Official ARAC Deactivation

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Pirate04
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It hasn't been addressed here yet but the Army Reserve Aviation Command is being deactivated in its entirety (all but two Fixed Wing BNs). So many of us are losing the only Army home we've ever known. Deactivation will be official September 2026 but flight hours will cease in about a month.

Personally, I've applied for fixed wing and to two Guard states so far. I'd like to do all I can to continue my military aviation career but right now everything is so unknown. We aren't the only aviation asset affected, Active Duty compo will also see a lot of restructuring and reduction in force.
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In Georgia the Gaurd will be taking tracked PCs if you interested in coming that far.
The C26 is full up on pilots. There are -47s, -60L/M/V and a very small Lakota unit.

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That's great information, thank you! I am planning to relocate to the state that I get picked up for. As much as I would love to fly fixed wing in the Army, I know it's incredibly competitive and I want to stay realistic about my chances. I'm a tracked PC in both H-60 L/M but I've only ever done MEDEVAC. I will absolutely reach out.
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Where are all the assets going? Is this a budget thing, something Hegseth dreamed up to curry favor with his boss, some general get a bug up his ass? How can anyone think this is a good idea?
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OldArmy - This is a Hegseth driven thing, and they're apparently trying to adapt lessons from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Ukraine to emphasize lighter, cheaper-to-maintain forces, drones/robotics, and rapid deployment. Ukraine supposedly taught us that helicopters aren't survivable near the front lines. I'm skeptical of these ideas because the lessons that we've supposedly learned from those recent conflicts may not apply to "near-peer" fights (e.g. "high intensity conflict" as it was called in my day). Not to impune today's high-ranking grunts who came back with lessons from the Middle East, but those wars have about as much bearing on the future as Vietnam in the '60s did on Central Europe in the '80s.
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JA83 said:

OldArmy - This is a Hegseth driven thing, and they're apparently trying to adapt lessons from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Ukraine to emphasize lighter, cheaper-to-maintain forces, drones/robotics, and rapid deployment. Ukraine supposedly taught us that helicopters aren't survivable near the front lines. I'm skeptical of these ideas because the lessons that we've supposedly learned from those recent conflicts may not apply to "near-peer" fights (e.g. "high intensity conflict" as it was called in my day). Not to impune today's high-ranking grunts who came back with lessons from the Middle East, but those wars have about as much bearing on the future as Vietnam in the '60s did on Central Europe in the '80s.

So any thoughts on the Army re-thinking the Vtol airframe currently under contract at Bell? Bell just broke ground on a $60mm facility.
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I don't have any information on the Bell VTOL deal, but since the Army cancelled its contract for the M-10 light tank my guess is anything could be on the chopping block across all the Services.
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JA83 said:

OldArmy - This is a Hegseth driven thing, and they're apparently trying to adapt lessons from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Ukraine to emphasize lighter, cheaper-to-maintain forces, drones/robotics, and rapid deployment. Ukraine supposedly taught us that helicopters aren't survivable near the front lines. I'm skeptical of these ideas because the lessons that we've supposedly learned from those recent conflicts may not apply to "near-peer" fights (e.g. "high intensity conflict" as it was called in my day). Not to impune today's high-ranking grunts who came back with lessons from the Middle East, but those wars have about as much bearing on the future as Vietnam in the '60s did on Central Europe in the '80s.


The idea is way older than Pete Hegseth. ARAC was scheduled to be closed in 2013-14 back when LTG Kevin Mangum was ordered to restructure Army aviation to reduce redundant headquarters functions. It survived back then because Rep. Robert C Scott (congressman from Eustis area) made a deal to keep it alive in order to keep the 400-ish jobs in the Eustis-Newport News area.

The Army has been trying to get rid of it for 10 years but the politicians made them keep it
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JA83 said:

OldArmy - This is a Hegseth driven thing, and they're apparently trying to adapt lessons from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Ukraine to emphasize lighter, cheaper-to-maintain forces, drones/robotics, and rapid deployment. Ukraine supposedly taught us that helicopters aren't survivable near the front lines. I'm skeptical of these ideas because the lessons that we've supposedly learned from those recent conflicts may not apply to "near-peer" fights (e.g. "high intensity conflict" as it was called in my day). Not to impune today's high-ranking grunts who came back with lessons from the Middle East, but those wars have about as much bearing on the future as Vietnam in the '60s did on Central Europe in the '80s.

It has nothing to do with the ME conflicts but the fact that Near Peers are finally adopting the redneck innovation of Ukraine trying to stay alive. The Russia/Ukraine conflict has completely broken open the new technological arms race of drones. We have professionally designed and factory manufactured interceptor drones being developed as we speak by many nations now (including us) which will be a nightmare for rotary craft trying to get into effective range to do their jobs. And these won't always be nice large SAM batteries we can preplan and SEAD into oblivion but mobile 2 man teams hunkering down in rubble and bunkers.

For once in living history, I actually believe some of our brass are looking forward or at least attempting to. And not trying to fight the last war with the current one. Pretty much the exact opposite of your take.

Mix that with our extreme adversity to taking losses in airframes and it continues to diminish the roles helos will take in the future IMHO. The days of medivacs landing under fire are loooong gone. And our attack craft have been hideously outranged for years and years now.

Plus, the ultimate enemy for any weapons program. Budget money. Rotary assets are expensive, drones are not. Our next war with a determined near peer will smash every budgetary constraint within days I imagine.

I say all this as an extreme rotor lover. Love those big beautiful birds but this is the reality and challenges we face as we move forward.
OldArmyCT
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If you want that 20 years in the Reserves you need to break out that alternate speciality. My 20 active included 4 years in a tank battalion and 4 in a logistics command.
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OldArmyCT said:

JA83 said:

OldArmy - This is a Hegseth driven thing, and they're apparently trying to adapt lessons from Afghanistan, Iraq, and Ukraine to emphasize lighter, cheaper-to-maintain forces, drones/robotics, and rapid deployment. Ukraine supposedly taught us that helicopters aren't survivable near the front lines. I'm skeptical of these ideas because the lessons that we've supposedly learned from those recent conflicts may not apply to "near-peer" fights (e.g. "high intensity conflict" as it was called in my day). Not to impune today's high-ranking grunts who came back with lessons from the Middle East, but those wars have about as much bearing on the future as Vietnam in the '60s did on Central Europe in the '80s.

So any thoughts on the Army re-thinking the Vtol airframe currently under contract at Bell? Bell just broke ground on a $60mm facility.

All communication from the Army is that they want the MV-75 and want it sooner than the FLRAA program originally stated. No reason to think it will be cut at this point.
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The assault company at Conroe will be flying their last formation this Saturday in the greater Houston area. Don't be alarmed if you see a bunch of Blackhawks in the sky!

Here in Florida, we'll be doing our last formation on Monday over Tampa Bay.
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Pirate04 said:

The assault company at Conroe will be flying their last formation this Saturday in the greater Houston area. Don't be alarmed if you see a bunch of Blackhawks in the sky!

Here in Florida, we'll be doing our last formation on Monday over Tampa Bay.


I think I went to IPC with a couple of your IPs.
Ceasars Mustelier and Chris Catello.
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