100% saying you can't vote with democrats on any major legislation. Ever. Never. Ever.

Got it. GOP partisan shill or NOT conservative.
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

flown-the-coop said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Can I not bring up why he worked with Ro Khanna since you consistently bring him up?

You bring up what you want to. You just are not going to project a false position on me. That's trolling.

What false position did I project?

Here you go.
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So you were against releasing the Epstein Files. That's a little odd, but your entitlied to your opinion

Sad the low level you will stoop to in your proud service to Saint Massie.

Also, its spelled e-n-t-i-t-l-e-d (entitled) and yes I am.
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Even if in the bill there are leftist laws/funding?
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Teslag said:

Keyno said:

Teslag said:

You can't align with and enable liberal democrats and claim to be a conservative. Period the end.

Again, where he went with the Democrats (and why) has been addressed.

You are basically saying "you cannot agree with a Democrat on anything" which is just a terrible position


I am 100% saying you can't vote with democrats on any major legislation. Ever. Never. Ever.


What about financially and vocally supporting their Presidential run? Calling them good at their jobs?
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flown-the-coop said:

Ag83 said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Massie isn't an actual conservative. Open your eyes.

He's showing you who his allies have always been right now.

What part of his views aren't conservative?


The view where it's acceptable to empower and align with liberal democrats.

And what part of his views/beliefs did he align with liberal democrats?


The most important, his votes.

Such as?

Perhaps a reading of the thread will enlightened you.

Don't snipe in to regurgitate things that have been asked and answered for over a week now.

GFY on the "sniping". Answer a question or ignore it. I don't care (especially about your opinion on anything. Everyone on this board knows where you live)
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Keyno said:

Teslag said:

You can't align with and enable liberal democrats and claim to be a conservative. Period the end.

Again, where he went with the Democrats (and why) has been addressed.

You are basically saying "you cannot agree with a Democrat on anything" which is just a terrible position

Massie spent his time agreeing with Dems and disagreeing with Rs. As an R, that's a problem.

This is not hard.
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But you bring up him working across the isle with Ro Khanna for this as a bad thing? Did you not support the bill the put together?
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flown-the-coop said:

Keyno said:

Teslag said:

You can't align with and enable liberal democrats and claim to be a conservative. Period the end.

Again, where he went with the Democrats (and why) has been addressed.

You are basically saying "you cannot agree with a Democrat on anything" which is just a terrible position

Massie spent his time agreeing with Dems and disagreeing with Rs. As an R, that's a problem.

This is not hard.

ALL of the time? Or a few specific times? (BBB, Epstein file transparency)
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Ag83 said:

flown-the-coop said:

Ag83 said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Teslag said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

Massie isn't an actual conservative. Open your eyes.

He's showing you who his allies have always been right now.

What part of his views aren't conservative?


The view where it's acceptable to empower and align with liberal democrats.

And what part of his views/beliefs did he align with liberal democrats?


The most important, his votes.

Such as?

Perhaps a reading of the thread will enlightened you.

Don't snipe in to regurgitate things that have been asked and answered for over a week now.

GFY on the "sniping". Answer a question or ignore it. I don't care (especially about your opinion on anything. Everyone on this board knows where you live)

I answered the question by telling you to read the thread. This is not a place where you demand people provide you information when its served freely to those willing to spend some time.

I know you don't care much about anything other than derails, snipes and bizarro demands.

What is the bizarre comment about anyone knowing where I live? There are some posters who I would welcome at my house, there are some I would not. But I have no idea why that would be relevant to any discussion on a politics board.
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flown-the-coop said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

flown-the-coop said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

Can I not bring up why he worked with Ro Khanna since you consistently bring him up?

You bring up what you want to. You just are not going to project a false position on me. That's trolling.

What false position did I project?

Here you go.
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So you were against releasing the Epstein Files. That's a little odd, but your entitlied to your opinion

Sad the low level you will stoop to in your proud service to Saint Massie.

Also, its spelled e-n-t-i-t-l-e-d (entitled) and yes I am.


And it's "you're".

Your spelling police badge just got revoked.
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

But you bring up him working across the isle with Ro Khanna for this as a bad thing? Did you not support the bill the put together?

Here it is. I found the thread you seem interested in discussing.

As mentioned, I made my positions perfectly clear.

DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list | TexAgs
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flown-the-coop said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

But you bring up him working across the isle with Ro Khanna for this as a bad thing? Did you not support the bill the put together?

Here it is. I found the thread you seem interested in discussing.

As mentioned, I made my positions perfectly clear.

DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list | TexAgs
Just stop bringing up Ro Khanna if you don't also want the facts on why he worked across the isle. End of discussion.

And I don't even have to read that thread, to know your stance on that topic. Defending the admin. Let's move on and not derail.
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You may want to check that BigRob...
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Queso1 said:

Even if in the bill there are leftist laws/funding?


Yes. Don't like it go run as a democrat or independent
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DeepETX_Aggie said:

flown-the-coop said:

DeepETX_Aggie said:

But you bring up him working across the isle with Ro Khanna for this as a bad thing? Did you not support the bill the put together?

Here it is. I found the thread you seem interested in discussing.

As mentioned, I made my positions perfectly clear.

DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list | TexAgs

Just stop being up Ro Khanna if you don't want to also want the facts on why he worked across the isle. End of discussion.

And I don't even have to read that thread, to know your stance on that topic. Defending the admin. Let's move on and not derail.

When you continue to lie about things, the discussion is not ended. And go read the thread so maybe you can begin to discuss things from an honest perspective and not the false projection.


Other items Massie partnered with Khanna on.
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War Powers Resolution on Iran (20252026): They co-led H.Con.Res. 38, a bipartisan resolution to prohibit unauthorized U.S. military involvement in Iran (or hostilities against it) without congressional approval, reaffirming Congress's constitutional role under Article I. It gained dozens of cosponsors (mostly Democrats, with Massie as the main Republican lead). They worked to force floor votes via discharge petitions amid tensions with Iran/Israel. This earned them joint recognition, such as the Quincy Institute's 2025 Award for Responsible Statecraft. massie.house.gov

Espionage Act Reform Act (re-introduced 2022, with Sen. Ron Wyden): They teamed up (Khanna and Massie in the House) to reform the Espionage Act, aiming to better protect journalists publishing classified info and whistleblowers reporting waste/fraud/abuse, while strengthening First Amendment safeguards. wyden.senate.gov

No Immunity for Glyphosate Act (H.R. 7601, introduced Feb. 2026): Massie introduced it with Khanna as a cosponsor (along with others like Chellie Pingree). It seeks to block federal funds for implementing an executive order that would promote glyphosate (e.g., Roundup) and grant manufacturers liability immunity. govinfo.gov


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Wow. Ok. At least we know what we are dealing with.
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Seems perfectly reasonable.
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Queso1 said:

Wow. Ok. At least we know what we are dealing with.

It always is satisfying to get someone to admit they do not care about whether someone is conservative. Only that they vote in lockstep with the GOP NO MATTER WHAT. (GOP is not a conservative party btw)
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So protecting whistleblowers reporting waste/fraud/abuse and not allowing glyphosate manufacturers federal immunity, great bills they team'd up on!!
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Queso1 said:

Wow. Ok. At least we know what we are dealing with.


Yep. A republican.
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WE HAVE TO DESTROY CONSERVATISM TO SAVE CONSERVATISM!
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Queso1 said:

WE HAVE TO DESTROY CONSERVATISM TO SAVE CONSERVATISM!

Define conservatism. Then get everyone to agree with your definition. And... GO!
 
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