Opinion Wanted: Best Houston Boys Club Soccer

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aggieswmr04
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We have been with an organization going into our 3rd year for my son who plays competitive soccer in North Houston. Historically this org has been female focused.

As we get deeper into this sport, trying to understand the difference between MLS Next vs ECNL orgs. He has played a number of sports in the past and has now cut his focus down to 2, with soccer being his top choice right now.

Does anyone have any experience or opinions on the ECNL vs MLS Next & pros/cons to each We're wanting good development opportunities & orgs that communicate opportunities and paths-whatever level it may be- for their players.

Anyone know anything about HTX, Albion, Aspire, GFI, Houston Rangers, etc.
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I'd chime in and help you out but I last coached club in Houston for Rush back in like 2010 and HS in 2017. Not even sure which clubs are around any more.

My general advice is to watch some of the coaches for the relevant age groups and see how they work with players. How they communicate, how they organize a practice, etc. Ask your kid what his goal for soccer is and see if that matches the director the club and their coaches would push him.

Good luck!
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I'm guessing he plays at Challenge? What year & Did he do tryouts at any of the other clubs back in the Spring?
jessexy
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Where is Houston Futsal Club located in relation to you? From what I've seen out of Houston, they've got some great programs at the younger ages through about U15.

HTX seems to have alot of teams. Not sure that translates to development or success for your kid.
Rudyjax
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Coaches are way more important than the actual club. But I know nothing about Houston.
aggieswmr04
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@jeffk solid advice. We're learning after some negative experiences in baseball, how coaching makes a huge difference. But there aren't divisions and different paths in that route.

@Mustang1 Yes we're at Challenge which has been good. We tried to also try out at Aspire after hearing about it from friends (who were not on the team but also considering it- ultimately he chose baseball instead), but there were major conflicts the week of practice and weather involved, and we didn't know how all these offers and tryouts and all these things go. We've talked to HTX. They all tell you the same thing they have what your kid needs. We learned last spring they all have tryouts the same week, which makes it really hard to see what else is out there. He played rec at Albion and was pushed young for select but we played multiple sports and didn't want to dedicate a full year to soccer. There was definitely pressure to accept in the spring so he would have a spot. He is young, a young 2014 which I'm assuming will be impacted by the age group changes an have another year of "development" before the higher competitive options open up. So asking here to learn from those that may have more insight or been through this before. My sport wasn't like this, and the husband only played sports at the school level.

@jessexy- yeah we looked into futsal for summer and HFC is too far south for us. I asked multiple coaches in org for help trying to find futsal opportunities and no one got back to us. We tried to do an indoor league for similar experience but his age group they transitioned the summer play to outdoor. I don't know of any futsal in the North area, and the ones online that I found wouldn't return calls or emails.

@Rudyjax- 100% agree. We've seen this for him in both soccer and baseball - all sports really, but trying to understand the landscape of how all this works and the mentality of the orgs (if there is a difference between ECNL or MLS Next approaches) then seeing how coaching goes.

So I guess my main question boils down to is there a difference between MLS and ECNL focused teams at the younger ages for development? Then secondarily how do you go about checking other teams out when they all try out at the same time? In baseball we at least had opportunities to check out different organizations they all didn't have tryouts at the same time. And for the record we aren't unhappy with our org but at the time we joined we followed friends and kind of went along with things. Now that he's showing more interest (and it's costing more $$) I'm trying to learn especially as they age in the next couple years it has the potential to be a lot more serious if he wants to compete at that level.

And thank you all- really appreciate the responses.
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aggieswmr04
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With the age group change up we wonder if he'll have another year for "development" or if he will also be pushed into the option for ECNL/RL things…. He's a young 2014 (5th) while most of his teammates are older 2014 (6th grade) we assume they will have no additional development year. The age group change up will be interesting for next season all around.

Thanks!
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aggieswmr04 said:

With the age group change up we wonder if he'll have another year for "development" or if he will also be pushed into the option for ECNL/RL things…. He's a young 2014 (5th) while most of his teammates are older 2014 (6th grade) we assume they will have no additional development year. The age group change up will be interesting for next season all around.

Thanks!


Man I hope they go to school age for you sons and all fall bdays sake. It's really tough on the younger kids when middle school and high school start.

Then they 100% have to play with a new team their senior year.
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Just my opinion. Most important is to determine what your goals and his are and keep them realistic (example : make the middle school or high school team).

Coaching is important for basic soccer development, but individual development is going to be through private group or individual lessons and on his own touches. Less than 1% of these players will play college and none pro, so learn to be a teammate, find people you enjoy being with and let him have fun. In the next two years, the competition will become much better and due to population in Houston, you are playing in a talent rich environment. As an example, just today 173 players tried out for 36 spots on the middle school 7th and 8th grade volleyball team. I expect the same for all the team sports except football. That is a lot of disappointed club, select and AAU players.

So make sure they time and money you spend are for the right reasons.
03TXAG
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My daughter plays at the same club as your son, so I am not as plugged into the boys scene. But I do have a friend who has a really strong level boy (U16 or so) in Woodlands area who just went through the tryout circuit and says for boys GFI and HTX are the "best" on the north side of town. His son received offers from GFI (MLS Next) and HTX (ECNL) but ended up picking HTX because he wanted to play for his high school and MLS Next does not allow their kids to play for their HS (while ECNL does).
trip98
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Buff6 has several good points in his post. I was going to bring up getting individual technical lessons as well.

I am certainly not an expert on this but I do know a thing or two about it. Here's my background....grew up between spring and tomball (went to KOHS) and played club soccer on a really good team. Our home field was Meyer. I grew up as club teams started growing here. Roy Rees starting Texans with the Baba brothers (one of which lives in my neighborhood now) and the Houston's and Lyon's families starting Challenge for the girls.

Now I have a son who is 15 and just left playing club soccer last year. I was in the super know back in the day, lost it while at college and entering the real world but obviously back into it a good bit with my son. He was good enough for D1 club team but not ECNL/MLS level although plenty of kids around us were/are.

The first thing I will say is the entire O'Toole family is absolutely top notch. Always have been. My goalie for my club team growing up is now womens college coach and he says the same thing about them. No, I am NOT part of their family. If you want straight answers to your questions why not ask Pat or Danny? If you do, tell them Trip suggested you do so.

Now, my understanding of club teams on north side...again no expert here...

1) Challenge took over what was left of Texans as they fell apart. The Challenge boys groups over in your area are really strong which is usually a combination of talent pool and coaching
2) Have friends who drive across town for one boys Albion team and they've been very happy and they are at the ECNL level. What I saw of their teams they were mostly all really good.
3) Aspire teams were REALLY good....as in dominant good for my sons age group. EVERY player was very technical with the ball and their movement and pace was fun to watch
4) HTX up in The Woodlands area is where they did ECNL, etc last I knew a year ago. I doubt that changed. Some of my sons teammates moved to those teams and were happy. Also, on related note one of my sons classmates was on the Dynamo Academy team but when he hit either 8th grade or maybe it was HS when he wanted to play another sport they bumped him down to ECNL which he is still at now so he can be kicker for football team
5) GFI....I only know of one team up there but it was a top flight team in my boys age group that when they started basically took on an entire team from our area that was really good. Those folks have been with GFI since they started up there and I know if they weren't happy the whole team would have left by now.

I hate how the teams all magically have tryouts the same week trying to horde talent. A simple thing you can do is contact each club during the season. Tell them what team your son plays on and that considering exploring options and ask to attend AND PARTICIPATE in a couple of practice sessions. Go watch and have your son experience what the coach is like. Usually several teams practicing at the same time with multiple coaches so go watch other coaches. Doesn't matter what age group...but should help give you a feel for the depth of their coach pool.

you're lucky that you have a lot of options not TOO far from you. I'd say a big piece of it is as others have mentioned...make sure your son likes his teammates and his coach. Then factor in drive time and cost.

as for age group....yes, when US soccer made the switch from following school year to calendar year it really sucked for the younger kids. But it helped the older kids within that year. I'm not sure what you mean by development year but at some point they will have to play either in their age group or up (if they have the size/skill)

someone else mentioned indoor teams/games it's been many years and not sure how far you are but have you checked out uscore soccer by Hooks airport? I grew up playing with/against the Baker brothers and they've really grown that operation. Not sure exactly what you're looking for there but figured I'd throw it out there
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To reiterate what Rudyjax said, coach over club all day everyday. I know nothing about boys soccer in Houston. My daughter has been playing high level soccer in the DFW area for a while now. She just left a high profile club to play at a club that is considered "not as good" bc coach got a higher profile position there. They will probably struggle this season but my daughter will probably have an opportunity to play past highschool solely based on her coach, who he knows and the people he is able to get his team in front of.
I know not much help but find a coach you like and who can help you kid grow as a player.
aggieswmr04
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Thanks for the good information! This is very helpful.

I never even considered discussing with Pat (don't know who Danny is- he's not on the website staff directory although the site is dated). I figured Pat was more focused on girls and high level teams. We also got our hands slapped a bit for exploring changing locations within the club, and it caused a lot of unnecessary stress on us and our son during tryouts where we learned you basically commit at tryouts since other teams have them at the same time. So I'm preparing for the next year and learning all these different things. It's starting to seem that whether it's ECNL/MLS Next isn't really a difference in philosophy/development. Or at least at this age where he may (depending upon that age group change) have 1 more year to focus on development with competitive play (I say it that way because that's how it seems to be labled on websites these pre-ENCL years 11/12 and under).

I know that at the end of spring season his team will be busted up as some kids go for that higher level option and he's one of the young ones that may not be eligible for that yet, or he may not want it, which is ok too. And to Buff6's point about limited positions for top spots- I have no idea how serious he's going to get so I'm just trying to educate to stay ahead of him, as well as educate myself on all these costs involved with various levels of commitment.

We've done some private training which was really far for us to drive but summer time allowed that opportunity it's not feasible with school and my other kid's activities. The amount of calls I made this summer with no returned calls, or unavailability was astonishing. We asked a few of his coaches who didn't offer privates, it's just been a frustrating thing to navigate as they all provide feedback and things to work on but we have nowhere to go to get the extra work done when the kid is committed to doing it. We looked into UScore but this summer they didn't have indoor options with his age group at the time and I needed a break from outdoor sports since we concluded baseball in late June.

Going and asking to practice to get a better idea of coaching philosophy and interaction is a great idea. I really appreciate you stating what may seem obvious. This is all just very new to us.

Thank you, and thanks to the others who have chimed in it's all good information
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aggieswmr04 said:

We have been with an organization going into our 3rd year for my son who plays competitive soccer in North Houston. Historically this org has been female focused.

As we get deeper into this sport, trying to understand the difference between MLS Next vs ECNL orgs. He has played a number of sports in the past and has now cut his focus down to 2, with soccer being his top choice right now.

Does anyone have any experience or opinions on the ECNL vs MLS Next & pros/cons to each We're wanting good development opportunities & orgs that communicate opportunities and paths-whatever level it may be- for their players.

Anyone know anything about HTX, Albion, Aspire, GFI, Houston Rangers, etc


EDIT: Sorry, being a cynic. I'll start my own thread
trip98
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Pat has been doing this a LOOOONG time! Literally decades. He will know every detail no matter if boys/girls side not just for challenge but for all the clubs in the area. Plus his grandson is part of Challenge. Not sure it would be a good move to ask him about the other clubs but he can certainly tell you about ECNL and MLS Next and any differences. Certainly ask him what to do now to put yourself in best position for next year, etc.

Danny is Pat's brother and is a board member for Challenge. So not in the day to day operations but still going to be very knowledgeable.

It sounds like your kid still has one year before his age group starts participating in ECNL and MLS Next. Keep in mind, eligibility is simply based off age. My son is a 2009. He's november birthday but he's still competing against the 2009 kids for spots on those teams. You can NOT play down a year. i.e. my son could NOT play on a 2010. You can only play UP a year. So my kid could play with 2008 or 2007 or 2006 if he was good enough.

So year born will tell you what group you are playing with. They will be labeled U-14, u-13, u-12, etc. That's all based on calendar year.

For ECNL/MLS it then matters based on skill level and what needs a team has. It won't matter if your kid was born in November or January.

I will say what others have and/or alluded to. It's simply don't get too wrapped up in having to be ECNL or MLS Next. Thats simply where they bubble up the better players. It's about your own kid improving and having fun no matter what team. And just b/c they don't make one of those now doesn't mean they won't later. Kids improve, kids plateau, kids get burned out....and especially as they get into JR High kids really grow physically so a lot is going to change in the next few years for his level. My kid was younger and smaller but then hit a growth spurt and the game changed completely for him

Lets say he doesn't make an ECNL team but some of his buddies do. So he stays on same "team" he is now but with some new players. Might give him a chance to be a leader. And he can also guest play. Doing so from one club to another is pretty much a no-no but within a club is certainly done a lot. For example, say he makes the D1 team for Challenge at Burroughs for his age group. But they also have a D2 team for his age group. He could play for both D1 and D2 teams. Your paying the same...he's getting more games and experience. And lets say he's on the D1 team and the ECNL team for Challenge practices at Zube. The ECNL team could ask him to come guest play as well. He may or may not get a lot of playing time with the ECNL but every bit helps

As for extra training a lot of the club coaches don't do that b/c they have so many practices and games already. The extra stuff will be with an outside party. I would not just look for private 1x1 lessons but group lessons. Lots of these folks will offer private sessions but they'll also do groups as well. Still can get good work/training in and it's cheaper. One of the biggest thing they do is work on technical work with the ball at your feet. He can find drills on youtube alone that will help him. The only option I know in that area would be FTFS Soccer done by Ty Beasley. I haven't seen any of his sessions and I only know of one person who took their kid over there (a hike for us) but they were pleased. Pat would very likely know of folks in the area who offer this.
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I coach at Aspire. Our boys teams are very strong, working on developing girls side as we don't currently offer a more competitive platform. Club methodology focuses on positional play. Kids have to be technical sound. Younger age groups we try to get them as technical as we can. MLS Next vs ECNL is not much different on boys side IMO. Girls side ECNL reigns over GA at college recruiting. At the end of the day it's about development for the kids and try and get them to develop to their full potential and place them in programs were they'll be a good fit. We're looking at colleges that will best fit our 09 boys currently and have placed some in high level colleges. You should definitely come try us out this season if y'all have the time. Would love to chat more.
aggieswmr04
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Thank you Trip. This has been very helpful. Would never ask Pat about changing clubs, but learning more about their philosophy is definitely something we need to do. Like I said we're familiar with other sports, the whole two path thing in soccer kind of threw us off combined with the unexpected pressure at spring tryouts.

Very much agree with everyone. We're definitely here to make sure he's enjoying what he's doing, he's getting enough physical exercise to sleep (that truly has been a problem his entire life), and the money we are paying makes sense. If he makes it to those elite teams, great if not that's ok too. And it's good to hear that even as they age and there are multiple teams they can guest and move around, because it seems like in baseball if you don't make the HS teams there aren't always options to continue to play. To me that's sad, but I won't get on my youth soap box rant here. I've got one kid that is extremely competitive and needs an outlet for that, and my other is completely opposite and enjoys being on sports teams but has zero aspirations for higher levels of competition- which is very much ok.

You've been great. I really appreciate it.
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Would love to talk more. We had a friend suggest looking into Aspire, but couldn't make it all work back in the spring.
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If you can email info@aspirefootballclub.com with your contact info, I'll ensure to get in touch with you. Just put "Texag" as the subject on the email.
trip98
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I'm pretty sure I'm with ya on the whole youth sports these days....too much demand on 1-2 sports...they should be playing MULTIPLE sports. As my ortho doctor told me...youth baseball paid for my beach house!!

A lot of my sons good buddies all play baseball and I'm just going to say baseball is insane. Soccer ain't perfect but its nowhere near as bad as baseball. There's 1000x "world series" and you HAVE to go out of town each summer for them. Now our friends are realizing how dumb that was all those years. Maybe when they get to HS go do those as "college showcases" or something like that. But 7-8-9-10 year olds doing weeks in gulf shores for a "world series"...laughable!!

From what we can tell from them is the HS aspect is a good bit y different from soccer. It seems like in baseball when they get to HS it becomes about both the HS team and the travel team. Particularly the summer travel team..not the fall. And then HS dominates the spring.

with soccer, it's less about the HS team and more about Club. But you have a few years to worry about that yet

If I follow where you're coming from the easiest way I can summarize is this...

with soccer you will hear levels such as D2 team, D1 team, and then ECNL/MLS Next. Think of that as single A, Double A, and Triple A for baseball.
Now there are so many players that each club will likely have multiple teams at each level. For example, the challenge teams at each of the locations (Meyer, Burroughs, Lyons, etc) will all have D1 teams. Then challenge ECNL/MLS might combine kids from a few locations and practice only at a particular place.

Focus on technical stuff starting now...then explore clubs over the year.

And txagpapi is right.....my son is an 09 and played under Dynamo/HTX ....the Aspire 09 boys were WICKED good. They smoked our boys team and pretty much everyone else. Usually kids get frustrated losing especially when it's 5-0 domination. But even our kids walked away learning something from when they played Aspire. My wife never played the game and didn't understand it. The best way I could describe it to her was ......Now THAT'S how your supposed to play this game!! Totally changed her perspective. It was cool to see kids able to play like that
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Aspire teams are really good at their man runs and movement into space to be an option, right?
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Yeah we did one year in the select baseball world and I wanted to fight everyone because it's just dumb how most orgs have it set up, some have it figured it out. No one at the high levels are playing 3-8 games in a weekend. No one. So why are young kids doing this over and over. It's no wonder there is so much injury. Not to mention, how baseball has become a country club sport with all the "needs". Coach told my son not to come back to practice until he got a better bat (aka one that didnt cost less $100) and I told Coach are you going to pay for that bat? But the damage was done my son thought he wouldn't be able to hit without an expensive bat, which he figured out later on wasn't the case. But I was in the minority while everyone else wanted to travel and do all these things and have $400 bats. I didn't travel until I was in high school and even then it was limited, and back then my parents weren't in it for me to get college scholarships like a lot of these parents do, although I was fortunate enough to walk on and compete D1.

At least soccer they just need a ball and some decent cleats for equipment expenses.

Like my husband said all these people spending all this money to try to get their kids into college ball and there are so few spots (plus I know how hard college athletics is, and some may not be able to handle the pressure). If they just save/invest that money they would have a 529 plan or be able to pay for their kids to go to School no problem.

So when my son said no more baseball for now, while it sucked to hear because we love watching him play, we also were ok because I didn't want to commit to all the nonsense again (and having the extra $$ is nice). I wish there was some middle ground between rec and crazy select in baseball for those kids that need a little more than the rec leagues have to offer but don't want to commit to travel ball at 10. Soccer at least has figured that out.
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amen
amen
amen

just keep him active...doesn't matter the sport....keep him improving and having fun

and BTW...how many 40 year olds do you see still playing baseball or football? how many do you see playing soccer (more than baseball and football)? and how many do you see GOLFING or FISHING??? A TON!!
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also sorry to add more...if you want another mom to talk to about soccer...hit up Ashley at Challenge.
She was a helluva player in HS....and is an Aggie having played at A&M
and her kids all play soccer
she can relate and when I had questions when my sons group was going to Challenge (right when he decided he was done) she was very helpful and nice
aggieswmr04
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And this 10 year old wants to hunt and fish too! And that is likely the bigger reason that baseball is out. He barely had enough time last year to hunt. And he loves the action in soccer so it gets first spot. Got his first buck on last day of bow season last year. This year he wants to do both rifle and bow and one sport will allow more flexibility if those ETx deer will cooperate. Wants to be in the fishing team in high school if he can (really would quit school to do sports if we would allow him )

And good to know about Ashley! When you're at the satellite campuses I think there is a bit of disconnect on the org set up, dynamic, and interaction.
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Aspire is definitely a good club. My son played for Imperial (yes that Imperial team) and we had many good battles. @TxagPapi- Would you also consider Rangers or one of the Inwood clubs or are they too transient?
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Imperial 2009 Black? Their 09 teams are way better than any other age year.
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yup
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