Before I read it, if we make trades and moves, we should be making them for long-term players only. We aren't one player away from being favorites in the West, so keep the powder dry.

Guitarsoup said:

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Before I read it, if we make trades and moves, we should be making them for long-term players only. We aren't one player away from being favorites in the West, so keep the powder dry.

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Is it crazy for me to like the Fox trade the best out of those 4 scenarios?

Enzo The Baker said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Before I read it, if we make trades and moves, we should be making them for long-term players only. We aren't one player away from being favorites in the West, so keep the powder dry.

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Is it crazy for me to like the Fox trade the best out of those 4 scenarios?

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I had the same thought. Jabari Smith would fit nice next to Wemby. However, the optics of immediately trading away a player of his caliber that forced his way here is a bad look to future players that may want to come to San Antonio.

This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I think if there's really concern about all of the overlap between Fox, Castle, Harper then the Castle is the smartest move. His value will probably never be higher coming off of being ROY and if he never turns into an average shooter then he's basically already at his ceiling.

I'm still in favor of drafting Harper and seeing what kind of development Castle has made and figuring it out from there. Like it was mentioned in the article, we don't wanna be the Kings that moved on from Haliburton too quickly because of fit.

West Texan said:

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Enzo The Baker said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Before I read it, if we make trades and moves, we should be making them for long-term players only. We aren't one player away from being favorites in the West, so keep the powder dry.

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Is it crazy for me to like the Fox trade the best out of those 4 scenarios?

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I had the same thought. Jabari Smith would fit nice next to Wemby. However, the optics of immediately trading away a player of his caliber that forced his way here is a bad look to future players that may want to come to San Antonio.

This isn't going to be a popular opinion, but I think if there's really concern about all of the overlap between Fox, Castle, Harper then the Castle is the smartest move. His value will probably never be higher coming off of being ROY and if he never turns into an average shooter then he's basically already at his ceiling.

I'm still in favor of drafting Harper and seeing what kind of development Castle has made and figuring it out from there. Like it was mentioned in the article, we don't wanna be the Kings that moved on from Haliburton too quickly because of fit.

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Yea I agree with all of this.

Enzo The Baker said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Before I read it, if we make trades and moves, we should be making them for long-term players only. We aren't one player away from being favorites in the West, so keep the powder dry.

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Is it crazy for me to like the Fox trade the best out of those 4 scenarios?

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• Miami Heat: Fox for Duncan Robinson, Haywood Highsmith, Nikola Jovi, the No. 20 pick and unprotected firsts in 2030 and 2032. Fox upgrades Miami's point guard spot, while San Antonio gets picks and three shooters, including a young piece in Jovi.
• Brooklyn Nets: Fox for Cam Johnson and draft capital. Johnson spaces the floor and fits the timeline.
• Houston Rockets: Fox (plus Malaki Branham and Blake Wesley) for Fred VanVleet, Jabari Smith, the 10th pick and future firsts. FVV gives the Spurs a vet, while Smith would be a fascinating fit next to Wemby.

Those were his three? I hated all of them.

I think KOC is either wrong or misrepresenting the catch and shoot ability of Fox, Harper, and Castle. Fox was 39% last year. He was down to 35% this year, but he was playing with the finger injury on his shooting hand.

This site has Harper at 42.3% on catch and shoots. HoopsHype has Harper at 45% on catch and shoots.

Vassell was 40% last year and 43% the year before.

I think the thing that makes the most sense is you have a set of assets that are movable (14, Devin, Jeremy, Julian, Barnes, Keldon, future firsts, MLE, etc) that you can use to improve the team. Look for the move that makes sense long term.

I think it makes the most sense to take Harper. Look for moves to improve our forwards. Fox gets his extension. Hopefully about 4y200M with declining or flat. It would start in the 26-27 season.

IF Harper and Castle are going to get big contracts, we have plenty of notice as Castle's doesn't kick in until 28-29 and Harpers would be 29-30. So you trade Fox in summer 2028 and get more picks/upgrade positions of need. Fox is still 30 with two years left on his contract, so he still has great trade value. And you have a back court of Harper/Castle set for the next 5+ years.

I completely disagree with KOCs theory of the best possible approach to maximize Wemby. Great shooting is obviously great to have but I'd argue that finding playmakers who are also really good defenders is harder. The Spurs have a chance to have three elite guards, they should absolutely take it. Everyone will shoot a higher percentage when every shot is wide open. That is the sneaky secret to OKCs success. They haven't even shot that well in the playoffs and yet have dominated.

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I completely disagree with KOCs theory of the best possible approach to maximize Wemby. Great shooting is obviously great to have but I'd argue that finding playmakers who are also really good defenders is harder. The Spurs have a chance to have three elite guards, they should absolutely take it. Everyone will shoot a higher percentage when every shot is wide open. That is the sneaky secret to OKCs success. They haven't even shot that well in the playoffs and yet have dominated.

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He's not totally wrong either. You have to balance the two, which is what has made OKC and Indiana so good during the playoffs. A bunch of switchable defenders who shoot it well enough to space the floor. If you have a bunch of really athletic defenders who can't shoot, then you're this years rockets or magic who really struggled to score because of their spacing issues. If you have shooters that can't defend, then you're hawks. Both have major flaws.

I think also trading Fox for Jabari and #10 a few months after Rich Paul forced Fox to us would be toxic as hell. We spent 3 firsts and 5 seconds to get Fox then we are going to turn around and flip him for a 1y rental of FVV (.378/.345 shooting this year) Jabari (12/7 PF that shoots about 43% and 35% from three) and pick #10 so we now have #2, #10, and #14? That makes absolutely no sense.

It makes way more sense to keep Fox and play Harper along side him since Harper has positional size (same height, weight, wingspan as Kobe plus a 37" vertical)

Make a list of targets that are young and potential long-term fits and see what it costs.

* Camara
* Deni
* Thybulle
* Murphy
* PJ Washington
* Franz Wagner
* JJJ
* MPJ
* Barnes
* Jalen Johnson
* Herb
* Jaden McDaniels
* Jarace Walker


Got a really wide range of guys in there. I am sure there are more if you dig in. I think we could get some of these guys on pretty good value just because of taking advantage of team situation.

Updated odds via @DKSportsbook on where Kevin Durant will play next season:

Spurs: +110
Rockets: +250
Knicks: +700
Timberwolves: +700
Suns: +700

San Antonio and Houston are becoming the overwhelming favorites on the market. pic.twitter.com/95fCt9RbDW

— Evan Sidery (@esidery) June 9, 2025

Looking better

Sochan putting in work! Working hard pic.twitter.com/filwUOU008

— J (@jtakuz) June 9, 2025

jteagle said:

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Looking better

Sochan putting in work! Working hard pic.twitter.com/filwUOU008

— J (@jtakuz) June 9, 2025

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Don't even need that bum Durant.

jteagle said:

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Looking better

Sochan putting in work! Working hard pic.twitter.com/filwUOU008

— J (@jtakuz) June 9, 2025

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First thing that stuck out to me is why is he working out at SA Clark HS?

That hitch in his jumper is slowly being worked out.

The Spurs explore roster changes and improving the team 24-7-365. 90% of things thrown against the wall don't stick. That said, I do think there is more activity than normal during this pre-draft process. Numerous do-able scenarios in play. I don't think moving Castle or #2 are…

— Don Harris (@DonHarris4) June 9, 2025

Love to hear that. Means we are looking to move wings + 14

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Love to hear that. Means we are looking to move wings + 14

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I think we are always open for business if the deal is right.

It's obvious we need to upgrade our forward position, but I don't think we do Durant

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414203/2025/06/10/nba-draft-guide-2025-top-100-prospects-cooper-flagg/

Vecenie's draft guide is live.

Harper a tier by himself. Dropped Ace to 6th overall.

Carter Bryant and Cedric Coward are in the 4th tier at 9 and 10.

Queen and Malauch dropped to 11 and 12.

Right behind them in a lower tier are Wolf and Sorber at 13 and 14.

He dropped Fears all the way to 18th.

McNeeley is 21st.

Raynaud is 31st.

Fleming is 33rd just above Drake Powell.



Those players that I'm higher on are Kon Knueppel, Cedric Coward, Collin Murray-Boyles, Noah Penda and Ryan Kalkbrenner. The guys I'm probably a bit lower on than consensus? Jeremiah Fears, Egor Demin, Noa Essengue and Rasheer Fleming. If you notice a trend there, I hope it's that I value high-level processors of the game with size and skill, while downgrading players who I think are interesting on-ball upside swings but have a lower chance to hit any sort of threshold with the ball in their hands.

The entire guide is 198 pages.

Houston and San Antonio aren't going to be trade partners.

I think you can extend Fox and if Castle/Harper take off, you can still move him pretty easily in two or three seasons, if desired.

I do think KD ends up in SA. Just hope the Spurs don't give up too much. Obviously what to do with Vassell and the upcoming Sochan extension are the two big questions here. Hard to gauge what the Spurs are thinking with these two guys.

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Houston and San Antonio aren't going to be trade partners.

I think you can extend Fox and if Castle/Harper take off, you can still move him pretty easily in two or three seasons, if desired.

I do think KD ends up in SA. Just hope the Spurs don't give up too much. Obviously what to do with Vassell and the upcoming Sochan extension are the two big questions here. Hard to gauge what the Spurs are thinking with these two guys.

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I saw one supposed "insider" say KD told Phoenix he wants SA. If that's true, it really limits/eliminates completely whatever leverage they had and gives SA a lot of options on how to proceed. If they do it, there has to be an understanding /agreement with what a future extension with KD looks like.

Final Offer - 10 2RPs for KD

Hearing that KD is trying to force the trade to SA.

Also that Fox and him are both going to sign extensions for home town discounts.

The Ringer updated and they have us taking Egor Demin, because we need a guard that can't shoot and doesn't play defense.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

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Hearing that KD is trying to force the trade to SA.

Also that Fox and him are both going to sign extensions for home town discounts.

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If we take Durant, that extension better be pretty cheap. 25% of the cap is probably too much.

FTAG 2000 said:

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Hearing that KD is trying to force the trade to SA.

Also that Fox and him are both going to sign extensions for home town discounts.

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How much of a "hometown discount" do you get for a guy who only spent 9 months and it was in a different town up the interstate?

Prepare for more games at Moody

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-proposal-sends-kevin-durant-to-lakers-hawks-add-rotation-wing-01jx8j5n8etg

SI's trade proposal for Durant is the first one I would agree to.

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Devin Vassell, Malaki Branham


Phoenix Suns Receive: Harrison Barnes, Terance Mann, 2025 1st round pick (via ATL, from SAS, #14)


San Antonio Spurs Receive: Kevin Durant, Kobe Bufkin, 2025 1st round pick (via SAC, from ATL, #13)


Could you imagine the rage that Hawks fans would have if we fleeced them again?

Guitarsoup said:

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https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-proposal-sends-kevin-durant-to-lakers-hawks-add-rotation-wing-01jx8j5n8etg

SI's trade proposal for Durant is the first one I would agree to.

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Devin Vassell, Malaki Branham


Phoenix Suns Receive: Harrison Barnes, Terance Mann, 2025 1st round pick (via ATL, from SAS, #14)


San Antonio Spurs Receive: Kevin Durant, Kobe Bufkin, 2025 1st round pick (via SAC, from ATL, #13)


Could you imagine the rage that Hawks fans would have if we fleeced them again?

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That is a wildly good trade for the Spurs. Add Durant and move up one draft spot. lol

Guitarsoup said:

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https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-proposal-sends-kevin-durant-to-lakers-hawks-add-rotation-wing-01jx8j5n8etg

SI's trade proposal for Durant is the first one I would agree to.

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Devin Vassell, Malaki Branham


Phoenix Suns Receive: Harrison Barnes, Terance Mann, 2025 1st round pick (via ATL, from SAS, #14)


San Antonio Spurs Receive: Kevin Durant, Kobe Bufkin, 2025 1st round pick (via SAC, from ATL, #13)


Could you imagine the rage that Hawks fans would have if we fleeced them again?

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Get KD and move up one spot in the draft?!? The hawks fans would lose their **** lol

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sign me the **** up!

I think I need to find something else to give Orlando to compensate for Black. But they hate KCP. So they could have a starting five of Suggs, Devin, Wagner, Paolo, and Wendell. The bench is weaker especially at guard without Black. Their fans seem to want Vassell and a PG. But they have 16 and 25.

Maybe 14 goes to Orlando and 16 goes to Dallas. Then they take Jase Richardson or Jeremiah Fears at 14.

Guitarsoup said:

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https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-three-team-trade-proposal-sends-kevin-durant-to-lakers-hawks-add-rotation-wing-01jx8j5n8etg

SI's trade proposal for Durant is the first one I would agree to.

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Devin Vassell, Malaki Branham


Phoenix Suns Receive: Harrison Barnes, Terance Mann, 2025 1st round pick (via ATL, from SAS, #14)


San Antonio Spurs Receive: Kevin Durant, Kobe Bufkin, 2025 1st round pick (via SAC, from ATL, #13)


Could you imagine the rage that Hawks fans would have if we fleeced them again?

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Somehow i find it necessary to point out that ATL's new GM got his start in the NBA with SSE.

The Spurs are now overwhelming betting favorites to acquire Kevin Durant, per @DKSportsbook:

San Antonio: -160
Rockets: +600
Knicks: +800
Timberwolves: +850

With the odds this heavy in favor of San Antonio, definitely something to monitor closely. pic.twitter.com/pLSo5vwVC5

— Evan Sidery (@esidery) June 11, 2025

Dang. We were just +120 two days ago. Something could be brewing.

I still think it's just "hat makes sense for this season" nonsense