Question for Women's Basketball Forum Posters

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MUAG
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Several years ago Blair said that fan forum's content affected women's basketball recruiting. Said that players and their parents often read fan forums to see how fans feel about coaches and teams, Question is, do you think the very negative comments on this thread have hindered Taylor's recruiting?
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No. Have you ventured over to the Tennessee, South Carolina, LSU, and tu forums? It's much worse and they are far better than we are currently.
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if this was the case, then why is the AD and owners of this site pretty much in bed together
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You got us, we're the reason we turn it over 20 times a game and finished dead last in the conference.

It's year 4, only one recruit from high school has stayed with her, every single other one has entered the portal and left. That's 15 portal departures in 3 years. Transfers can see the instability, they can see Joni standing with her arms crossed as other teams go on 20-0 runs while we don't call a timeout. They see us out of shape every game. They see us make no adjustments as teams pick us apart. They see no concept of X's and O's. They see everyone leaving. They see the empty crowd. They see a coach on the hot seat. They see that they can't see our games because our only chance of playing in national tv is when we play a good team. They see our players body language when we turn it over or get 3's made in our faces over and over. They see a bench with more people in dresses and ties than in a basketball uniform. They see a coach and a person who chose not to be by the teams best player on draft night because she wanted to go with someone she coached for a year over 3 years ago because that was her chance to be on national television. Recruits see that. Parents see that. Families see that.

Nothing to you OP because you offer great insight and posts throughout the season. But no we do not affect recruiting. This is a message board with a handful of posters which may reach 5 posters during a game. Whereas other fanbases have hundreds and hundreds of dedicated posters who are ready to burn the arena down after a loss. We have no impact on the program I've met athletes on campus who have no idea that a forum like this exists.

Yeah it's obvious most of us are upset with how things go. Look around, no one else cares about Aggie Women's basketball like we do. We all want to win. It's not fun seeing us be the laughing stock of the country. It's not fun being blown out every game, and it's most certainly not fun when we're trying our hardest to find 10 games on a schedule we can win. We just want to see us succeed.
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aggiedrjdub said:

No. Have you ventured over to the Tennessee, South Carolina, LSU, and tu forums? It's much worse and they are far better than we are currently.
Blair is completely wrong? Hmm.,,
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Only asked because Blair said it and wanted to know how folks thought. Back to lurking.
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greg.w.h said:

aggiedrjdub said:

No. Have you ventured over to the Tennessee, South Carolina, LSU, and tu forums? It's much worse and they are far better than we are currently.
Blair is completely wrong? Hmm.,,
He may not be completely wrong but it's not going to change and it happens at every single school so stop with the excuses and produce. If you can't overcome negative press and negative comments in an WBB forum, you're not a great coach.
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Interesting that Tenn, SC, LSU. and tu mentioned as doing much better than Ags which is certainly true. We all know there is much more fan support at those places and probably way more NIL money availabe

Mentioned that Tenn, SC, LSU and tu doing much better than Ags which is certainly true, We do know that they all have more fan support than us and rumor is that have way more NIL money available than us, I have asked for someone to compare amount of NIL money here to other places, but have seen no figures .Coaches cannot do it all on their own. I wonder if any coach can win big here without changes in fan support and more importantly NIL money, We need better mercenaries to play their mercenaries,



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Unfortunately, success and fan support go hand and hand. We had years of success with GB and still never had the support that Tenn and South Carolina had/have. They have had YEARS and YEARS of being at the top, so that certainly helps.

I agree with you, though. I wish someone would post figures of what figures we are working with in terms of NIL dollars. I want to see how it compares to our other successful non-revenue sports. Is the men's budget larger? If so, how and why?
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MUAG said:

Only asked because Blair said it and wanted to know how folks thought. Back to lurking.
Here is Gary first 4 years

9-19
16-15
23-9
25-7 (tied for conf. title)

That's progress over time. The fans can see a change for the better. support increases.

I give that credit to Gary, not the fans.
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aggiedrjdub said:

Unfortunately, success and fan support go hand and hand. We had years of success with GB and still never had the support that Tenn and South Carolina had/have. They have had YEARS and YEARS of being at the top, so that certainly helps.

I agree with you, though. I wish someone would post figures of what figures we are working with in terms of NIL dollars. I want to see how it compares to our other successful non-revenue sports. Is the men's budget larger? If so, how and why?
If we compare to S. Carolina we'll never match up.

But hey lets look at TCU, look at their turnaround. Is that because they are spending more than us or do they have a better coach.

I doubt any mens program is getting more money except baseball.

But if you're a NIL donor, why would you give a dime to Joni
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I have the same questions and I agree with you. I just keep hearing she hasn't been given enough NIL money, and I don't have any numbers to know if that's true or untrue.

Gary Blair was special for sure. He turned around a program that was literally on life support, and with NO NIL money, turned us into conference champions in year 4.
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aggiedrjdub said:

I have the same questions and I agree with you. I just keep hearing she hasn't been given enough NIL money, and I don't have any numbers to know if that's true or untrue.

Gary Blair was special for sure. He turned around a program that was literally on life support, and with NO NIL money, turned us into conference champions in year 4.
I'm sure she'd like UCONN or USC NIL budget. But we're not giving that.

We probable wouldn't have gave that much if Gary was still here.

It brings up a good question. Who's job is it to solicit NIL. Trev or the coaches?

So is Trev holding the money back or is Joni not beating the donor bushes

All i know if i was BMA, i'd laugh if they wanted me to give dime to soccer or WBB right now. I'd say for what, to piss money down the drain.
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This is a dumb post. We want Taylor out. I'd gladly talk more **** if it accelerates this process. She is one of the worst hires in our women's sports history
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BQ_90 said:

aggiedrjdub said:

Unfortunately, success and fan support go hand and hand. We had years of success with GB and still never had the support that Tenn and South Carolina had/have. They have had YEARS and YEARS of being at the top, so that certainly helps.

I agree with you, though. I wish someone would post figures of what figures we are working with in terms of NIL dollars. I want to see how it compares to our other successful non-revenue sports. Is the men's budget larger? If so, how and why?
If we compare to S. Carolina we'll never match up.

But hey lets look at TCU, look at their turnaround. Is that because they are spending more than us or do they have a better coach.

I doubt any mens program is getting more money except baseball.

But if you're a NIL donor, why would you give a dime to Joni
Hailey Van Lith's NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) valuation at TCU was estimated to be $758,000. While the exact payouts are private, this valuation suggests she was earning high six figures annually from her NIL deals
Rudybryan
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Hear what Coach Blair is saying about Joni Taylor

https://texags.com/s/67114/am-legend-gary-blair-provides-an-update-on-retired-life-in-aggieland/58
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RudyBryan - why doesn't Taylor fill a full squad?
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Well she's had 16 girls leaver her program and enter the portal. Either no one wants to play for her or she's lazy and not worried about filling up her roster. She also said she's comfortable with only 11 girls, but I'm sure that was just an excuse for not filling up a roster. We're at 9 right now.
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taylorswift13_ said:

Well she's had 16 girls leaver her program and enter the portal. Either no one wants to play for her or she's lazy and not worried about filling up her roster. She also said she's comfortable with only 11 girls, but I'm sure that was just an excuse for not filling up a roster. We're at 9 right now.
She's ok with 11 because then when she has a few injuries she can cry "we only 7 scholarship players" as her excuse for sucking.
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A&M has more women on campus than most colleges have total students. If she can't find 3 or 4 Walk-On's to fill out the roster by October 15th, then she is not really trying. And how many bench assistants and staff do we actually need if we can't field a normal D-1 roster?
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That is a good point. They hired a new coach for recruiting. It may be too late for the new season 2025-26. Also Texas Ags doesn't post news about recruits for women's basketball or other women's sports.
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I'm interested to see what happens with coach Earley and baseball. If they replace him after one year that tells you everything you need to know about how the AD views women's sports.
Gig'em Aggies! c/o '98 W H O O P!
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How much NIL money has Joni received each year for players?
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aggiedrjdub said:

I'm interested to see what happens with coach Earley and baseball. If they replace him after one year that tells you everything you need to know about how the AD views women's sports.
They're enlisting her husband to bring more attention to the program. I don't think that's a zero-cost item and he might be recruiting focused…
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I am genuinely curious how the coaching changes will gel. I am definitely on board and like that they ripped and replaced.
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Have definitely seen more of investment in the WBB program; budget has increased. I just mean that if you fire a coach after 1 year (Earley / baseball), you're giving the impression that baseball is more important (which we all know that it is, but still lol). Joni was just interviewed and stated that when they took this job, they knew it would be a long rebuilding process based on what they were left with and the changing landscape of NIL, the transfer portal, etc.
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The powers that be - have to fix the portal.......as of now every players any sport will go to the portal .......that is the college version of a kid who didn't get their way screaming and crying at their parents until they get what they want....one thing for sure most kids will make more staying at college under NIL and graduating....those who go to the draft get drafted then cut and what do they have..........they are dreamers......think about all of our athletes that got drafted etc.........how many are in the pros today.......hell Manziel couldn't even make it.....time for reality check........if a team would get together and stay together.....they could win together......instead of the constant rebuilds......personally I gave up.....turned in my season tickets and maybe watch on TV if its free.....then when they play luke crap I can turn on cartoons....
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definitely feels chaotic. there is stability in programs that have found success. this is more like free agency and i feel like some of these athletes are searching for a program that values them and what they can contribute. on one hand, i feel like they have to go do what's best for them. on the other, i'm so confused as to why we cannot find stability at our university. props to whatever has been going on behind the scenes because something is obviously changing. if we could just show some consistency, i'm certain we have the funds to compete. that's what i'm looking for this season. improvement, consistency, athletes that show up and work hard and play as a team, and a coach that actively coaches on the sidelines.
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if we could just show some consistency, i'm certain we have the funds to compete. that's what i'm looking for this season. improvement, consistency, athletes that show up and work hard and play as a team, and a coach that actively coaches on the sidelines.

My contact told me today the women's basketball had $76,000 to spend on players this last season. I don't think that is enough money to compete. I doubt really good players will even look our way if they can make some real money elsewhere. And yes, I think nowadays it does come down to the money.
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Well the built in excuse for failure is always that they didn't get support. There would be more support if there was more effort from the coach and the players. I'm giving up season tix because I can't stand the horrible play and the lack of effort. I'm not sure what Joni could say at this point to generate any excitement and I don't think she really cares.
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Joni needs public relations support. I think she is better than her public face but she might be more of an introvert than extravert. Her wardrobe emphasis now seems more like armor than style unfortunately.

I like her and very much want her to succeed. But this isn't the success I imagined.
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oklaunion said:

if we could just show some consistency, i'm certain we have the funds to compete. that's what i'm looking for this season. improvement, consistency, athletes that show up and work hard and play as a team, and a coach that actively coaches on the sidelines.

My contact told me today the women's basketball had $76,000 to spend on players this last season. I don't think that is enough money to compete. I doubt really good players will even look our way if they can make some real money elsewhere. And yes, I think nowadays it does come down to the money.
we are not even parking our car within 10 miles of top teams

Yes, in 2022-23, the University of South Carolina Women's Basketball team had a unique name, image, and likeness (NIL) deal where each player had the opportunity to earn an average of $25,000 or more. This was made possible through a partnership between the Garnet Trust, South Carolina's NIL collective, and sports marketing firm NOCAP Sports

Here's an article on the change this year

The change comes as men's basketball teams have been a part of revenue-sharing plans for years. But with a surge in popularity surrounding women's basketball, the NCAA's Board of Governors voted unanimously for the proposal in August. Wednesday's vote solidified the details.

Starting in the 2025 season, a combined $15 million will be awarded to the teams, which makes up 26% of the women's basketball media revenue deal. It will increase to $20 million for the 2026-27 fiscal year and reach $25 million starting with the 2027-28 fiscal year. The units earned will be paid out to the schools starting in 2026 on a rolling three-year basis.

The longer a school stays in the tournament, the more units the school's conference receives. With a Final Four appearance, a team could bring its conference $1.26 million over the next three years. The revenue distribution plan for the women's tournament is similar to the men's.


complete article https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ncaa-womens-basketball-tournament-pay/
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If you want top talent you cannot run a full 15 roster.....they won't get enough playing time and therefore you won't have the championships you wish for.... you have players making 7 figures now there bottom line is about 35-37 you do the math
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So does this dynamic create an excuse for the disintegration of our women's basketball program ? What does this say about hopes for a turnaround under the current staff ? Is this going to be yet another opportunity to blame the fans for not filling the NIL coffers of WBB?

Gary may have stayed too long but he left a legacy of competitiveness and effort that is now gone .
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Here are Geno's exact quote on the subject

"If it were just about talent, recruiting would be easy.
Talent gets me in the gym to see them,but it's all the other things.
For me, are they unselfish?
Are they a great teammate?
Do they understand that it's not about them?"
Talent gets you noticed-character gets you recruited"
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