1709 Battle of Poltava: Peter and Russia vs Sweden and Charles XII

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Martels Hammer
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I was in Ukraine in Poltava and took some pics at the museum and the monument in the town circle square (their name for it)



The hill is a mass grave of Russian command forces



Church built to remember the victory


A three column monument, with each column having a flag and something written in Swedish, Russian, and Ukrainian. Although the Russian flag and writing is currently covered. The statue for Peter also has been removed.



Inside the museum



Swedish armor





Monument in the center of town

And probably my favorite part is the "Hetman" who took money from Peter but then supported Charles. You can see that he was a villain in the local history until the most recent war and now he is a type of hero. If you ask me to define Hetman I can't really without referring to google.

and the local lion that the locals rub the balls of.




QBCade
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Nice! I knew little of the Great Northern War until a recent Podcast. Cool that you saw in person.
Martels Hammer
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As far as the current history getting made I didn't see anything you didn't already know.

I did see a drone in the early evening. Looked really big and was loud. No idea if it was friendly or hostile. Saw lots of police with long guns, some tank traps, etc.

My favorite history moment was actually the videos they show on some trains with women showing their regions traditional dress looks. How it would vary between single, married, and mother, etc.
BQ78
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Outside of Scandinavia, few know that Sweden had as much success invading Russia as any other country. Interesting and understudied history.

Nice pictures and thanks for posting.
Martels Hammer
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I speak Swedish and the museum there has a bunch of videos made in Swedish with Russian subtitles.

I found the Swedish perspective often what you would expect it to be. Kind of whiney. War is bad, Sweden is kind of bad, and nobody should look kindly on any of this but lets remember it for some reason.
BQ78
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And to think they were once Vikings.
Aggie_Journalist
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I like to imagine all Vikings spoke in the stereotypical sing-songy accent of the upper Midwest.
Thanks and gig'em
BQ78
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Yeah, nooooo!
Martels Hammer
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Aggie_Journalist said:

I like to imagine all Vikings spoke in the stereotypical sing-songy accent of the upper Midwest.

Icelandic still sounds more or less like the Vikings sounded. And to me it sounds nothing like Swedish, Danish, or Norwegian.

Language shifts and changes are fascinating. So hard for me to wrap my mind around places ditching a language in a generation or two without being taken over by an invader. But it seems to have happened many many times.

I believe for example most people in France didn't speak French all the way up to something like the late 1800s. With French being spoken only by the upper classes and in Paris. But sometime in the late 1800s Provencial and Britons died out rapidly and everyone spoke French. Why? I have never gotten an answer that made sense to me.

Similar for the old norse languages. Everyone is happy sounding like vikings then in 100 years or less nobody but Iceland speaks it. No wars, nothing of note other than trade.
nortex97
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There is a great podcast called the history of english. Pretty dry, but for those who are interested it's good listening.
https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/
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