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In reply to Buford T. Justice • 9:48a, 2/14/26
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Buford T. Justice said:
As a resident of Brazos County, it would be fun to watch a high stakes poker game between the McNair's and any nearby county officials. Y'all may have more emotions involved with the team, but I would let them walk. Someone else will come along.

The vatos are just buying into the team. If they left now it would crush them. Like work grinds to a halt and storming the county office crush them.
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In reply to Mega Lops • 9:48a, 2/14/26
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The Texans said the project will cover 83 acres and include a 22-acre headquarters and training facility for the team. The Texans claim the district will generate $34 billion in long-term economic impact and create 17,000 jobs across the region.

https://abc13.com/post/houston-texans-harris-county-precinct-4-announce-approval-move-nfl-teams-headquarters-nw/18591824/

Here come the low income apartments needed to sustain the workforce.


I seriously doubt those numbers. The Texans might make some money off it, the county sure as heck won't.

This is an NFL status symbol, that's all.
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In reply to Diggity • 11:52a, 2/14/26
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Diggity said:
I'm assuming you see the difference between some pie in the sky assessment by a consulting group saying that there is up to 2B in future upgrades necessary and "the county is already behind by 2-3B"


No, I actually have a little background on this.

They're behind on a lot of it. Emergency funding was required just to have functioning escalators for the World Cup. The roof needs $100m - $200m in repairs from the last hurricane to be water tight. And they're wanting the next lease signed. That isn't happening unless they do the maintenance.

But this is TexAgs and all the documentated information from experts is no match for group think.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 12:09p, 2/14/26
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If you have background on it, then communicating it is helpful.

Listing a bunch of links to things we had already seen isn't useful.

For the record, I still think that number is complete BS. It's all posturing.
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In reply to Diggity • 12:20p, 2/14/26
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The numbers come from HCSCC's own survey because they hadn't been doing contractually required maintenance nor did they have funding in place. They did the survey to figure out what they needed to try and get approved to get back up to date and have done before the new lease agreement.

So no, the numbers if anything might be low. And if you haven't caught on yet, it isn't a good situation and reality is starting to set in both sides. Especially when people like on this board try to make the Texans or HLS&R the bad guys when they aren't the ones who completely dropped the ball.

They aren't leaving Houston, but the longer this drags on the more likely it is they don't resign for NRG. Especially if Harris County concludes they can't plan, budget or fulfill the contractual maintenance.

If both Texans and HLS&R are forced to relocate and devolop on their own you not only would you have the condemned Dome, but a growing chance they let much of NRG park go to rot. Probably just try and keep the center as a secondary convention space until it's a ghost town. Talk about representing the constituents well.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 12:24p, 2/14/26
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So you think it's reasonable for the county to spend roughly the same amount on repairs for a ~20 year old stadium as KC will spend on a brand new one?

Alternatively, what is the teams other option? Who is going to pony up for a new complex if they decide to leave?
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In reply to Diggity • 12:32p, 2/14/26
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Diggity said:
So you think it's reasonable for the county to spend roughly the same amount on repairs for a ~20 year old stadium as KC will spend on a brand new one?

Alternatively, what is the teams other option? Who is going to pony up for a new complex if they decide to leave?


No. I think they're incompetent for neglecting it and their contractual agreements that let it get so far out of control. And if you pay taxes to it, you should too.

Feel free to look into the mismanagement of funds by the county if you'd like to see where hundreds of millions each year went instead of the infrastructure and maintenance projects it was supposed to.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 12:39p, 2/14/26
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Both can be true.

No doubt the county was dumb to take on the maintenance but throwing out silly numbers for repair doesn't help the teams case.

The county can't/won't/shouldn't agree to anywhere near that.
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In reply to Diggity • 1:05p, 2/14/26
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You like to argue, but bot read. The numbers are from the county. Not the team.

And I'd suggest understanding both the Texans and HLS&R are separate deals. Harris county insisted on structuring the deal so they kept ownership and required the Texans to contribute about 40% of the cost. So they could operate it as another convention center.

On top of rent, HLS&R has contributed almost $130m in maintenance to keep the center and arena operating since it was built. I believe the Texans about the same.
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1:09p, 2/14/26
It pisses me off to no end that our society expects tax payers to not only cough up the money to build these stadiums every 20 years but they also have to upgrade them so the billionaires can still continue to make ridiculous money off them.

The Texans and rodeo could easily pay to maintain the stadium and they absolutely should be the ones to do it.

End of rant, I know I'm preaching to the choir.
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In reply to Cynic • 1:23p, 2/14/26
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Cynic said:
It pisses me off to no end that our society expects tax payers to not only cough up the money to build these stadiums every 20 years but they also have to upgrade them so the billionaires can still continue to make ridiculous money off them.

The Texans and rodeo could easily pay to maintain the stadium and they absolutely should be the ones to do it.

End of rant, I know I'm preaching to the choir.


You aren't preaching to the choir. The county got a convention center, 2 organizations that paid into the development, yearly rent and maintenance and yearly economic income from it.

Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo
The 2024 Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo (HLSR) generates about $600M total economic activity each year. Not to mention one of the largest charities west of the Mississippi.

The Houston Texans generate over $1.1 billion in annual economic impact.

This would be like blaming Texas Trophy hunters for George R Brown being neglected.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 1:24p, 2/14/26
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Again, I haven't seen anything in any of those estimates indicating $3B, so I assumed you were talking about a separate estimate.

Regardless, that doesn't change my point that this is not a practical number.
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In reply to Diggity • 1:30p, 2/14/26
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Maybe go read the report. You also thought it was only millions and a play by others.

The point is there is a known expected maintenance and up keep cost and plan for every project like this. And if it is neglected by the operator is becomes exponentially more expensive. Hence your "Practical number" problem. The county screwed it up. That's where your problem should be.

It's almost $2 Billion in current issues and maintenance needed. And another Billion before the current lease is done (if no further issues) without a current plan or funding.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 1:42p, 2/14/26
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You sound completely unbiased about this.

We can agree to disagree.
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In reply to Diggity • 1:45p, 2/14/26
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Diggity said:
You sound completely unbiased about this.

We can agree to disagree.


I sound like the only one presenting numbers and contracts and not pulling crap out of my ass and arguing feelings to get blue stars.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 1:51p, 2/14/26
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Your exact quote from the beginning was that the county was $2-3B behind on maintenance.

I had read reports up to $2B, which still seems ridiculous, but whatever. I was wondering how the extra B slipped in there.

Now your're stating that you're including anticipated future maintenance...which would be a completely different scenario.

Sorry to question your expertise!
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In reply to Diggity • 2:06p, 2/14/26
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I like how "but whatever" is used as a retort while questioning others. It's an interesting approach.
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In reply to FM 949 • 2:08p, 2/14/26
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I'm glad that's all you took from my post
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In reply to Diggity • 2:09p, 2/14/26
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Diggity said:
I'm glad that's all you took from my post


It was the most absurd part.
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In reply to FM 949 • 2:10p, 2/14/26
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How so? The $2B has been floated out there for a year.

I think it's an absurd number, but not exactly new information.

I was wondering where $3B came from. Not that difficult.
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2:12p, 2/14/26
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OTL taxpayer boondoggle

(Meant to thumbs down)
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In reply to Diggity • 2:13p, 2/14/26
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You've missed my point, bud.
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In reply to Mega Lops • 2:30p, 2/14/26
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Mega Lops said:
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The Texans said the project will cover 83 acres and include a 22-acre headquarters and training facility for the team. The Texans claim the district will generate $34 billion in long-term economic impact and create 17,000 jobs across the region.

https://abc13.com/post/houston-texans-harris-county-precinct-4-announce-approval-move-nfl-teams-headquarters-nw/18591824/

Here come the low income apartments needed to sustain the workforce.


There's already plenty of ****ty homes and complexes south of 529 and north of 10. Along with the areas around Katy hockley
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In reply to AgLA06 • 6:47p, 2/14/26
My math ain't so good, but those numbers seem to be a little short of the few billion you said.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 6:50p, 2/14/26
AgLA06 said:
Cynic said:
It pisses me off to no end that our society expects tax payers to not only cough up the money to build these stadiums every 20 years but they also have to upgrade them so the billionaires can still continue to make ridiculous money off them.

The Texans and rodeo could easily pay to maintain the stadium and they absolutely should be the ones to do it.

End of rant, I know I'm preaching to the choir.


You aren't preaching to the choir. The county got a convention center, 2 organizations that paid into the development, yearly rent and maintenance and yearly economic income from it.

Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo
The 2024 Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo (HLSR) generates about $600M total economic activity each year. Not to mention one of the largest charities west of the Mississippi.

The Houston Texans generate over $1.1 billion in annual economic impact.

This would be like blaming Texas Trophy hunters for George R Brown being neglected.


Sounds like they make plenty of money to maintain their facilities
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In reply to AgLA06 • 6:59p, 2/14/26
A whopping $130M in maintenance since it was built?? The stadium is 23 years old, so they have forked over about $5.6M per year. How nice of them.

It was built for $352M back then, which would be the equivalent of $634M in today's money. You are telling us that it would take 4.7 times as much just to maintain it compared to what it was built for? What a friggin racket.
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7:19p, 2/14/26
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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AfCaVkuYf/

Facebook Link but water was pouring through the roof
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In reply to Kenneth_2003 • 7:40p, 2/14/26
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Kenneth_2003 said:
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AfCaVkuYf/

Facebook Link but water was pouring through the roof

Was just coming to post this
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10:13p, 2/14/26
Cyprus Texans?
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In reply to HoustonAggie11 • 10:17p, 2/14/26
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Cyprus Texans?


That would be quite the relocation.
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11:23p, 2/14/26
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I was there tonight. Rain was coming in pretty good in one of the corners. I believe the southwest corner, but I get turned around in there.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 5:32a, 2/15/26
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The report is expected to show that the development needs a 30-year capital investment of $1.9B "to cover deferred and ongoing maintenance costs,"


The $2B covers maintenance costs for the next 30 years. Seems like you're presenting it as $2B of deferred maintenance which is completely absurd.
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In reply to TXAG 05 • 8:21a, 2/16/26
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TXAG 05 said:
cajunaggie08 said:
AgLA06 said:
It is entirely possible that if Harris County SCC doesn't get their crap together, both the Texans and the HLS&R relocate to this facility.

While possible, do you see the Texans and Rodeo paying for the land and build? I'd imagine they still try to play nice with the county so that they foot the bill.

Don't see them moving the rodeo out to the boonies.


But imagine how much more enjoyable the carnival would be if they did.
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11:41a, 2/16/26
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**** the Katy Prairie
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In reply to Ragoo • 11:59a, 2/16/26
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tylercsbn9 said:
Hope this finally gets Mason all the way to 290

you mean Greenhouse to skinner connect

Come on Tom, expedite that project. Barker and Fry are massive pinch points for traffic.

Its bad...we are in town lake and I feel like half of my commute gettiing into houston is just getting out of Cypress and onto 290. We generally take West or Tuckerton to Huffmeister or hwy 6. Prtety much my only real complaint of living out here.
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