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Just saw the replay… looked pretty dang safe to me.

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Yeah that was horrible. What's even the point of replay if they continue to **** it up?

Was absolutely safe. Complete game changing ineptitude.

New York City? Get a rope!

This **** blows my ****ing mind. If we are late on fastballs all the time, why don't we spend BP with the machine set 95 to work on timing? Instead we have Beasley throwing meatballs so the guys can practice hitting 450 ft tanks

Nate Lowe was exhibit A. I saw that guy hit multiple balls off the facade of the suite level in right field during BP. Never saw him come close to that in a real game situation.

I don't understand why I keep listening to the games even when we're 2 games below .500 and at least 6 games behind for a wild card spot with 30 whatever games left to play.

I'm so disappointed with myself...

what else are you going to do, talk to your family?

someone sniff out the replay officials fan duel accnt….. it was that bad!!!

Why do that when you can stare at the iPad 24/7.

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I don't understand why I keep listening to the games even when we're 2 games below .500 and at least 6 games behind for a wild card spot with 30 whatever games left to play.

I'm so disappointed with myself...

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I saw someone on the football board last year say "if I could take out the part of my brain that cared I would, but I can't, so here we are." That probably applies here. We are fans. It's in our blood to care no matter how low the lows.

Oh well. Football season is just about here. Thanks Rangers for bridging the gap, but these guys are cooked.

This team has lots of talent. Might just be the most un-clutch team I've ever watched (up there with the 2011 football team). Can't hit with RISP. Can't come back once down. Bullpen can't hold or close games in the late innings. It's maddening. Now they just seem to have quit.

It's time to get a new manager in here with a new message.

Bochy is an all time great and what he does in the playoffs is amazing but they're not listening to him.

Nagler said:

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It's time to get a new manager in here with a new message.

Bochy is an all time great and what he does in the playoffs is amazing but they're not listening to him.

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According to Bacsik he gave an all-time great speech prior to our Sunday win in Toronto.

I've gone back and forth on him this year. Hard to figure out. Unless he's just flipping done, he might talk to CY about what we are going to do with the roster next season. Moving Adolis, Heim, Jung, 1B clusterF's will make us look totally different.

Is Skip for sure next in line?

Evan Grant wrote in the DMNs that Josh Jung will be on the bench quite a bit down the stretch of the season, and that CY and the front office view him and his game as "volatile" right now. Signals to me that Jung's future with this team is very much in question and he could be on his way out this summer (I personally hope he is).

That makes Heim, Garcia and Jung, and likely Joc as serious contenders to not be on this team next year.

How can you trust a guy that's never shown the ability to be on the field consistently in his pro career? Even if he does put it together on the field, the question remains if you can get more than 100 games out of him.

Tksymm7 said:

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Evan Grant wrote in the DMNs that Josh Jung will be on the bench quite a bit down the stretch of the season, and that CY and the front office view him and his game as "volatile" right now. Signals to me that Jung's future with this team is very much in question and he could be on his way out this summer (I personally hope he is).

That makes Heim, Garcia and Jung, and likely Joc as serious contenders to not be on this team next year.

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Will be interesting to see. Jung has been a disappointment. Heim, Garcia and Joc are almost certainly gone. Guys I want to see back next year:

Seager
Semien
Langford
Carter
Smith
Higgy


I think all in that group will be back. Smith is such a valuable guy, but I don't see him with a permanent position unless they can convince Seager to move to 3rd or 1st so Smith can play SS. Anyone see that happening? So, if you assume Smith remains the most valuable utility guy in the league, here is what you have:

1B - ?
2B - Semien
SS - Seager
3B - ?
LF - Langford
CF - Carter
RF - ?
C - Higgy

So our three biggest question marks happen to be at the three biggest power bat positions - RF, 1B and 3B. Garcia is almost certainly gone, so we will be looking for a right fielder. Slight chance we bring Burger back at 1B, but not sure about that. What happens at 3B? Are we done with Jung?

WestTexasAg said:

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What happens at 3B? Are we done with Jung?

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He's a right handed Josh Smith, but I'd like to see us bring Kiner-Falefa back to play 3B. Contact hitter, would be inexpensive, doesn't get injured. Not your typical HR threat at 3B, but he's consistent.

Kyle Tucker benched in Chicago for mental reset. Strange year all around.

Joc is on the books for $18.5M next year. He's going to get a shot.

I think the plan is to see if Freeman can be the guy. He certainly lit it up at AAA and is clearly getting an audition for next season.

Don't disagree, but we also need to see some serious improvement from Langford and Carter (doubt it from him but point stands). Langford MUST end up being a .250 hitter with 25+ homers at minimum for this team to truly go. Then like you said we need two more real bats, and those bats likely need to be guys who can be clubhouse vocal leaders. Tough ask.

South Platte said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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What happens at 3B? Are we done with Jung?

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He's a right handed Josh Smith, but I'd like to see us bring Kiner-Falefa back to play 3B. Contact hitter, would be inexpensive, doesn't get injured. Not your typical HR threat at 3B, but he's consistent.

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Meh. I'd rather see what Cody Freeman can do for the next month if we are going to look at more of a contact hitter. Feels like you need a little more pop at 3B though.

Tksymm7 said:

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Don't disagree, but we also need to see some serious improvement from Langford and Carter (doubt it from him but point stands). Langford MUST end up being a .250 hitter with 25+ homers at minimum for this team to truly go. Then like you said we need two more real bats, and those bats likely need to be guys who can be clubhouse vocal leaders. Tough ask.

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Langford isn't far from that now, and may end up there by the end of the year. Carter has been pretty good when healthy.

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South Platte said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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What happens at 3B? Are we done with Jung?

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He's a right handed Josh Smith, but I'd like to see us bring Kiner-Falefa back to play 3B. Contact hitter, would be inexpensive, doesn't get injured. Not your typical HR threat at 3B, but he's consistent.

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Meh. I'd rather see what Cody Freeman can do for the next month if we are going to look at more of a contact hitter. Feels like you need a little more pop at 3B though.

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Freeman had 19 HR in 384 ABs at RR, slg of 549 and OPS of 932 - and only 37 Ks. He's got power in addition to making good contact.

rbtexan said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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South Platte said:

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WestTexasAg said:

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What happens at 3B? Are we done with Jung?

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He's a right handed Josh Smith, but I'd like to see us bring Kiner-Falefa back to play 3B. Contact hitter, would be inexpensive, doesn't get injured. Not your typical HR threat at 3B, but he's consistent.

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Meh. I'd rather see what Cody Freeman can do for the next month if we are going to look at more of a contact hitter. Feels like you need a little more pop at 3B though.

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Freeman had 19 HR in 384 ABs at RR, slg of 549 and OPS of 932 - and only 37 Ks. He's got power in addition to making good contact.

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I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do the rest of this season. He only has one hit these last two games in place of Jung, but has made some good contact and been a bit unlucky. Zero Ks. I like his approach at the plate from the limited ABs I have seen.

I think this is going to be a very interesting offseason. Really curious to see what they do.

I think Heim and Garcia are gone and CY's comments make me think that Jung might be as well. I would bring Burger back. When he's healthy, the dude can play and I like his attitude. The constant gum chewing wears me out, but everything else is good.

Oh, and Cody Freeman is exactly the type of player the roster needs. Osuna too. I don't know if either of them will work out, but everything that they have done well in the minors is what needs to be inserted into the major league lineup. Put the ball in play and run the bases well. Move the runners around. Enough of this swinging out of your shoes at strike three in the dirt with a runner on third and less than two outs. Just stop that.

CowtownAg06 said:

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Joc is on the books for $18.5M next year. He's going to get a shot.

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Looking to find out if he gets sent through Waivers this week or next.

There was a fan survey sent out for the Rangers this week.

One question was about your level of interest.

"I am emotionally vested" was the most committed option. And then I finished the submission... turn on the Rangers' game and watched Leiter go 3-0... 3-1... HR to the leadoff guy... and watched the rest.

DallasAg 94 said:

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CowtownAg06 said:

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Joc is on the books for $18.5M next year. He's going to get a shot.

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Looking to find out if he gets sent through Waivers this week or next.

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He will. Zero chance someone eats that deal. All 3 pitchers we acquired at the deadline and maybe Doli is what who I'm watching.

I know we've all been frustrated with Joc this season, but why release him when he's under contract for next year? It's been a complete disaster of a season for just about everybody. Why not see if he can return to form next year under a completely new staff?

He's still only a year removed from a career year. Even if he is back to just his average self next year, then he's the second best hitter on the team.

They are saying put him out there where someone else can claim him which would involve taking his contract too. If no one does, you pull him back

DannyDuberstein said:

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They are saying put him out there where someone else can claim him which would involve taking his contract too. If no one does, you pull him back

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But if you do that you show a lack of confidence in him and/or you may harm the club's relationship with him.

If I'm the club I'm reassuring him he's part of the team's plan for next year, and beyond that if he performs well. I think the best thing for the Rangers is having a normal Joc Pederson season next year.

shack009 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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They are saying put him out there where someone else can claim him which would involve taking his contract too. If no one does, you pull him back

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But if you do that you show a lack of confidence in him and/or you may harm the club's relationship with him.

If I'm the club I'm reassuring him he's part of the team's plan for next year, and beyond that if he performs well. I think the best thing for the Rangers is having a normal Joc Pederson season next year.

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You don't evaluate a player on his career best season. You evaluate him on the norm, or average.

For his career, Pederson averages .237 with 26 HR and 68 RBI, based on 162 games. That's not exceptional. It' pretty mediocre. He offers absolutely nothing defensively, and he's only effective against RHP. If this team is serious about reconstructing this roster, he needs to go.

And even if you keep him, running him through waivers is a very typical thing clubs do, and players understand that. If he's so fragile that he needs the Rangers to "reassure" him, then that's one more reason why he needs to go.

rbtexan said:

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shack009 said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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They are saying put him out there where someone else can claim him which would involve taking his contract too. If no one does, you pull him back

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But if you do that you show a lack of confidence in him and/or you may harm the club's relationship with him.

If I'm the club I'm reassuring him he's part of the team's plan for next year, and beyond that if he performs well. I think the best thing for the Rangers is having a normal Joc Pederson season next year.

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You don't evaluate a player on his career best season. You evaluate him on the norm, or average.

For his career, Pederson averages .237 with 26 HR and 68 RBI, based on 162 games. That's not exceptional. It' pretty mediocre. He offers absolutely nothing defensively, and he's only effective against RHP. If this team is serious about reconstructing this roster, he needs to go.

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But you're also leaving out that his career OBP is .339 and his OPS is .799. Also his career best season was just last year. Not like we're going deep in to the past to find it.

Like I said in my first post, a career average season from Joc next year and he's likely your second best hitter by OPS.

Somebody has to be the DH against RHP next year. Who in the system should do it? Who will be available in FA cheaper than Joc who could do it?