***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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At least Spurs fans will stop talking about him. 5y125M is a good deal for Minnesota.
Enzo The Baker
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Guitarsoup said:




At least Spurs fans will stop talking about him. 5y125M is a good deal for Minnesota.

I'm glad we aren't getting Reid. I think he's pretty soft.
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Bingo.

He only had more than 12 points in 2 of 16 playoff games this year.

He has only had more than 8 rebounds in the playoffs once in his career. He's only had over 5 rebounds 7 times in 36 playoff games. He's only had over 12 points 8x in 36 playoff games.

Minnesota is 20-16 in his career playoff appearances, but Naz Reid is -44 across all those games. Included in that is -21 in the OKC closeout game and -14 in the Dallas closeout game last year.
FTAG 2000
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He was pretty pedestrian in the postseason. Ain't sad.

A bit more concerned about Boston trying to keep their bigs.
Enzo The Baker
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Unless it's a S&T, it's looking like either Lopez or Capela. Lopez makes sense with the Mitch Johnson connection. Honestly, the spurs probably need 2 more bigs.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6452980/2025/06/28/nba-draft-grades-team-by-team-2025/


Grade: A+
San Antonio Spurs
Selected Dylan Harper (No. 2), Carter Bryant (No. 14)
Traded No. 38 to Indiana for a future second-round pick and cash

The Spurs did what they were supposed to do this week. They added an elite player with genuine All-Star upside in Harper, and then they grabbed a terrific potential 3-and-D wing in Bryant to fill a roster hole.

What Harper becomes will ultimately tell the tale of whether this draft was a success. I'm a believer in his game. He ticks nearly every box. He created rim pressure at an elite level this year at Rutgers, despite playing in an archaic offense that lacked spacing. He drew fouls regularly and showcased enough vision as a passer that you can buy into him as a primary playmaker. Defensively, he's willing and competitive. He needs to improve as a pull-up shooter, but the Spurs should be able to bring him along slowly while he plays next to De'Aaron Fox or even comes off the bench early behind Fox and Stephon Castle. There will be some growing pains as the team figures out its spacing and on-ball responsibilities with this trio, but there are plenty of minutes to go around.

Bryant has great positional size for a wing and defensive chops. He's aggressive and a high-level competitor who turns up the pressure on that end of the court. He has terrific playmaking instincts to get into passing lanes and provide help in rim rotations. He profiles as switchable on defense and should manage perimeter players as well as fours. The key is finding a role on offense. I'm skeptical of his overall game on that end, but he is extremely likely to be a shooter, which makes it easier. The Spurs already have several on-ball players in Fox, Harper, Castle and Victor Wembanyama. They can afford to have a more limited player out there if he can shoot and is dynamic on defense.

All in all, they did about as well as you can do.
FTAG 2000
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jteagle said:




Fun fact. Bucky was trying to get him to transfer to the Ags. He decided to stay in the draft instead.
Guitarsoup
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Lonzo to Cleveland to Okoro
West Texan
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Bulls traded Caruso and now Lonzo and got zero picks out of either deal. You'd think they would have at least gotten a 2nd rounder or two.
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Giddey put up 21/11/9 on 50/47/81 shooting after the ASB and willed them to the playin. I don't hate that much.

Giddey with Matas and Essengue could develop into a really long, athletic, tough to defend trio
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Guitarsoup said:

Giddey put up 21/11/9 on 50/47/81 shooting after the ASB and willed them to the playin. I don't hate that much.

Giddey with Matas and Essengue could develop into a really long, athletic, tough to defend trio


You should always try and acquire picks when you're a rebuilding team.
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West Texan said:

Guitarsoup said:

Giddey put up 21/11/9 on 50/47/81 shooting after the ASB and willed them to the playin. I don't hate that much.

Giddey with Matas and Essengue could develop into a really long, athletic, tough to defend trio


You should always try and acquire picks when you're a rebuilding team.


Owner refuses to let them bottom out so they have to go for players
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Guitarsoup said:

West Texan said:

Guitarsoup said:

Giddey put up 21/11/9 on 50/47/81 shooting after the ASB and willed them to the playin. I don't hate that much.

Giddey with Matas and Essengue could develop into a really long, athletic, tough to defend trio


You should always try and acquire picks when you're a rebuilding team.


Owner refuses to let them bottom out so they have to go for players


Doesn't change that they should be getting at least some second rounders out of these deals. If you have some kind of positive asset, you should get more than a 1 to 1 player exchange.
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That's true when your players have value, but Lonzo Ball has none, they are honestly lucky to have shed the contract.

Caruso had value, but so did Giddey, he was just a really poor fit on the Thunder because he needs the ball in his hands and the Thunder couldn't afford to do that with SGA on the team. They tried to make him a spot up shooter, but that's not what he is and he struggled in that role.

Also, they got their own pick back (12) this year in the Fox/Lavine trade, which is about as much as you could dream of for Lavine and his inflated contract.

I agree with soup that a trio of Matas, Essengue and Giddey is intriguing on paper. I kind of anticipate them to take a "let the kids play" approach to this season and hope for some lottery luck next year.
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jteagle
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This kid is impressive.
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If he's our only big, I'm not a fan. If we can also get a solid center and Yabusele, it would give us a solid big man rotation.
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I think we can get Yabusele with the BAE and use the MLE for a guy like Looney, Kornet, or Goga.

Yabusele is not a good rim protector.
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FTAG 2000
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If he's our only big, I'm not a fan. If we can also get a solid center and Yabusele, it would give us a solid big man rotation.


Don't mind him as a bench minutes guy but we need someone stronger next to Wemby.
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FTAG 2000 said:

West Texan said:



If he's our only big, I'm not a fan. If we can also get a solid center and Yabusele, it would give us a solid big man rotation.


Don't mind him as a bench minutes guy but we need someone stronger next to Wemby.
I think he is dangerously close to washed, but we may just be giving Brook Lopez the MLE and Yabu the BAE then getting a vet min.
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Hollinger's big value for free agency:

Skipping Myles Turner and Naz Reid

3. Brook Lopez, Bucks, $21,501,456
Lopez deserves more than the nontaxpayer MLE, but getting somebody to pay it to him could prove problematic. The Nets don't need him, so he's depending on either Milwaukee's participation in a sign-and-trade or a strong offer from the Bucks to keep him. (Milwaukee has full Bird rights on Lopez, but his deal cannot be extended.)
If he finds an unfriendly market relative to the BORD$ value above, one thing Lopez could do is a two-year MLE deal for $29 million with a second-year player option that allows him to re-enter free agency a year from now. One thing that seems certain is that he won't lack for suitors at this price (keep an eye on Houston after the Rockets got to the 1-yard line with him two summers ago), which is why I suspect he'll be bid up above the MLE and end up either in a sign-and-trade or back with the Bucks.
Lopez is also eligible for a no-trade clause from the Bucks, which makes no sense from Milwaukee's perspective but would be objectively hilarious.

Skipping Hortford

5. Clint Capela, Hawks, $15,155,239
This is a rather optimistic reading of the 31-year-old Capela's market after he lost his starting job in Atlanta to Onyeka Okongwu last season. The Hawks have full Bird rights on Capela and could even extend him before free agency begins, but Atlanta has other offseason priorities and lacks infinite salary space.
If the Hawks draft a center with one of their two first-round picks (13th and 22nd), it seems unlikely Capela would be back. Capela is stretched as a starter but would be one of the best backup centers in the league; one wonders how he'd look in LA reunited with his old pick-and-roll partner James Harden. Note that Atlanta's Bird rights on Capela, in concert with his high salary last season, make sign-and-trades a distinct possibility.

6. Luke Kornet, Celtics, $13,834,865
The Green Kornet rises! Boston's 7-foot-2 insurance center was pressed into service for 73 games last season and turned out to be quite good, impacting games with his size as a rim runner and shot blocker. Kornet shot 67.5 percent and drew fouls at a high rate, proved to be a good passer on the roll who averaged nearly four assists for every turnover and posted a 4.8 percent block rate.
Those are borderline starter numbers, and while Kornet's limited track record and age (he turns 30 in July) will work against him, he's earned a significant raise from his minimum deal. He's also a fairly essential player for Boston to keep if it either loses Horford or trades Kristaps Porziis.

7. Paul Reed, Pistons, $10,110,334
No, I did not hack the BORD$ formula. I swear! B-ball Paul and Kornet were pretty clearly the two best third-string centers in the league, but Kornet got a lot more run because of Boston's injuries.
Reed is an acquired taste at just 6-9 with an iffy perimeter game and a proclivity for adventurous ballhandling. He also fouls on every play (8.2 personals per 100 possessions last season). But over time, his strengths outweigh his weaknesses. Reed runs the floor, zips around as a screener and is disruptive on defense (4.3 steals per 100 from a center is amazing). Somehow, some way, he always ends up with more assists than turnovers as well.

Reed isn't needed in Detroit, where the Pistons already have Jalen Duren and Isaiah Stewart, but his mobility and ability to play some power forward would make him a fit with an up-tempo team. At age 25, his next few years should be his best.

8. Kevon Looney, Warriors, $9,505,471
This number probably surprises people, especially because Looney is just 6-9, doesn't exude athleticism and has made two 3s over the last four seasons. Nonetheless, Looney has low-key value as a backup center because he's a monstrous rebounder (21.8 percent rebound rate last season, 10th in the league among players who played at least 500 minutes) who still makes an impact on defense when he doesn't have to switch.
Skeptics will point to his physical issues and question his fit outside the Warriors' unique system. However, Looney has missed only 14 games over the past four seasons, and he's only 29. At the very least, he should be a useful backup for the room exception. Golden State, alas, may not be the right fit for him anymore, as the Warriors have other priorities with sub-apron money and a developing alternative in Quinten Post (below).

9. Day'Ron Sharpe, Nets, $9,116,630 (R)
The Nets have oodles of cap room and likely will use at least some of it to keep Sharpe on a team-friendly deal following the end of his rookie contract. The Nets have matching rights as long as they make a $5.98 million qualifying offer and shouldn't face serious threats of an offer sheet given their ability to match.
Sharpe has a cap hold for $11.97 million, which is high enough that the Nets likely would sign him to a deal early in the free-agent process to get his new number on the books instead of the $11.97 million number.
However, watch for Brooklyn to front-load the deal and add the maximum allowable 15 percent in incentives, specifically ones that are "unlikely" as far as the cap rules are concerned, but are achievable for Sharpe. The front-loading helps the Nets manage their cap in future seasons when the rest of the roster is likely to be more expensive, while the incentives are to let him agree to a lower guaranteed salary that would operate as his cap number hit season.
Imagine, for instance, a four-year, $40 million deal where $6 million of it is incentives; front-loading it would mean the first year would come in just under $11.5 million, but $1.5 million of it would be "unlikely" incentives that drag the cap number down below $10 million for 2025-26. The contract would then contain 8 percent declines to a final season of $8.6 million, of which $1.3 million would be incentives.

14. Larry Nance Jr., Hawks
Nance gets hurt every year, playing only 24 games last season and never playing more than 67 in any of his 10 pro seasons, but he remains effective when he's on the court. Nance shot 44.7 percent from 3 last season; while he's unlikely to repeat that performance, his 35.3 percent career mark is indicative of some stretch capability. He's also a smart passer and a crafty screener. His 32-year-old legs still uncorked 16 dunks in 463 minutes.
Nance's biggest downside comes defensively, where he's a 6-8 guy masquerading as a center. While experience, mobility and leaping make up for some of it, he doesn't protect the rim or rebound like a true center, and on a good team, he would probably split time between the two frontcourt slots.
Atlanta will have full Bird rights on Nance but has other priorities in free agency, including signing another center to go ahead of him on the depth chart. While the Hawks value him in the locker room, Nance wants to play and thus might not be back.

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PFs:

9. Jabari Walker, Trail Blazers, $7,334,585 (R)
This number is probably a surprise, as Walker was an afterthought in Portland's rotation a year ago; there were just too many bigs in the queue ahead of him. That could make him an under-the-radar pickup someplace else; Walker shot 38.9 percent from 3 and is only 22 and has always been effective as a paint finisher and rebounder in his three pro seasons.
Portland will have restricted free-agent rights on him if the Blazers make his qualifying offer for a piddling $2.4 million, but the Blazers would likely flinch at a decent offer sheet since they have tax issues and a surfeit of bigs. It's hard to see retaining Walker being a huge priority for them.

10. Guerschon Yabusele, Sixers, $6,448,720
"The Dancing Bear" was one of the few pleasant surprises in Philly last season, coming over late in summer after a strong Paris Olympics and starting 43 games.
He ended up averaging double figures (11.0), shooting 38.0 percent from 3, holding up better than expected defensively and creating a completely unexpected conundrum for this summer: How does Philly keep him? Yabusele signed a one-year minimum deal in 2024, and the Sixers have no Bird rights, so they have to use exception money to retain him. Also, remember that using more than the taxpayer MLE would cap Philly at the first apron, which isn't impossible but would require a fairly impressive feat of cap limbo.
Fortunately, this BORD$ value suggests a fair solution: a one-plus-one deal with a player option for the taxpayer MLE of $5.685 million. That's a bit below Yabusele's BORD$ estimate, but it's offset by the ability to opt out for greater riches with early Bird rights a year from now. Meanwhile, it offers the secure fallback of a $6.2 million option for the 2026-27 season if things don't go as he hoped.

11. Chris Boucher, Raptors, $5,615,423
Amid the general decrepitude in Toronto last season, Boucher quietly had one of his best seasons at age 32; notably, he jacked up his 3-point volume and knocked down 36.3 percent of his deliveries.
While Boucher is too thin to take many minutes at center, his secondary shot blocking is a real plus, and he's a threat as a rim runner when he isn't bombing from the corners. On a good team, he probably works best as a fourth big, but there should be a short-term deal out there for him.

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Kornet is still my favorite. I could deal with a 1+1 deal for Lopez. He'd be a good leader for the team and would give us serious size. Then BAE for Yabusele seems like it is a done deal.

Then a vet min depth guy. Maybe Taj Gibson for the leadership. Jock Landale, Mamu, etc
Guitarsoup
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Sadly, Ace Bailey has reported to Utah.

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We are so back.
jteagle
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This is an interesting pickup. Shot 41% from on almost 6 attempts per game at North Dakota St. Might be worth the last 2 way just to see what he has.
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I was hoping JWill would be a casualty of their roster crunch. Guess not.

They did spend a second to dump Jones.



Last year they spend 5 second round picks to get Jones and then they spent 1 second to dump him. So wasted 6 seconds on him total. Well done, Presti.
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Lakers: her we need to you take a small paycut so we have the full MLE instead of taxpayer MLE

LeBron:

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We are so back.
All kidding aside, I think Minix will play real minutes in the NBA at some point. Ingram, maybe not.
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Just FYI
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If he doesn't play for the Spurs at some point, then what the hell has anyone been doing?!?
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Why would they want Nurk? I thought Sexton had some actual useful value.
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Why would they want Nurk? I thought Sexton had some actual useful value.


Yeah, that's a weird trade. My brother in law that's a mavs fan had talked about wanting Sexton to help fill in while Kyrie is out.
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I was hoping to work out a three way deal where we send Devin to Utah, Sexton to Dallas and we end up with PJ Washington as our PF.
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