We know where she stands on the issue ...

He is arguably the best ever. He certainly belongs in that coversation.

Michael Penix deserves some love

halfastros81 said:

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2012 team would have won the title had they not screwed the pooch vs LSU. Five turnovers and lost by 5 pts. Give LSU credit tho , they had a good plan. Coulda, shoulda, woulda … didn't.

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I'm sure it's been discussed many times but UGA was no slouch that season and you can't assume A&M beats UGA in the SECCG. Definitely a possible win but not a gimme.

No. Not in the discussion. He was amazing to watch and brought us an enormous amount of attention.

MAYBE top ten.

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Roger Staubach.

He was Johnny before Johnny.

Would've won 2 Heismans had he not been injured his senior year.

But I'd say it's those 2

Side note: Staubach also lettered in all 3 major men's sports during his 4 years at Navy. Scouts said he was good enough to go pro in all 3.

After Bo Jackson, Roger may have been the best college athlete ever

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Staubach was chiseled like a Greek god. Unbelievable athlete.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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Surprised nobody brought up Kellen Sully Mond yet.

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It's because he doesn't belong anywhere near this conversation. Nor does any other A&M QB not named Johnny Manziel.

Vince Young was equally amazing though, for example. And Young was unstoppable in that game versus an all-time great USC team to win a natty. JFF was amazing too but if I had to choose college Vince versus college Johnny to QB my team, and trying to take any of my Maroon blinders off, would be a very hard choice. Go back and watch some VY highlights from that season they won natty.

Heineken-Ashi said:

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Surprised nobody brought up Kellen Sully Mond yet.

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what?

Best I ever saw. Put up 42 points on Bama and lost. If we had had a defense back then, who knows?

the most cool guy said:

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Heineken-Ashi said:

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Surprised nobody brought up Kellen Sully Mond yet.

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what?

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he meant that as an insult. he wasn't serious...

He is surprised yet he is the only one who brought him up

Pumpkinhead said:

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Vince Young was equally amazing though, for example. And Young was unstoppable in that game versus an all-time great USC team to win a natty. JFF was amazing too but if I had to choose college Vince versus college Johnny to QB my team, and trying to take any of my Maroon blinders off, would be a very hard choice. Go back and watch some VY highlights from that season they won natty.

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Technically they did stop him.



Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but I don't think Texas gets a win with modern replay. That was a huge turning point

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Now do Johnny without Evans. Still think he's the best?

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The data analysis was done before. Evans accounted for something like 25% of his total yards and 17% of his total TDs. For comparison, Marvin Harrison accounts for higher percentages of Peyton Manning's totals than Evans does for Johnny. Recognizing Evans' greatness doesn't need to diminish Johnny's

The Banned said:

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SteveA said:

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Now do Johnny without Evans. Still think he's the best?

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The data analysis was done before. Evans accounted for something like 25% of his total yards and 17% of his total TDs. For comparison, Marvin Harrison accounts for higher percentages of Peyton Manning's totals than Evans does for Johnny. Recognizing Evans' greatness doesn't need to diminish Johnny's

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No doubt. All the quarterbacks considered had great teams.

JFF also had 4 OL he played with go in the first round (pick #s 2, 6, 21, and 31), which is pretty good.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Texas_A%26M_Aggies_in_the_NFL_draft

John Elway and Tim Tebow deserve some consideration. Elway with an inferior Stanford team, and Tebow despite his challenges in the Pros.

Steve McNair - bigger and thicker - changed the game as a whole for QBs in the 90s as teams made sure to not let that happen again and turn athletic QBs from high school to DBs in college cause of perception

Just played for the wrong coach in the NFL

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John Elway and Tim Tebow deserve some consideration. Elway with an inferior Stanford team, and Tebow despite his challenges in the Pros.

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I was going to say Elway as well. i don't think he had any teammates that were NFL-bound. Put him on one of probably 30 different traditionally good teams in the 80s and that team wins multiple titles.

Tebow and Tommie Frazier are also ahead of JFF in my book. I can't penalize guys for being more physically gifted than Manziel, that's sort of silly.

I'd also posit if you could have put 50% of Bucky Richardson's love for A&M / love for football into Manziel's head, he might have been the best ever.

3rd and 15, there's no other QB I'd take over JFF.

Penalizing him for not winning a title is dumb. This isn't basketball where one dude can carry a team. But JFF was close. Plenty of game manager QBs have won titles. They are nowhere near JFF.

If you package up his O-line, Mike Evans and Swope... yes, he could be considered the best QB in college football history. Certainly most exciting QB i've ever seen.

Not even close!

Ever hear of,
Johnny Unitas
Bart Star
Roger Staubach
Joe Namath
Terry Bradshaw
Bobby Lane, sip
Joe Montana

Should I go on?

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Not even close!

Ever hear of,
Johnny Unitas
Bart Star
Roger Staubach
Joe Namath
Terry Bradshaw
Bobby Lane, sip
Joe Montana

Should I go on?

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Ok let's get you to bed grandpa.

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Vince Young was equally amazing though, for example. And Young was unstoppable in that game versus an all-time great USC team to win a natty. JFF was amazing too but if I had to choose college Vince versus college Johnny to QB my team, and trying to take any of my Maroon blinders off, would be a very hard choice. Go back and watch some VY highlights from that season they won natty.

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Technically they did stop him.



Coulda, woulda, shoulda, but I don't think Texas gets a win with modern replay. That was a huge turning point

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This call was made in the 2nd quarter, not late in the 4th. VY tore USC up all night. Had he been marked down in this pic, it still would have been 1st down at the 10 yd line. Can't believe how many of you guys still cling to this notion that the game was gifted to TX because of this no call.