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Legal ramifications against Camp Mystic

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Sound wisdom!
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FM 949 said:

As an engineer, I tell people it's not if you will flood, it's when.


This river is going to flood again, it will be worse than before, people will die. It's been happening for thousands of years. Over 100 people died this time and not all of them were idiots. The best we can do is the best we can do and the next best thing at the moment is flood alarms. Will that work? Probably better than nothing.
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BrazosDog02 said:

FM 949 said:

As an engineer, I tell people it's not if you will flood, it's when.


This river is going to flood again, it will be worse than before, people will die. It's been happening for thousands of years. Over 100 people died this time and not all of them were idiots. The best we can do is the best we can do and the next best thing at the moment is flood alarms. Will that work? Probably better than nothing.

My expectation is that for the flood sirens to give adequate warning to those downstream, they are going to have to go off when the water first starts rising by more than a few feet. I expect that they will go off so often for what turns out to be minor flooding that people will start ignoring them like they do with Tstorm and flood alerts on their phones. Hopefully I am wrong, but I expect complacency to set in again in a relatively short period of time.
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txags92 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

FM 949 said:

As an engineer, I tell people it's not if you will flood, it's when.


This river is going to flood again, it will be worse than before, people will die. It's been happening for thousands of years. Over 100 people died this time and not all of them were idiots. The best we can do is the best we can do and the next best thing at the moment is flood alarms. Will that work? Probably better than nothing.

My expectation is that for the flood sirens to give adequate warning to those downstream, they are going to have to go off when the water first starts rising by more than a few feet. I expect that they will go off so often for what turns out to be minor flooding that people will start ignoring them like they do with Tstorm and flood alerts on their phones. Hopefully I am wrong, but I expect complacency to set in again in a relatively short period of time.

Absolutely, then they will make adjustments to them for only extreme cases, and we'll be having discussions about why the city failed it's people. There is no amount of ''prep" that will give everyone adequate warning and if it does they won't follow it. I keep going back to Hurricane Harvey and watching the models for 50" of rain being completely dismissed 14 days out. 24 hours out many still thought "We've never seen this before, and it's not likely." So what happened? People lived on their roof for 3 days and drowned in their attics.

As stated, humans are really poor at risk assessment, and those that are not poor at it are generally first responders who are trained to understand it. Even when we do understand risk, we fall back to what we know and when that fails, it fails in a large way as we have seen here.
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This.
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txags92 said:

BrazosDog02 said:

FM 949 said:

As an engineer, I tell people it's not if you will flood, it's when.


This river is going to flood again, it will be worse than before, people will die. It's been happening for thousands of years. Over 100 people died this time and not all of them were idiots. The best we can do is the best we can do and the next best thing at the moment is flood alarms. Will that work? Probably better than nothing.

My expectation is that for the flood sirens to give adequate warning to those downstream, they are going to have to go off when the water first starts rising by more than a few feet. I expect that they will go off so often for what turns out to be minor flooding that people will start ignoring them like they do with Tstorm and flood alerts on their phones. Hopefully I am wrong, but I expect complacency to set in again in a relatively short period of time.

this is already occuring...absolutely ridiculous the amount and frequency of "flood warnings"....plus any rise equal to what happened in 2025 will destroy any warning system we have in place now
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For a warning system to work of any kind, the individual being warned has to fully understand the system and what it means when a certain alarm goes off. For camps, they should have their own custom setup and the emergency response plan should have standard procedures for each alarm tripping. e.g.

Alarm 1 - low river crossings are now closed, no one can go come or go from property.
Alarm 2 - shelter inside to maintain accountability.
Alarm 3 - potential 1000 year event now, move everyone to higher ground, etc.

The issue will be with river houses, VRBOs etc. They might not understand or even hear certain alarms if they are sleeping near a loud window unit, etc.
FM 949
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It's like designing roadways, you do everything to standards, sign it, put warnings, but you still have people run off the road or have accidents. The problem doesn't have an end all/be all solution. There will always be a bigger flood, faster flood, someone in the wrong place at the wrong time. You do what you can.

 
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