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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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Republicans have run the state for 30+ years. There's plenty of blame to go around

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I can guarantee you Republicans have nothing to do with the failures in Austin ISD. A locally elected board runs the district, not state officials.

If Republican state officials take it over, they'll get it fixed.

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It won't get fixed because probably 90 percent of the teachers and admin are hardcore liberals

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double aught said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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Republicans have run the state for 30+ years. There's plenty of blame to go around

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State doesn't run school districts unless the state is forced to take one over.

If the state ran the schools in this state, there would be less than 20 failing districts in the state, much less than over 20 in one ****ed Jo district.

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The TEA runs public education in Texas. The governor appoints the decision makers at TEA. TEA is in charge of state curriculum and educational guidelines that all public school.districts and public schools must follow. Public school districts can only purchase TEA approved curriculum, books, software, etc.

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Science Denier said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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Republicans have run the state for 30+ years. There's plenty of blame to go around

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State doesn't run school districts unless the state is forced to take one over.

If the state ran the schools in this state, there would be less than 20 failing districts in the state, much less than over 20 in one ****ed Jo district.

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The TEA runs public education in Texas. The governor appoints the decision makers at TEA. TEA is in charge of state curriculum and educational guidelines that all public school.districts and public schools must follow. Public school districts can only purchase TEA approved curriculum, books, software, etc.

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The curriculum isn't the problem. Teachers don't teach it.

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That is not the experience my kids have had. What school district are your kids enrolled in?

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Science Denier said:

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murphyag said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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Republicans have run the state for 30+ years. There's plenty of blame to go around

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State doesn't run school districts unless the state is forced to take one over.

If the state ran the schools in this state, there would be less than 20 failing districts in the state, much less than over 20 in one ****ed Jo district.

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The TEA runs public education in Texas. The governor appoints the decision makers at TEA. TEA is in charge of state curriculum and educational guidelines that all public school.districts and public schools must follow. Public school districts can only purchase TEA approved curriculum, books, software, etc.

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The curriculum isn't the problem. Teachers don't teach it.

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That is not the experience my kids have had. What school district are your kids enrolled in?

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My kids are out. Went to private schools. Zero chance I'd put them in the **** show that is public schools. My wife taught for 10 years.

I mean. Taking kids out of school to protest. Trans with no parent notification. I could write a book in the **** that goes on in our schools.

Science Denier said:

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murphyag said:

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Science Denier said:

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murphyag said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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Republicans have run the state for 30+ years. There's plenty of blame to go around

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State doesn't run school districts unless the state is forced to take one over.

If the state ran the schools in this state, there would be less than 20 failing districts in the state, much less than over 20 in one ****ed Jo district.

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The TEA runs public education in Texas. The governor appoints the decision makers at TEA. TEA is in charge of state curriculum and educational guidelines that all public school.districts and public schools must follow. Public school districts can only purchase TEA approved curriculum, books, software, etc.

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The curriculum isn't the problem. Teachers don't teach it.

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That is not the experience my kids have had. What school district are your kids enrolled in?

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My kids are out. Went to private schools. Zero chance I'd put them in the **** show that is public schools. My wife taught for 10 years.

I mean. Taking kids out of school to protest. Trans with no parent notification. I could write a book in the **** that goes on in our schools.

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My kids did both private and public. In our experience, the public school teachers my kids had were all as good or better than their private school teachers.

murphyag said:

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Science Denier said:

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Ag87H2O said:

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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Republicans have run the state for 30+ years. There's plenty of blame to go around

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State doesn't run school districts unless the state is forced to take one over.

If the state ran the schools in this state, there would be less than 20 failing districts in the state, much less than over 20 in one ****ed Jo district.

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The TEA runs public education in Texas. The governor appoints the decision makers at TEA. TEA is in charge of state curriculum and educational guidelines that all public school.districts and public schools must follow. Public school districts can only purchase TEA approved curriculum, books, software, etc.

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TEA isn't setting local district budgets, hiring teachers, or responsible for what actually goes on in the classrooms. That is all under control of the locally elected boards.

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I will continue to say that isn't a funding problem it is a parent problem…if there is no reinforcement at home on what is being taught at school, or parents just don't care, then the kids will fail….money doesn't equal results in education.

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It's only a parent problem if the parent is a teacher. Teachers and their liberal ideas to ruin kids are the problem. Sending kids out of school protest is the prime example.

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Til Tok is not the real world. Most teachers are fine. Or would be if anything near what we would call discipline and proper student behavior was allowed to exist in the classroom. All it takes is a few bad actors to tank an entire classroom and the Modern! Education! Professionals! that have metastasized throughout most large district administrations simply will not remove them.

Dems and left wing policies have done wonders with public schools. Isn't it amazing to see how well they've been doing the last 40 years?

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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But it's Abbott's fault don't you know? If the state would just give them more money, then they'd show you...

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I will continue to say that isn't a funding problem it is a parent problem…if there is no reinforcement at home on what is being taught at school, or parents just don't care, then the kids will fail….money doesn't equal results in education.

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It's only a parent problem if the parent is a teacher. Teachers and their liberal ideas to ruin kids are the problem. Sending kids out of school protest is the prime example.

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Til Tok is not the real world. Most teachers are fine. Or would be if anything near what we would call discipline and proper student behavior was allowed to exist in the classroom. All it takes is a few bad actors to tank an entire classroom and the Modern! Education! Professionals! that have metastasized throughout most large district administrations simply will not remove them.

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I guarantee the teachers in the 20+ failing schools don't have good teachers. They don't have good administrators. And the probably blame parents and have zero accountability.

And, I wonder how many students in this failing schools were at the no kings BS instead of being taught how to read, write and perform math problems.

Since that's the discussion.

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I will continue to say that isn't a funding problem it is a parent problem…if there is no reinforcement at home on what is being taught at school, or parents just don't care, then the kids will fail….money doesn't equal results in education.

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That may have been true in a time long past, but not anymore. What is being taught in school is significantly less rigorous than any of the older generations would have experienced.

Before permanently yanking my daughter out of public school, albeit here in California, though a conservative "red" county, I observed teaching heavily focused on environmentalism, native Americans (i.e., indigenous Californians), learning about other cultures, and psuedo-psychology treatment (e.g., teaching my daughter that she is "stressed" when doing school work and taking a time out - literally teaching her to be anxious) while across the board student reading and math scores were below standard.

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That's fair, but speaking just to the reading, that is again something a parent can reinforce…work with them, have them read, etc…math is a whole other deal, I am good at math and could work with my kids up to a certain point and then I was out…clearly there are parents that aren't good at math, so that solely on the teacher.

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I suck at higher level math but my son has crushed it, very little I could do for him past Algebra and he just finished Diff EQ in college. Not from natural ability or great teachers but because there are 1000 resources on the internet now and you just need to work at it if you have any inclination at all. He is mainly self taught.

We did it!

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Dems and left wing policies have done wonders with public schools. Isn't it amazing to see how well they've been doing the last 40 years?

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There is always only one solution for them, throw more of other people's money at it and don't ask questions how it is spent.

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MelvinUdall said:

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I will continue to say that isn't a funding problem it is a parent problem…if there is no reinforcement at home on what is being taught at school, or parents just don't care, then the kids will fail….money doesn't equal results in education.

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It's only a parent problem if the parent is a teacher. Teachers and their liberal ideas to ruin kids are the problem. Sending kids out of school protest is the prime example.

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Til Tok is not the real world. Most teachers are fine. Or would be if anything near what we would call discipline and proper student behavior was allowed to exist in the classroom. All it takes is a few bad actors to tank an entire classroom and the Modern! Education! Professionals! that have metastasized throughout most large district administrations simply will not remove them.

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I guarantee the teachers in the 20+ failing schools don't have good teachers. They don't have good administrators. And the probably blame parents and have zero accountability.

And, I wonder how many students in this failing schools were at the no kings BS instead of being taught how to read, write and perform math problems.

Since that's the discussion.

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Good teachers want to teach kids that want to learn and have parents and administrators that support them. They will take less money to show up in that environment as well and will gladly trade salary for sanity and actually making an impact. Good teachers don't want to be babysitters with kids that DGAF. That's the key component. It's far more important than money or any special program. Kids adapt to the environment you put them in. If you expect much of them and enforce discipline you will get great results. If you let them be victims and make excuses they will flounder. That's why you see schools that spend a fraction of what these other schools spend and have great results. It's why a kid from a poor rural school with 2 parents that push them and discipline them will do well

A former Principal told me that a school is "as good as what walks through the front door every morning and what matters in most cases is the education level of the primary caregiver(s)."

Where I live, schools less than 5 miles from each other are drastically different b/c of the student populations. One teacher I know at one of the lesser schools who seems like a dedicated and caring teacher said you can only do so much when most of your class doesn't speak English well and doesn't have the support at home or outside resources. How do you compare that school to a school 5 minutes away where the kids have so much more available to them?

Take the kids from a top school and move them to the worst school but leave the teachers. The worst school will soon be the best.

There are definitely smart kids from bad schools who will succeed but the school as a whole always get graded on their lowest performers.

It's what Austin Liberals have done for decades.



Screw the poor.

MelvinUdall said:

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I will continue to say that isn't a funding problem it is a parent problem…if there is no reinforcement at home on what is being taught at school, or parents just don't care, then the kids will fail….money doesn't equal results in education.

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I'd be willing to bet it's a demographics problem.

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A former Principal told me that a school is "as good as what walks through the front door every morning and what matters in most cases is the education level of the primary caregiver(s)."

Where I live, schools less than 5 miles from each other are drastically different b/c of the student populations. One teacher I know at one of the lesser schools who seems like a dedicated and caring teacher said you can only do so much when most of your class doesn't speak English well and doesn't have the support at home or outside resources. How do you compare that school to a school 5 minutes away where the kids have so much more available to them?

Take the kids from a top school and move them to the worst school but leave the teachers. The worst school will soon be the best.

There are definitely smart kids from bad schools who will succeed but the school as a whole always get graded on their lowest performers.

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No doubt but those schools also are doing nothing to address those issues. Instead they are spending triple what the best schools do for horrific results and more debt. They aren't getting parents involved. They aren't enforcing discipline. They aren't focused on teaching basics of the 3 R's. So their only solution is to try to guilt taxpayers to give them more money.

The other thing many schools need to do is embrace trades and other alternatives as a path to education, that might actually engage a lot of those kids. Trying to keep everyone on a pre college track is insanity. Problem is they are liberals who fantasize about college as the end all be all.

There is just no creativity around actually addressing the problems outside of "let's build really nice buildings and have super cool computers and hope kids will be inspired!" and other lunacy.

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A former Principal told me that a school is "as good as what walks through the front door every morning and what matters in most cases is the education level of the primary caregiver(s)."

Where I live, schools less than 5 miles from each other are drastically different b/c of the student populations. One teacher I know at one of the lesser schools who seems like a dedicated and caring teacher said you can only do so much when most of your class doesn't speak English well and doesn't have the support at home or outside resources. How do you compare that school to a school 5 minutes away where the kids have so much more available to them?

Take the kids from a top school and move them to the worst school but leave the teachers. The worst school will soon be the best.

There are definitely smart kids from bad schools who will succeed but the school as a whole always get graded on their lowest performers.

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No doubt but those schools also are doing nothing to address those issues. Instead they are spending triple what the best schools do for horrific results and more debt. They aren't getting parents involved. They aren't enforcing discipline. They aren't focused on teaching basics of the 3 R's. So their only solution is to try to guilt taxpayers to give them more money.

The other thing many schools need to do is embrace trades and other alternatives as a path to education, that might actually engage a lot of those kids. Trying to keep everyone on a pre college track is insanity. Problem is they are liberals who fantasize about college as the end all be all.

There is just no creativity around actually addressing the problems outside of "let's build really nice buildings and have super cool computers and hope kids will be inspired!" and other lunacy.

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Yep.

Schools that are FAILING and take these kids to NO KINGS protest have a teacher and administration problem.

Not only was that some stupid political stunt, removing kids from schools THAT ARE FAILING shows the incompetence and the lack of even caring about the welfare of the students. Only their political indoctrination.

We are not talking about being below average. FAILING.

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Your statement is true to some extent but is not true across the board. Admins give some of these teachers an almost impossible task and then get upset when the school as a whole fails. It is not just academics…same goes for sports, band, orchestra, etc. I am surprised this is not common sense for more people. Same thing for HS coaches. Have good players…you will win. It always cracks me up when they fire a HS coach knowing what they had to work with. Westlake, Vanderbilt and Lake Travis….those communities build these teams from an early age. Chad Morris did an interview about the success at LT and said this. The HS gets the benefit of it in end. I am sure the coaches are great but what they start with is really the reason for their success.

Having successful kids is due to so many factors including genetics and sometimes luck. I see kids from our school who have so much time and money invested in them to be prepared for college that I feel sorry for the regular kids.

Totally agree about trades. We are a diverse group in our abilities, initiative, etc. We should exploit that but schools don't get the final say many times….the parents have the most influence.

I totally agree we need to improve things and hold bad teachers, admins and policies accountable but there is rate limiting step for success and it isn't the teachers for the most part imo.

It is a complex issue obviously and it would be nice if we could really make meaningful changes at all levels for these kids and our communities. It is a huge task with no one taking the dominant role to lead it, however.

I didn't read but let me guess if it's a demographic issue….

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One of the primary reasons for the housing explosion in the 'burbs around Austin is that parents that work in Austin don't want their kids going to school there. AISD is a commie cesspool. Student enrollment continues to drop while the population of Austin/Travis Co continues to soar. Meanwhile student enrollment is Leander, Cedar Park, Georgetown, Liberty Hill, Kyle, Buda, etc, continues to go up and up.

Austin just sucks across the board. When we moved here almost 26 years ago, it was weird, but it was fun and safe. Outside of having a date night at the Arboretum or Domain, we never go in to Austin for anything. Thank you toll system for making that a reality.

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Wife (t.u. Grad) and I loved Austin when we first started dating from 2008-2010, before relocating to Houston. We went back for a little weekend trip in 2018 hoping to relive some nostalgia and could not believe how wildly different it was. She kept saying "where are the men". Every place we went was scooter riding soyboys. She kept commenting on how much more masculine men were in College Station.

The parts of downtown that used to be fun and somewhat upscale just seemed trashy. 6th street was more ghetto than ever. It was like the soul had been almost completely sucked from the city. Only area that still kind of felt the same was S Congress. Then there was the traffic. Felt every bit as bad as Houston, possibly worse.

Austin in the 90's and early 2000's was pretty sweet. I bet growing up there in the 70's, 80's or 90's would have been pretty awesome.

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Graduated from Westlake in 91.

80s Austin was second to none.

If we didn't have to educate illegals the numbers would look a lot better. We certainly wouldn't be throwing as much money at public education and the outcomes would be much better. You have that issue plus the over the top woke Austin metro and failure is the natural outcome.

This should surprise no one. Almost all large cities have terrible schools. It's a function of being a city of 1M. There is no way back once you get that big. It's lost.

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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But it's Abbott's fault don't you know? If the state would just give them more money, then they'd show you...

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I do believe Abbott should be held accountable for certain problems in public schools. He is the person who appointed Mike Morath to head the TEA and has kept him in the position for 10 years. Morath had never worked in a classroom or school before Abbott appointed him to head the TEA. His only experience related to education was that he'd been a Dallas ISD school board member. Dallas ISD didn't improve any during the time Morath was on the school board. Why hire and keep a loser in the position for 10 years? Why not hire someone with classroom experience who went on to actually lead a successful school district? Hiring someone sheety at their job for an even larger and more important role makes zero sense. Failure breeds failure. Besides my opinions about Morath related to his work at the TEA, I met him several times when he was in Dallas through mutual acquaintances. I found him to be a dewsh who gave off major con artist vibes.

They are F in education but A++ for creating unthinking, blindly democrat voting drones.
Which is the aim for AustinISD

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Democrats - doing less with more since ... forever.

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But it's Abbott's fault don't you know? If the state would just give them more money, then they'd show you...

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I do believe Abbott should be held accountable for certain problems in public schools. He is the person who appointed Mike Morath to head the TEA and has kept him in the position for 10 years. Morath had never worked in a classroom or school before Abbott appointed him to head the TEA. His only experience related to education was that he'd been a Dallas ISD school board member. Dallas ISD didn't improve any during the time Morath was on the school board. Why hire and keep a loser in the position for 10 years? Why not hire someone with classroom experience who went on to actually lead a successful school district? Hiring someone sheety at their job for an even larger and more important role makes zero sense. Failure breeds failure. Besides my opinions about Morath related to his work at the TEA, I met him several times when he was in Dallas through mutual acquaintances. I found him to be a dewsh who gave off major con artist vibes.

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Schools taken over by the State have improved as stated in the article (such as in Houston), not sure why you are blaming him. It's not like Austin ISD is doing what he wants, let's see how they do after they get taken over.

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AISD serves a lot of poor (50.2% of enrollment), special ed (16.4%), and emerging bilingual (31.3%) students. Not sure what emerging means here, but I guess it means their household does not speak English as a primary language.

I am sure the low performance of the students owe in large part those factors. Solution? I have no clue, however I don't think it's a matter of not spending enough. I think AISD has plenty of resources already. They just need to spend it where it should be spent, and the public should know the schools won't perform well if they are educating kids that are far behind their peers in class.

https://www.austinisd.org/sites/default/files/dept/board/docs/scorecard/AISD_Student_Performance_Data.pdf

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I see three of my schools on this list - Barrington, Webb, and Dobie. My family moved the summer before I was to start Dobie. The neighborhood was starting to change when we left and it eventually developed into the hood with drugs and hookers. It was commie Greg Cesar's old district.

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Austin in the 90's and early 2000's was pretty sweet. I bet growing up there in the 70's, 80's or 90's would have been pretty awesome.

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Yes, it was. It's shameful what was lost.

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Your statement is true to some extent but is not true across the board. Admins give some of these teachers an almost impossible task and then get upset when the school as a whole fails. It is not just academics…same goes for sports, band, orchestra, etc. I am surprised this is not common sense for more people. Same thing for HS coaches. Have good players…you will win. It always cracks me up when they fire a HS coach knowing what they had to work with. Westlake, Vanderbilt and Lake Travis….those communities build these teams from an early age. Chad Morris did an interview about the success at LT and said this. The HS gets the benefit of it in end. I am sure the coaches are great but what they start with is really the reason for their success.

Having successful kids is due to so many factors including genetics and sometimes luck. I see kids from our school who have so much time and money invested in them to be prepared for college that I feel sorry for the regular kids.

Totally agree about trades. We are a diverse group in our abilities, initiative, etc. We should exploit that but schools don't get the final say many times….the parents have the most influence.

I totally agree we need to improve things and hold bad teachers, admins and policies accountable but there is rate limiting step for success and it isn't the teachers for the most part imo.

It is a complex issue obviously and it would be nice if we could really make meaningful changes at all levels for these kids and our communities. It is a huge task with no one taking the dominant role to lead it, however.

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I didn't blame teachers (at least I think they are generally less to blame), I understand the position they are put in with these schools. My point is that these schools have failing systems and are doubling and tripling down on the same failed policies. It's about spending insane amounts of money with a continual decrease in results and the only solution is "give us more money".

FWIW the best students in Austin ISD go to LASA (Liberal Arts and Science Academy) which is the magnet school for Austin ISD which is one of the best schools in Texas. So obviously they can produce with good kids and teachers as noted. There are benefits to that system but consequences as well.

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Old checking in….Graduated from a DallasISD school in the early 80s as did everyone in our neighborhood. The only kids who went to private schools were staunch Catholics and rich kids (Saint Marks). My graduating class was very diverse. Everyone got along famously (still do) and eventually had very successful careers. Fast forward to 2026. The school is 100% Hispanic with 100x the athletic and academic facilities that we had. The school excels at nothing. It is surrounded by $1 million plus houses which fly pride flags and will soon be littered with Talerico signs. The kids in those homes all (100%) go to private schools. Welcome to the liberal dream.

"Where liberalism flourishes misery follows." - Rush Limbaugh

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The northern schools in DISD, particularly Hillcrest and even Bryan Adams, were pretty good back then. TJ, White, and Woodrow weren't far behind. North Dallas was, at the time, in a terrible area and the other schools, while not trash, were headed that way fast.

By the mid-90s, things had changed drastically. You could no longer say any of the schools were decent, much less good. I don't know that DISD had open enrollment back in your day. Also, there are more private school options now -- and its been that way for a long time.

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So the tax dollars from Vandegrift gets taken by Robin Hood policies so it can be set on fire by Austin.

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Isn't Austin ISD a district that pays, not receives, from other districts?

Yes. Austin pays more than any other district by a wide margin according to this, but it's a few years old. In 24-25 more than half their tax revenue was "subject to recapture"

https://www.austinisd.org/budget/recapture

"Recapture" of funds another district has no right to sounds a lot like a "buy back" of guns the government never owned.