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So Florida waited a year too long. Then held a meeting and decided to fire him but are waiting till after this weekend to announce their decision. Florida has a leadership problem.
Elko should be offering WR Dallas Wilson, WR Vernell Brown, RB Jaden Baugh, and LB Myles Graham soon.
Those guys are studs.
Those guys are studs.
Sounds familiar. Wait a year to long to fire a coach, then let him go mid season after a game against Miss State. Who does that?
I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
Ol Rock said:
I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
With the early signing day coming so early and most of the top prospects signing then, you can't wait until the end of the season to signal coaching changes anymore.
Ol Rock said:
I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
Where you were ranked fourth weeks ago doesn't mean a damn thing today. Penn State boosters went all-in on NIL, paid the veterans to return, and paid Jim Knowles to come over and run their defense. They followed the Ohio State model, and tried to buy a championship, which is what you want them to do. Their reward was another choke in a big game vs Oregon, losing to the worst team in the nation working under an interim coach in UCLA, and then losing to Northwestern to go 0-3 in the B1G. Far from playing for or winning a national title, they're out of the playoff before second week of October, and winless in conference play.
After over a decade of falling short and always choking in the big games, their boosters have had enough. This is pro football, your job is to produce. You don't produce, you're fired. Get someone else in here who can.
Some of y'all are in denial about the reality of this business now.
txags92 said:Ol Rock said:
I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
With the early signing day coming so early and most of the top prospects signing then, you can't wait until the end of the season to signal coaching changes anymore.
But who are they going to hire mid-season? Are coaches going to start switching teams mid-season? Or are they going to hire some other coach that just got fired?
I hear James Franklin is available. Or Jimbo.
rootube said:
So Florida waited a year too long. Then held a meeting and decided to fire him but are waiting till after this weekend to announce their decision. Florida has a leadership problem.
I was told by an Auburn fan over the summer that Florida went all in on Napier by opening the checkbook in recruiting. It was a last ditch effort.
They have plenty of talent
Ol Rock said:
I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
The reason to fire your coach is so you can conduct your search out in the open. If you try to do it confidently it will get leaked by the agents you're talking to anyway which is a bad look. Also if you give the coach more games when you know you want to fire him you are giving him a chance to save his job in the eyes of the fans…Napier last year did pretty much exactly that to buy him another year when he won a bunch of games down the stretch and looked good doing it. That's also why Florida was ranked going into this year
Ol Rock said:
I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
Agree.
Who that is successful at their current school would want that job knowing what the expectations are? Sure there are expectations at every major school but how often do coaches who have went 13-3, 10-3, 11-2 the last 3 years get fired? At that point you're competing for a national championship every year. Who out there is going to guarantee you win one? No one. So why put yourself in the position to be fired in 3-4 years if you don't win one.
I don't see how you can conduct mid-season searches out in the open. The target's teams are probably headed for the playoffs and they don't want that being disrupted.
Because you'll be rich beyond belief at the end of those 3-4 years.RoadkillBBQ said:Ol Rock said:
I don't understand mid-season firings except for cause. You have to pay the coach anyway. Start the coaching search and have a coach ready to go before you terminate. I think it also sets a bad precedent for the next coach on how they will be treated.
The Franklin firing at Penn State is horrible. He was ranked 2nd in the country just 4 weeks earlier and 3rd 3 weeks ago. Yes he had 2 bad losses, but he had them almost playing for the national title last year.
Agree.
Who that is successful at their current school would want that job knowing what the expectations are? Sure there are expectations at every major school but how often do coaches who have went 13-3, 10-3, 11-2 the last 3 years get fired? At that point you're competing for a national championship every year. Who out there is going to guarantee you win one? No one. So why put yourself in the position to be fired in 3-4 years if you don't win one.
I think i also read somewhere, maybe here, that one advantage of a mid season firing has to with a portal window opening for the players. If it opens now, most won't be able to leave until the regular window. Seems like it helps from losing everyone good. Assuming that's correct, it would explain this years unusually large number of coaches fired before the season was over.
Sterling82 said:
I don't see how you can conduct mid-season searches out in the open. The target's teams are probably headed for the playoffs and they don't want that being disrupted.
You don't talk directly to the coaches during the season, you talk to their agents and the agents relay the messages. That's why every coach is able to say I have not talked to so and so school without lying.
You work out a deal with the agents then the day after the season is over you talk to the coach as a final conversation and then announce the hire the next day
The beat goes on. Coaches now have to please to the sponsorship of collectives and donors, or the AD is getting a fire the coach call.
My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.
gA_CMAB_FA said:
Elko should be offering WR Dallas Wilson, WR Vernell Brown, RB Jaden Baugh, and LB Myles Graham soon.
Those guys are studs.
I agree with your list except for Baugh. We have very good stable of RB's and 2 more studs coming in next year.
Wow, did we start the it's cool to fire your coach in the middle of the year trend.
If I'm Florida I am going to all in on the Lane Train. Or at least I don't think they'll go with the up and comer and try to pry a proven coach from another program.
warrington74 said:
My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.
why do you think cignetti would not leave for florida?
other coaches they could go get:
kiffin
drinkawitz
Jedd Fisch
that guy at UNLV may be interested. would do better than napier for sure
BMX Bandit said:warrington74 said:
My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.
why do you think cignetti would not leave for florida?
other coaches they could go get:
kiffin
drinkawitz
Jedd Fisch
that guy at UNLV may be interested. would do better than napier for sure
Dan Mullen is the UNLV head coach, and he was Billy Napier's predecessor from 2018 to 2021. Florida fired Mullen after a 5-6 (2-6 SEC) record with one regular season game left in his 4th season.
I'd go for Kiffin.
It appears that Florida will fire Billy Napier regardless of outcome. Florida is playing a Mississippi State team that has lost 14 consecutive SEC games dating back to a 27-13 loss at Auburn on 10/28/23. I thought a home loss to Mississippi State would be the last straw for Napier, but a home win over Mississippi State would prolong the inevitable.
If Florida fires Billy Napier after beating Mississippi State, he would be the 2nd head coach to be fired after such a win. Jimbo Fisher was fired the morning after a 51-10 home win over Mississippi State on 11/11/23, which happened to be our last win over an SEC or Power 4 team in the month of November. Also, Mississippi State would lose their 15th consecutive SEC game, and 2 head coaches that helped extend that losing streak would get fired the day after.
If Florida fires Billy Napier after beating Mississippi State, he would be the 2nd head coach to be fired after such a win. Jimbo Fisher was fired the morning after a 51-10 home win over Mississippi State on 11/11/23, which happened to be our last win over an SEC or Power 4 team in the month of November. Also, Mississippi State would lose their 15th consecutive SEC game, and 2 head coaches that helped extend that losing streak would get fired the day after.
Seems he will be fired after his next loss.
Iraq2xVeteran said:BMX Bandit said:warrington74 said:
My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.
why do you think cignetti would not leave for florida?
other coaches they could go get:
kiffin
drinkawitz
Jedd Fisch
that guy at UNLV may be interested. would do better than napier for sure
Dan Mullen is the UNLV head coach, and he was Billy Napier's predecessor from 2018 to 2021. Florida fired Mullen after a 5-6 (2-6 SEC) record with one regular season game left in his 4th season.
So you're saying Florida might not be interested in that guy at UNLV?
Pate said that Florida made the decision after PSU made theirs. I dont quite understand the rationale if big programs are all vying from the same pool of potential HCs. Perhaps they think PSU will get their top candidate before them, if they wait. But I dont think any program has a top candidate, they might have a short list though.
Quote:
Dan Mullen is the UNLV head coach, and he was Billy Napier's predecessor from 2018 to 2021. Florida fired Mullen after a 5-6 (2-6 SEC) record with one regular season game left in his 4th season.
had no idea!
I understand that the big money donors are pissed that they got no ROI on all the money they dumped in to the program, but the Franklin firing reeks of a premature temper tantrum. 99% of the programs in the country would kill for Franklin's success. Yes he was 0-fer in big games, but who is out there that can just come in and plug and play and get them over that hump? We got lucky with Elko (assuming this season continues to go well), but for every Elko, there are ten Napier's, Mullin's, Rich Rodriguez's, Pittman's, etc that flame out and set you back even worse.
lagoag said:gA_CMAB_FA said:
Elko should be offering WR Dallas Wilson, WR Vernell Brown, RB Jaden Baugh, and LB Myles Graham soon.
Those guys are studs.
I agree with your list except for Baugh. We have very good stable of RB's and 2 more studs coming in next year.
Wow, did we start the it's cool to fire your coach in the middle of the year trend.
Baugh is a grown-man, punishing thumper. 4th&1 solved immediately.
Give the young guys incentive to get bigger and stronger. Iron sharpens iron. Hate to see him go to LSU, Bama or Texas.
Juan Lee Pettimore said:
I understand that the big money donors are pissed that they got no ROI on all the money they dumped in to the program, but the Franklin firing reeks of a premature temper tantrum. 99% of the programs in the country would kill for Franklin's success. Yes he was 0-fer in big games, but who is out there that can just come in and plug and play and get them over that hump? We got lucky with Elko (assuming this season continues to go well), but for every Elko, there are ten Napier's, Mullin's, Rich Rodriguez's, Pittman's, etc that flame out and set you back even worse.
Dude, this season is done for Penn State. If you keep Franklin, how do you recruit/buy top talent to come in next year and subsequent years if you keep ****ting the bed? What makes you think its gonna be different next year? The fans are tired of the Outback Bowl or whatever. Its business. Franklin has a track record, a history of always coming up short and was shown the door with a $49M parting gift.
Why do the Ags always changes coaches every 5-6 years? Because we invest heavily and haven't seen results. Texas 8&4 came about for a reason. Why did we ****can Jimbo? The writing was on the wall with him and we had to change the narrative.
I know nothing!
As much as I don't want another Jimbo, you have to re up Elko. PSU, Florida and probably Michigan will be open. Some major jobs. Unfortunately, Florida and Michigan are "better" jobs than us. PSU, no
warrington74 said:
My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.
Penn State is about to find out the hard way they aren't as big a job as they thought they were. If they whiff on Rhule they aren't getting any of the big time coaches everyone is talking about. People don't seem to understand that Texas Tech is a better job than Penn State for example.
Aggie Dad 26 said:rootube said:
So Florida waited a year too long. Then held a meeting and decided to fire him but are waiting till after this weekend to announce their decision. Florida has a leadership problem.
I was told by an Auburn fan over the summer that Florida went all in on Napier by opening the checkbook in recruiting. It was a last ditch effort.
They have plenty of talent
HAD plenty of talent. They just hit the panic button when Penn St fired Franklin because they don't want to start their search with second pick.
Juan Lee Pettimore said:
I understand that the big money donors are pissed that they got no ROI on all the money they dumped in to the program, but the Franklin firing reeks of a premature temper tantrum. 99% of the programs in the country would kill for Franklin's success. Yes he was 0-fer in big games, but who is out there that can just come in and plug and play and get them over that hump? We got lucky with Elko (assuming this season continues to go well), but for every Elko, there are ten Napier's, Mullin's, Rich Rodriguez's, Pittman's, etc that flame out and set you back even worse.
In the Big10, a mid-tier coach can go 10-2 and end up in the CFB Playoffs.
"But but but PSU made it to the semifinals last year" who did they play? They beat SMU and Boise St.
SUUUPER impressive. They beat the MOUNTAIN WEST CHAMPION! OOOHHWEEE! Total World-Beaters!
BMX Bandit said:warrington74 said:
My question is, what are the top coaches out there that you would want to replace him with. There's not many names of stud coaches that are looking for placement. Matt rule is average.
John Gruden has never coached college
Indiana's coach would not leave for Florida, may leave for Penn State
But who else is out there that is worth going after.
why do you think cignetti would not leave for florida?
other coaches they could go get:
kiffin
drinkawitz
Jedd Fisch
that guy at UNLV may be interested. would do better than napier for sure
Cignetti and Kiffin both make around $9MM per year and are around the top 10 highest paid coaches in CFB. Napier is making around $7.5MM per year at UF.
If UF wants to pursue either Kiffin or Cignetti, they will probably have to make them a Jimbo type offer and make them a top 3 highest paid coach, and not sure they are willing to do that especially after paying Billy and his staff's buyout.
Also, Cignetti and Kiffin both have great, stable gigs. UF would be a total rebuild football wise and culturally as well with a much shorter lease. If Im Cignetti or Kiffin, Im staying put. Id rather go to PSU over UF at this moment in time. UF doesnt even have a school President right now.
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