***** Official Houston Astros 2025 Season Thread *****

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If we lose this series or get swept there is no "that's baseball, it happens"

Not with how we've been swept and beaten really badly by bad teams for the past few months at home
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tjack16 said:
If we lose this series or get swept there is no "that's baseball, it happens"

Not with how we've been swept and beaten really badly by bad teams for the past few months at home

I guess I'm confused by this statement. If there's no "that's baseball, it happens," then what? Are you saying we should forfeit our season because we lose to **** teams? It sucks, it hurts as we're giving away 2-3 wins. But it doesn't change the fact that we still have a pretty decent chance to make the playoffs. So, yeah, I guess it is baseball and you move on and don't dwell on it.
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We've been blessed to see enough elite baseball played from 2017-22 to know what a team that has "it," or at least may, looks like versus a team that does not.

Well up until the All-Star break we were an ELITE team, injuries and players going cold does not help, but getting swept by the Rockies and beating difficult teams is TYPICAL astros baseball.

But I will admit, this does not look good, with Seattle on our Tail, and were probably the highest RISP team with the Lowest runs.
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all right, for tonight's lineup...

Correa & Yordan hit back-to-back

Joe can figure out the sequence
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tjack16 said:
If we lose this series or get swept there is no "that's baseball, it happens"

Not with how we've been swept and beaten really badly by bad teams for the past few months at home

*The past few years
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8:42a
Could have gotten +700 on the Rockies to win straight up yesterday and the under hitting parlay. Easy money
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all right, for tonight's lineup...

Correa & Yordan hit back-to-back

Joe can figure out the sequence

This. Put Altuve at 2 or 4, either way, Yordan at 3 and Correa either in front of or behind him.
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htxag09 said:
tjack16 said:
If we lose this series or get swept there is no "that's baseball, it happens"

Not with how we've been swept and beaten really badly by bad teams for the past few months at home

I guess I'm confused by this statement. If there's no "that's baseball, it happens," then what? Are you saying we should forfeit our season because we lose to **** teams? It sucks, it hurts as we're giving away 2-3 wins. But it doesn't change the fact that we still have a pretty decent chance to make the playoffs. So, yeah, I guess it is baseball and you move on and don't dwell on it.

But we aren't just giving away 2-3 games, we're losing series to bad teams AT HOME.


0-3 vs SF
0-3 vs CLE
0-4 vs As
1-2 vs BAL
1-2 vs TEX

not to mention losing a series @CHW


The Rockies are historically bad and you're right - we could blow the doors off of them the next two nights and we wash our hands and win the series, but the way we play down to our opponents is frightening.
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Johnsy3 said:
htxag09 said:
tjack16 said:
If we lose this series or get swept there is no "that's baseball, it happens"

Not with how we've been swept and beaten really badly by bad teams for the past few months at home

I guess I'm confused by this statement. If there's no "that's baseball, it happens," then what? Are you saying we should forfeit our season because we lose to **** teams? It sucks, it hurts as we're giving away 2-3 wins. But it doesn't change the fact that we still have a pretty decent chance to make the playoffs. So, yeah, I guess it is baseball and you move on and don't dwell on it.

But we aren't just giving away 2-3 games, we're losing series to bad teams AT HOME.


0-3 vs SF
0-3 vs CLE
0-4 vs As
1-2 vs BAL
1-2 vs TEX

not to mention losing a series @CHW


The Rockies are historically bad and you're right - we could blow the doors off of them the next two nights and we wash our hands and win the series, but the way we play down to our opponents is frightening.

I don't disagree. Yes, it's frustrating. But I still don't understand these comments. Acting like we should fire all our coaches in August, when we're in first in the AL West, because we lose to crap teams.
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We would not be in first or even within a couple games of it in any other division in baseball (nor are we guaranteed to stay in first in this one much longer after blowing every chance to put distance between us and the Mariners). Come playoff time, the causes and implications of that fact will likely be consequential.

I'm not talking about firing anyone personally, but there is no way to hand-wave how frequently this team completely loses focus, the fact that it's the same issues every time they do it, and how little confidence it inspires.
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In reply to Beau Holder • 9:17a
I think a lot of it comes down to the Astros are just an average to good baseball team, not a great one. They could easily get hot and make a deep run in the playoffs, or just as easily lose the division by 5 games.
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I think a lot of it comes down to the Astros are just an average to good baseball team, not a great one. They could easily get hot and make a deep run in the playoffs, or just as easily lose the division by 5 games.

100% agree with this.
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htxag09 said:
tjack16 said:
If we lose this series or get swept there is no "that's baseball, it happens"

Not with how we've been swept and beaten really badly by bad teams for the past few months at home

I guess I'm confused by this statement. If there's no "that's baseball, it happens," then what? Are you saying we should forfeit our season because we lose to **** teams? It sucks, it hurts as we're giving away 2-3 wins. But it doesn't change the fact that we still have a pretty decent chance to make the playoffs. So, yeah, I guess it is baseball and you move on and don't dwell on it.


"It's baseball, it happens" is for when a good team has a questionable series or two (2019 Astros swept at home by the pirates or something similar)

A team with World Series aspirations playing .400 ball with an easy schedule since July 7th is a bad trend. And it doesn't bode well. But if everybody keeps acting like it'll all work itself out and let's not worry… then it'll be a quick trip in October if they make it at all.

Something with the team mentally has to change. You can't get blown out CONSISTENTLY at home to under .500 teams and expect to win a title
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I think a lot of it comes down to the Astros are just an average to good baseball team, not a great one. They could easily get hot and make a deep run in the playoffs, or just as easily lose the division by 5 games.

I think the fact that this team is evidently not deep playoff run good is all most people are saying, and it's frustrating with the talent on the roster and how much of the consistent backsliding is against cannon fodder opponents.

I believe they're 31-29 over their last 60 if I remember seeing right from yesterday. Outside of that hot June this is literally a .500 team, virtually all year.
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I think a lot of it comes down to the Astros are just an average to good baseball team, not a great one. They could easily get hot and make a deep run in the playoffs, or just as easily lose the division by 5 games.


This.

And honestly that's about what most of us predicted before the season began.
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I think a lot of it comes down to the Astros are just an average to good baseball team, not a great one. They could easily get hot and make a deep run in the playoffs, or just as easily lose the division by 5 games.



Top 4 record seems great to me

Our issues are injury related, so wherever we stand with regards to that will determine if we are good or great going into the playoffs

Pitchers returning from a long time off are not going to be pitching at their potential

Meyers and possibly Paredes may be coming back along with Yordan
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AustinCountyAg said:
I think a lot of it comes down to the Astros are just an average to good baseball team, not a great one. They could easily get hot and make a deep run in the playoffs, or just as easily lose the division by 5 games.

I think the fact that this team is evidently not deep playoff run good is all most people are saying, and it's frustrating with the talent on the roster and how much of the consistent backsliding is against cannon fodder opponents.

I believe they're 31-29 over their last 60 if I remember seeing right from yesterday. Outside of that hot June this is literally a .500 team, virtually all year.


17-25 since the Dodgers series (.404 winning percentage)

Which would put us on pace for a 65-97 season
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In reply to tjack16 • 9:31a
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htxag09 said:
tjack16 said:
If we lose this series or get swept there is no "that's baseball, it happens"

Not with how we've been swept and beaten really badly by bad teams for the past few months at home

I guess I'm confused by this statement. If there's no "that's baseball, it happens," then what? Are you saying we should forfeit our season because we lose to **** teams? It sucks, it hurts as we're giving away 2-3 wins. But it doesn't change the fact that we still have a pretty decent chance to make the playoffs. So, yeah, I guess it is baseball and you move on and don't dwell on it.


"It's baseball, it happens" is for when a good team has a questionable series or two (2019 Astros swept at home by the pirates or something similar)

A team with World Series aspirations playing .400 ball with an easy schedule since July 7th is a bad trend. And it doesn't bode well. But if everybody keeps acting like it'll all work itself out and let's not worry… then it'll be a quick trip in October.

Something with the team mentally has to change. You can't get blown out CONSISTENTLY at home to under .500 teams and expect to win a title

you 100% can when you aren't a great team. I think a lot of people here need to re-shuffle there expectations back to reality. This isn't the 2019 team, and the Astros most likely won't be anywhere close to that level again anytime soon. Just enjoy the fact that they are even in contention for a playoff spot. Many pundits had the team picked third for the division before the season started.
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AustinCountyAg said:
I think a lot of it comes down to the Astros are just an average to good baseball team, not a great one. They could easily get hot and make a deep run in the playoffs, or just as easily lose the division by 5 games.

I think the fact that this team is evidently not deep playoff run good is all most people are saying, and it's frustrating with the talent on the roster and how much of the consistent backsliding is against cannon fodder opponents.

I believe they're 31-29 over their last 60 if I remember seeing right from yesterday. Outside of that hot June this is literally a .500 team, virtually all year.

I completely agree we're an average to good team. But not sure I would say we're not "deep playoff run good." Bets are off in the playoffs....

I mean look at the Rangers, things could click and we could get hot. We have the potential in our pitching and even in our bats. Now, I still wouldn't be putting my money on it....but never know.

And, most importantly, you don't play sub .500 teams in the playoffs.
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I don't disagree that we're an average-to-good team who had a hot June. But even so, average-to-good teams don't go 2-14 at home to SF, CLE, OAK, BAL, and TEX
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In reply to Johnsy3 • 9:40a
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we're 6-14 in our last 20 home games

that means we were 32-14 in the first 46 home games (more than twice the current sample size)

we have diverged from the average in both directions, but if this had happened in the first two months of the season no one would be talking about it (if the stretches had reversed)

a lot of the frustration is recency bias as the season winds down (also the blow outs, most would understand a bad record in one run games as flukey, but the blow outs FEEL really, really bad)
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All you have to do is get in and any team has a chance to make a deep run.

Hell in 2020 we barely scooted in and ended up taking the ALCS to GM 7.

Get in, get healthy, and let the chips fall where they may.
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I could see us winning the wild card series… my worry is we aren't consistent enough to win more than one series… let alone 3 to get to the World Series.

If we win the first series and make it a competitive ALDS, I'll consider it a success given the injuries and inconsistencies of the season.
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Still some unknowns with this team that have me cautiously optimistic. They haven't had any consistency from a lineup standpoint pretty much all season. Once Meyers gets back and Yordan is in the lineup consistently hopefully Joe can stick with something that works. Pair that with the returns of Garcia and France, and this team could look a lot different.

The key issue is the race against the calendar. With only 30 games left in the regular season you don't have a lot of time to bring guys along slowly or wait for them to work out the kinks. Pray they figure it out and catch fire when it matters most.
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Still some unknowns with this team that have me cautiously optimistic. They haven't had any consistency from a lineup standpoint pretty much all season. Once Meyers gets back and Yordan is in the lineup consistently hopefully Joe can stick with something that works. Pair that with the returns of Garcia and France, and this team could look a lot different.

The key issue is the race against the calendar. With only 30 games left in the regular season you don't have a lot of time to bring guys along slowly or wait for them to work out the kinks. Pray they figure it out and catch fire when it matters most.

Man, that's a big ask considering how our previously injured pitchers have come back this season. Yikes
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It's also not like France was particularly good before he got hurt.
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Johnsy3 said:
CFTXAG10 said:
Still some unknowns with this team that have me cautiously optimistic. They haven't had any consistency from a lineup standpoint pretty much all season. Once Meyers gets back and Yordan is in the lineup consistently hopefully Joe can stick with something that works. Pair that with the returns of Garcia and France, and this team could look a lot different.

The key issue is the race against the calendar. With only 30 games left in the regular season you don't have a lot of time to bring guys along slowly or wait for them to work out the kinks. Pray they figure it out and catch fire when it matters most.

Man, that's a big ask considering how our previously injured pitchers have come back this season. Yikes

I'm just fishing for anyone that can take Lance's place in the rotation
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10:49a
Dog days of August are over or might as well be, and excuses are lame. Time to win or shut up. Losing this series at home is unacceptable.
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I don't disagree that we're an average-to-good team who had a hot June. But even so, average-to-good teams don't go 2-14 at home to SF, CLE, OAK, BAL, and TEX

The casual fan doesn't even know who a large part of our squad is from week to week. The team has been a revolving door of minor leaguers and DFA's for a large part of the season. IT feels like our anticipated opening day roster has spent as much time if not more on the ILs as in major league parks. Zero continuity for most of the year.

Look, I want to continue to win like the last decade. I think if we had our expected roster for most of the year, we'd already have the division sewn up. But that hasn't happened and this point I don't have much faith will suddenly get and stay healthy when we've shown little ability to do so the last couple of years.

The team isn't living up to expectations, but that also not fair considering it's felt more like watching the Space Cowboys and the league's recycling play in Astros jerseys instead of the boys.

My concern is instead of cutting bait and starting to try and figure out what young pieces are the future and start the rebuild, we'll just keep throwing money at dinged up has beens and could be's and continue to limp into mediocrity over the next 5 years.
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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 11:12a
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yep, that's what happened in 2023 with Brantley

did not have enough time to ramp up for the playoffs
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let's not forget the bottomline...

according to spotrac...the Astros rank 6th in MLB in active payroll at $230 MM

behind the Dodgers, Mets. Yankees, Phillies, and Blue Jays

the franchise is not spending $230 MM to "slip into the playoffs" or "maybe win the wildcard series"
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W said:
yep, that's what happened in 2023 with Brantley

did not have enough time to ramp up for the playoffs

I don't think Brantley ever fully recovered. I think he just wanted to end his career on the field and not the IL.
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11:19a
Offensively, this team reminds me a lot of the late 90s teams. A couple of monsters in the lineup, but even those guys are mostly making their money off of the caiber of pitchers they're not going to see in the playoffs.

In 97, the Astros scored: 1, 3, 1 in the playoffs = 5 runs (1.67 /game)
In 98, it was: 1, 5, 1, 1 8 runs ( 2 per game)
In 99, it was: 6, 1, 3, 5 (15 runs (3.75 per game)
In 01, it was 4, 0, 2 (6 runs, 2 per game)

So 99 is sort of the outlier, although they lost that one game 7-5.


We saw the weak-ass playoff offense back last last year with 3 total runs vs Detroit. I hope I'm wrong, but the Astros' MO the whole season on offense has been to swing early in counts at pitches that the pitchers obviously want them swinging at, making a lot of soft contact, and being forced to play station to station, but doing so with a very inconsistent commitment to their running game, which is pretty essential if you're having to play small ball by default because outside of Paredes and Caratini, nobody works the count consistently - Yordan gets a free pass for now if he can regain that form, great.

What really concerns me the most is that outside of Jake and Paredes early before their injuries and Walker here lately, the Astros' two biggest offensive improvements didn't happen by managerial strategy or by hitting coach prowess, but by total accident! Pena moved to leadoff on a whim of a suggestion by Altuve, who was having to run in on his stubby little legs from left field and getting tired. Altuve moving to third was because he sucked so hard hitting 2nd and then couldn't hit leadoff again because Pena was killing it.

The last game I was at, the extra inning win over Baltimore when they retire Wagner's jersey, was the case in point of why I think they have little to no shot of making a playoff run. Espada manages like he's a 12 year old playing a video game. Once it's late in the game, he's hitting all of his buttons and going for every pinch hitter, every strategy, every - everything with no regards to how it might impact the game later. In that game, he had a pitcher stuck in the middle of the lineup who they were going to have to bat or burn if Baltimore wasn't a bunch of morons. The other day, they burned Caratini for a single AB and didn't leave him to DH, then Diaz took one on the hand. If that thing is any more serious, you're about to have Dubon playing catcher for the first time ever.

It's just really infuriating and with Hader out indefinitely, the margin of error late in close is just that more razor thin.
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11:31a
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Which of the American League playoff teams would you confidently pick us to beat in a 7 game playoff series?
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Confidently? None unfortunately.
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