George Springer, 8 years later when he didn’t know what pitch was coming: https://t.co/lw4N3L80em pic.twitter.com/w0K4W3QWfU

— 🏆🏆BACK TO BACK WORLD SERIES CHOM-pian Critic🏆🏆 (@LAtahncritic) November 2, 2025

PatAg said:

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George Springer, 8 years later when he didn’t know what pitch was coming: https://t.co/lw4N3L80em pic.twitter.com/w0K4W3QWfU

— 🏆🏆BACK TO BACK WORLD SERIES CHOM-pian Critic🏆🏆 (@LAtahncritic) November 2, 2025

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Yu is still tipping those pitches.

Even the anti-Dodgers pro-Jays folks in the Bay Area were calling him a cheater last night.

mavsfan4ever said:

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How is the jays manager not getting killed for all of the defensive subs in the 18 inning game. They literally had no hitters in the last 9 innings. That seems very dumb when you are against a team like the dodgers with so much fire power (defensive subs don't matter on home runs). That lost them the game in my opinion.

And then he did the same thing last night, to a lesser degree. Made a couple of subs, including taking bichette out for a pinch runner on first with one out when snell was pitching. I thought that was bad considering bichette was by far the best hitter of the game up to that point and the chances of scoring were not extremely high either way.

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I mentioned this the night of the game. He emptied his bench early replacing Bichette with IKF. Great defense from IKF the last 10 innings, but he didn't get on base. Putting in Straw as a defensive replacement last night was questionable, too. Straw made on play, at the warning track, in the field. Again, didn't get on base, when you need base runners.

It was obvious he has a formula and sticks with it. That's not always a good thing.

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ByrdEWhiteTrash said:

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Force play at home. Catcher will be extending like a first baseman.

Runner stays up runs through the plate and Blue Jays win.

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bigger issue is he took a horrible lead off third..

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This was my initial thought after he was a half step too late. I ended up seeing a view this morning that showed how conservative his lead was. With a force play at home, that was pretty head scratching both by the runner and third base coach.

Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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mavsfan4ever said:

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How is the jays manager not getting killed for all of the defensive subs in the 18 inning game. They literally had no hitters in the last 9 innings. That seems very dumb when you are against a team like the dodgers with so much fire power (defensive subs don't matter on home runs). That lost them the game in my opinion.

And then he did the same thing last night, to a lesser degree. Made a couple of subs, including taking bichette out for a pinch runner on first with one out when snell was pitching. I thought that was bad considering bichette was by far the best hitter of the game up to that point and the chances of scoring were not extremely high either way.

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I mentioned this the night of the game. He emptied his bench early replacing Bichette with IKF. Great defense from IKF the last 10 innings, but he didn't get on base. Putting in Straw as a defensive replacement last night was questionable, too. Straw made on play, at the warning track, in the field. Again, didn't get on base, when you need base runners.

It was obvious he has a formula and sticks with it. That's not always a good thing.

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I felt like the running and defensive replacements really hurt them in the 18 inning game but to be fair, in game 7, IKF was like 1/8" from scoring what would have been the game winning run where Bichette would have been out by 10'.....that's about as close to being a genious move as you can have.

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Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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mavsfan4ever said:

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How is the jays manager not getting killed for all of the defensive subs in the 18 inning game. They literally had no hitters in the last 9 innings. That seems very dumb when you are against a team like the dodgers with so much fire power (defensive subs don't matter on home runs). That lost them the game in my opinion.

And then he did the same thing last night, to a lesser degree. Made a couple of subs, including taking bichette out for a pinch runner on first with one out when snell was pitching. I thought that was bad considering bichette was by far the best hitter of the game up to that point and the chances of scoring were not extremely high either way.

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I mentioned this the night of the game. He emptied his bench early replacing Bichette with IKF. Great defense from IKF the last 10 innings, but he didn't get on base. Putting in Straw as a defensive replacement last night was questionable, too. Straw made on play, at the warning track, in the field. Again, didn't get on base, when you need base runners.

It was obvious he has a formula and sticks with it. That's not always a good thing.

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I felt like the running and defensive replacements really hurt them in the 18 inning game but to be fair, in game 7, IKF was like 1/8" from scoring what would have been the game winning run where Bichette would have been out by 10'.....that's about as close to being a genious move as you can have.

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Later on, they would have had bichette up (who was mashing) with no outs and a runner on second. But instead they had IKF up. He put down a good bunt but they would not have had to bunt if bichette was up.

I really think the jays' manager cost them the game. And especially the 18 inning game.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Hate giving free outs regardless. Ask any pitcher, they'll gladly take your sacrifice. Runner on 2nd with 0 outs has a 60-65% chance of scoring. 3rd with 1 out has 30-35%. Swing away, especially if you have a lineup like the Jays and not full of contact small ballers. Outs are so valuable.

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This is not true.

The runs matrix is a 63% chance of at least one run (really 37% chance of nothing) with no outs and a man on 2B.

It's a 67% chance of at least one run (again really 33% chance of nothing) with 1 out and a man on 3B.

2B needs a hit. You trade the hit for extra things like a sac fly, a deeper ground ball that can only be an out at 1B, a hit past a drawn in IF that is normally an out, a WP or PB, a balk or anything even more bizarre.

And you can sac bunt. Squeeze or safety.

They had to have 1 run. Sure 2 wins the series but you have to plate one or it's done. Maximize the chances of scoring 1 run.

If you are playing for a big inning the out is dumb. I agree. But if you are playing for just 1 run it's actually a wash or a slight advantage.

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This is why we can't have nice things. People with a cursory mathematical basis will proclaim the third eye. Always. Trying to formulate a numbered model for the entire world that they wish to live. Buck it.

I'm a math/analytics guy. But the chance at scoring two runs to win the series is >>>>> than a. 4% greater chance of tying the game.

I’m devastated about yesterday’s loss, like absolutely crushed but this made me laugh so hard 🤣 pic.twitter.com/o54FUHHhEf

— BaseballHistoryNut (@nut_history) November 2, 2025

AgFrogfan said:

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Anybody got any good "getting thrown out of a bar" stories?

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Never thought I'd see left lane cruiser on a Texags baseball thread, one of my favorite artists

Fuzzy Dunlop said:

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mavsfan4ever said:

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How is the jays manager not getting killed for all of the defensive subs in the 18 inning game. They literally had no hitters in the last 9 innings. That seems very dumb when you are against a team like the dodgers with so much fire power (defensive subs don't matter on home runs). That lost them the game in my opinion.

And then he did the same thing last night, to a lesser degree. Made a couple of subs, including taking bichette out for a pinch runner on first with one out when snell was pitching. I thought that was bad considering bichette was by far the best hitter of the game up to that point and the chances of scoring were not extremely high either way.

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I mentioned this the night of the game. He emptied his bench early replacing Bichette with IKF. Great defense from IKF the last 10 innings, but he didn't get on base. Putting in Straw as a defensive replacement last night was questionable, too. Straw made on play, at the warning track, in the field. Again, didn't get on base, when you need base runners.

It was obvious he has a formula and sticks with it. That's not always a good thing.

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The wild card here is that none of us know what Bichette was telling him about his health. If he felt like he could only really hit and couldn't do a 1st to home sprint in a big moment then the manager has to pull him there. Bichette is a free agent immediately after the series and might also have been hedging on not seriously hurting himself.

As mentioned IKF really should have scored there to win the game. Bad lead and bad decision not to sprint through home at full tilt with it being a force play.

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AgFrogfan said:

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Anybody got any good "getting thrown out of a bar" stories?

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Never thought I'd see left lane cruiser on a Texags baseball thread, one of my favorite artists

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I too, support my local denny's