Javelina said:
Contact info? Or buy a star for a month so I can PM you?
Any of you hate your job?
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Got it. Will take a look when not cooking for guests. Thanks!
No worries, it's the holidays. I'm having a drink and watching football myself.
Praying that I'm officially a graduate of this thread. I am currently in the airport waiting to board a flight, training for my new gig. Same company, different department. Its a slightly controversial move, because its a totally different pay scale. But I've worked weekends and commission for 7 years and I couldn't do it anymore, so when I got tapped for this position, I lept at the opportunity and its one where I get a lot of exposure to the COO/CFO/CEO...so overall ceiling for career is way higher.
Good luck. You got this.
Glad to hear that!
It unfortunately seems to be way more common these days for a company to rather have a good employee leave from unhappiness with their situation than to acknowledge reality and care enough to find a better fit for both sides. So count yourself fortunate to have this opportunity.
I hope it works out for you and the company.
It unfortunately seems to be way more common these days for a company to rather have a good employee leave from unhappiness with their situation than to acknowledge reality and care enough to find a better fit for both sides. So count yourself fortunate to have this opportunity.
I hope it works out for you and the company.
Cromagnum said:
So Tesla waited a month from my interview with the 2nd round interview with the hiring manager to send me an auto rejection on new years day. And to further **** on the New Year, it looks like everyone else set their systems to send all the auto-rejections today. My inbox is s dumpster fire with it today.
Here's to to 2+ more months unemployed while I start completely over.
I can commiserate. This is the worst I've ever seen the job market and hiring process in my life. I'm 100% convinced that in an effort to remove bias, HR has ensured many qualified individuals can't even get interviews. Corporate HR, AI and technology has completely F'ed the system.
And to drive the nail home, corporate HR has all but ensured current employees can get resumes of people they know can do the job in front of hiring managers. Everything has to go through the hiring portal only to eliminate unfair hiring. Which wouldn't matter, except that means technology systems and HR reps that have no understanding of the certifications, terminology, or the role itself are now completely in control of deciding what resumes are seen by people that do. And essentially nullifies our reputation, networking and the relationships we spent a career building. All while HR reps keep saying that's not the case.
I've gotten to the final home stretch of being hired a couple of times now in the last 12-18 months only to watch something that has nothing to do with me and I have no control over kill the deal. It's hard to admit, but this has been sole crushing and hard on my mental health. Thankfully, while my job really sucks I still mostly get paid on time and sometimes even the right amount.
I actually have a little hope at the moment. I circled back through my network and reached out to everyone again for only God knows the Nth time. Hat in hand I essentially begged for help. One of my good connections made some call on my behalf. I've had conversations with 3 different directors or managing directors now at her firm regarding my experience filling a gap they have. Now I have another waiting game as they work to build a business case to get permission to hire me in the middle of a hiring freeze at their firm. My guess is it will take until Q2, if it happens. But they've all said the right things to make me believe they want to hire me and are willing to run the gauntlet to try and make it happen. Just back to waiting to see if it actually happens and keep looking for jobs otherwise and applying.
All I can say is do whatever you need to in order to keep your head right and your search moving forward. That's sometimes meant I had to open up and talk through my frustrations with my wife and vent even though I'm the normal dumbass type A male who doesn't like to be vulnerable. That's sometimes meant stepping away from the search for a week or two even though it gave me anxiety to do so just to catch my breath and rebuild the conviction to get back into the search.
Good luck!
Yep, its complete crap these days. I just got an auto-reject from a company I interned with for 3 summers and whom I have family that has spent their entire career with. Literally checked every single box for a role and got the "we are going with candidates who are a better fit."
If you dont have an inside track, you don't even get looked at. I guarantee nobody even read my resume.
If you dont have an inside track, you don't even get looked at. I guarantee nobody even read my resume.
Jbob04 said:
I'm currently in this situation. I'm flat out miserable. I've been in my role for 13 years and like Hoyt, I'm in the coal industry. It's obviously a dying industry so there is no future. I have easy hours and a company truck that I can use for personal use. That's the only two reasons I've stayed as long as I have.
I live in a rural area so good jobs are hard to find around here. We are pretty grounded where we are so we don't want to move, which limits job opportunities too.
I'm sick of the commute each day. Sick of trying to hire good workers. Nobody wants to work anymore. Whatever my next job is, I do not want to supervise people.
I'm still searching for my next opportunity. Going on 14 years here and we got bought out by a large corporation at the end of last year. They sent an email yesterday saying they are taking company trucks away once our leases end. That will be close to a $20k per year pay cut for me.
I have had a lot of interviews as of late. A few are pretty promising, especially the 2nd rounder I have this Friday. Would require a cross country move, but I am ready to close the chapter on CO and start fresh somewhere.
Maybe it was communicated that this wouldnt happen but when we did the same, we just bumped pay for those affected on the other side of the decision.
Essentially it's a tax compliance benefit for the company to make that move.
Currently they are tracking personal versus business use, imputing some amount of income equivalent to the lease rate of a car you would have been using for personal use and counting that as a taxable fringe benefit then dealing with withholding based on that.
Alternatively, they could just give you a $20,000 raise and do regular income tax withholding. Company cars with mixed biz/personal use are a tax mess.
They may have already said there is no offsetting benefit and if that's the case, that sucks.
Essentially it's a tax compliance benefit for the company to make that move.
Currently they are tracking personal versus business use, imputing some amount of income equivalent to the lease rate of a car you would have been using for personal use and counting that as a taxable fringe benefit then dealing with withholding based on that.
Alternatively, they could just give you a $20,000 raise and do regular income tax withholding. Company cars with mixed biz/personal use are a tax mess.
They may have already said there is no offsetting benefit and if that's the case, that sucks.
They had some q&a on the email yesterday and they stated we would not be getting a pay raise to offset this.
Cromagnum said:
Yep, its complete crap these days. I just got an auto-reject from a company I interned with for 3 summers and whom I have family that has spent their entire career with. Literally checked every single box for a role and got the "we are going with candidates who are a better fit."
If you dont have an inside track, you don't even get looked at. I guarantee nobody even read my resume.
I know this sounds harsh, but if you interned at the company for 3 summers and have family who have spent their entire careers at the company, how can you not network into some semblance of an "inside track"?
TheRatt87 said:Cromagnum said:
Yep, its complete crap these days. I just got an auto-reject from a company I interned with for 3 summers and whom I have family that has spent their entire career with. Literally checked every single box for a role and got the "we are going with candidates who are a better fit."
If you dont have an inside track, you don't even get looked at. I guarantee nobody even read my resume.
I know this sounds harsh, but if you interned at the company for 3 summers and have family who have spent their entire careers at the company, how can you not network into some semblance of an "inside track"?
Because the role was filled by someone already working there right now. They likely just cherry picked a few external candidates to meet their quota.
TheRatt87 said:Cromagnum said:
Yep, its complete crap these days. I just got an auto-reject from a company I interned with for 3 summers and whom I have family that has spent their entire career with. Literally checked every single box for a role and got the "we are going with candidates who are a better fit."
If you dont have an inside track, you don't even get looked at. I guarantee nobody even read my resume.
I know this sounds harsh, but if you interned at the company for 3 summers and have family who have spent their entire careers at the company, how can you not network into some semblance of an "inside track"?
The amount of times I've heard this from people in my network that have no understanding of a job search today is more times than I can count. My standard responses now is, "your right. Here's my resume and roles I am targeting. Who at your company can you help introduce me today that would have hiring responsibility so I am ready for the next opportunity that fits at your company."
Then all the reasons they don't know who that is for sure or reasons their hiring process won't allow it or their company is in a hiring freeze or I wouldn't want to work there because of company issues start. And I explain "that's why."
A supposed Linkedin network of over 400 (I trimmedit way backto actual connections as part of this process). A true network of good relationships of about 100-150 people. 7 have been willing and capable to spend the time and effort to track down the VP needed, get my resume in front of them, set up an introduction, and lobby on my behalf in the last year.
It's not that they aren't good connections or friends. It's all the reasons we've tried to explain. Outside of sales, network for a job unless you are already in tight with he senior level hiring person has just about been removed from the equation. Same as external hiring unless absolutely necessary.
Then a bad / constantly uncertain economy. Company cultures centered around perpetual layoffs that create fear of risk (going to bat for someone). Ai / HR gate keeping of the hiring process. Many internal company portals no longer show the hiring manager or group. Some have completely removed the referral process. Etc.
Perfect response. Unless your network's resources/connections are able to get you in front of the decision maker, at the exact right timing when the hire can occur, those connections are often just not enough to get you over the hump. It's not an indictment of you, your quality/potential value, or of your connections or their value within their own organization. There are times when things just don't come together. Right now, this is happening much more often.
Sometimes it just comes down to timing, and that's why you have to be persistent and methodical in your search. In my book, it's also why you sometimes have to take positions you just don't really see as ideal or even good, if that's what it takes to pay the bills. Your attitude, and the quality and quantity of your work in the less than ideal spot is what will open up the door to your next ideal, or at least next step up place to go.
Sometimes it just comes down to timing, and that's why you have to be persistent and methodical in your search. In my book, it's also why you sometimes have to take positions you just don't really see as ideal or even good, if that's what it takes to pay the bills. Your attitude, and the quality and quantity of your work in the less than ideal spot is what will open up the door to your next ideal, or at least next step up place to go.
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