No! I'm not the one that is picking and choosing parts of a discussion to help support my rhetoric. If you want to make a statement, lay it all out on the table so others can make their own decision. That's what Charlie did and unfortunately likely why he died. Are you guys scared you may discover something that contradicts what you've been told?

Putting aside the fact that every single of those quotes is completely detached from its context, through which you could make almost any body look bad, it doesn't really matter if he was a "good" person or not. Good is relative. Taking a human life is not. Murdering people for the simple act of speaking is appalling. When you say "He didn't deserve to be murdered, BUT he was a bad person…" you are tacitly approving of his killing by making excuses for his killer and rationalizing his behavior.

I knew there would be a bunch of weirdos celebrating it, but I was shocked by the number of people number people either openly cheering on this brazen murder, or making excuses for this violent act. Practically every progressive woman I've known since high school was lauding the killing in their story.

I think it is really indicative of a new era of American political violence. I'm certain more will follow in retaliation for this murder. The only off ramp is if people are willing to dial back their rhetoric and look at their political opponents as human beings, but people on the left were pouring a can of gasoline on the proverbial flames while the man's body was still warm. Any one right of center is dehumanized for being "hateful", a "fascist", or a "Nazi". All of whom they consider legitimate targets for violence. They are sowing the winds, and I will feel no sympathy for them when they reap the whirlwind.

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I'm no fan of the radical left but I hope that they cry out as loud as anyone else. These are completely against a civil society and the putrid act done by a coward was very un-American. ALL should unite for at least a few days. This should not be political. We should all stand united.

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I don't want anyone dying via gun violence. Maybe Kirk's murder will motivate conservatives to work with liberals towards ending gun violence…

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Why would conservatives work with progressives to fix something that isn't the root cause of the issue? And what's your genius solution to this extremely complex issue? "Common sense gun laws" that aren't actually common sense and almost universally tread on some major component of having a Second Amendment? And why are you so focused on the tool, and not the person and ideology responsible for the killing? A gun is a tool that can be used for good just as it can bad. Guns would never kill anyone if violent people didn't wield them.

More to the point though, I have a serious fundamental issue with the notion that a right as equally integral to American life as free speech ought to be abrogated for everyone, all because a tiny minority of psychopaths misuse them. You are punishing law-abiding citizens for the acts of criminals. Criminals who would just illegally obtain a firearm anyway, or another weapon in lieu of that. You end up just disarming people who have done nothing wrong, while leaving the violent, criminal actors free to do what they were going to do anyway.

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Putting aside the fact that every single of those quotes is completely detached from its context, through which you could make almost any body look bad, I doesn't really matter if he was a "good" person or not. Good is relative. Taking a human life is not. Murdering people for the simple act of speaking is appalling. When you say "He didn't deserve to be murdered, BUT he was a bad person…" you are tacitly approving of his killing by making excuses for his killer and rationalizing his behavior.

I knew there would be a bunch of weirdos celebrating it, but I was shocked by the number of people number people either openly cheering on this brazen murder, or making excuses for this violent act. Practically every progressive woman I've known since high school was lauding the killing in their story.

I think it is really indicative of a new era of American political violence. I'm certain more will follow in retaliation for this murder. The only off ramp is if people are willing to dial back their rhetoric and look at their political opponents as human beings, but people on the left were pouring a can of gasoline on the proverbial flames while the man's body was still warm. Any one right of center is dehumanized for being "hateful", a "fascist", or a "Nazi". All of whom they consider legitimate targets for violence. They are sowing the winds, and I will feel no sympathy for them when they reap the whirlwind.

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I'm no fan of the radical left but I hope that they cry out as loud as anyone else. These are completely against a civil society and the putrid act done by a coward was very un-American. ALL should unite for at least a few days. This should not be political. We should all stand united.

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I don't want anyone dying via gun violence. Maybe Kirk's murder will motivate conservatives to work with liberals towards ending gun violence…

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Why would conservatives work with progressives to fix something that isn't the root cause of the issue? And what's your genius solution to this extremely complex issue? "Common sense gun laws" that aren't actually common sense and almost universally tread on some major component of having a Second Amendment? And why are you so focused on the tool, and not the person and ideology responsible for the killing? A gun is a tool that can be used for good just as it can bad. Guns would never kill anyone if violent people didn't wield them.

More to the point though, I have a serious fundamental issue with the notion that a right as equally integral to American life as free speech is should be abrogated for everyone, all because a tiny minority of psychopaths misuse them. You are punishing law-abiding citizens for the acts of criminals. Criminals who would just illegally obtain a firearm anyway, or another weapon in lieu of that. You end up just disarming people who have done nothing wrong, while leaving the violent, criminal actors free to do what they were going to do anyway.

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I've not rationalized or approved of it at all. To claim otherwise is an absolute falsehood. Does being murder automatically absolve a person of past sins?

You talk about the dehumanizing of conservatives by liberals. Have you actually read the things said about liberals on the politics board?

What about Kirk's professor watch list? The list that has directly resulted in threats of violence or death against professors named on the list. Surely you take issue with that right?

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Now do Ilhan Omar.

The media is just as much to blame as politicians. They have held this double standard and generalized non democrats for a while. It has gotten worse. Never an outcry over fake racism, never an outcry over gun violence in Chicago or any big city, consistently calling non democrats "right wing extremists." Add in saintism for people like George Floyd and you have a ln America that is culturally led by media and politicians who flat out lie.

Our media has learned from Soviet era propagandists and the people who soak it up are equally guilty of "misinformation."

ETA - I'm also a Nazi, Fascist, and am "wrong" for holding people accountable for their actions.

Your simple list of the quotes without context is irresponsible. But you likely don't consider yourself a conservative so you can get away with it. The only people who have to justify their beliefs are the non left leaning.

It's sad to think about rational voters being neutralized by each bitter cat lady that tacitly cheer violence.

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But I also won't pretend that Charlie Kirk was a decent and kind person. He's made his career by saying awful and inflammatory things about others he disagrees with.

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Please post some examples of this behavior.

So far as I know Charlie Kirk was always diplomatic and respectful in his interactions with those he disagreed with. This guy was willing to have dialogue with those he disagreed with, which I always thought is supposed to be the American way. And he was murdered for it.

Edit to say I don't know how the quote stuff works obviously, the above was said by nai06.

Second edit to say and he was willing to engage in respectful debate in a public forum, not hidden behind a keyboard and a username.

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Here are some quotes from Charlie Kirk. I don't think they sound like the words of a kind and decent person but you might disagree.

• Black women do not have the processing power to be taken seriously.
• We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.
• MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.
• If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, "Boy I hope he's qualified".
• We need armed militias to prevent the diminishing and decreasing of white demographics.
• Women should not work but instead serve their husbands and raise children.
• If girls do want to attend college, their end goal should not be a degree, but rather a husband.
• Birth control has created very angry and bitter young ladies.
• birth control like really screws up female brains, by the way.
• (in reference to Transgender people)I blame the decline of American men. This never should've been -- someone should've just took care of it the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s.
• I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage.

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I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage.

full quote: I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion and I much prefer the word sympathy. Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. Compassion allows for understanding


So a bunch of MSM hacks and psychos have taken a snippet, morphed it into some "hate speech" rhetoric broadcast out the talking points all to simply win an argument. when in reality that was thoughtful/insightful way of discussing someone else's pain and being more understanding about it

And thousands of lunatics have been posting this the last 2 days spiking the football with it after the dude was gunned down in front of his family. Bizarre

Running around with those snippets created by someone else which are out context is as lazy, ignorant, and intellectually dishonest as it gets. You should stop embarrassing yourself and soiling that Ag tag

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Phantom18 said:

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Putting aside the fact that every single of those quotes is completely detached from its context, through which you could make almost any body look bad, I doesn't really matter if he was a "good" person or not. Good is relative. Taking a human life is not. Murdering people for the simple act of speaking is appalling. When you say "He didn't deserve to be murdered, BUT he was a bad person…" you are tacitly approving of his killing by making excuses for his killer and rationalizing his behavior.

I knew there would be a bunch of weirdos celebrating it, but I was shocked by the number of people number people either openly cheering on this brazen murder, or making excuses for this violent act. Practically every progressive woman I've known since high school was lauding the killing in their story.

I think it is really indicative of a new era of American political violence. I'm certain more will follow in retaliation for this murder. The only off ramp is if people are willing to dial back their rhetoric and look at their political opponents as human beings, but people on the left were pouring a can of gasoline on the proverbial flames while the man's body was still warm. Any one right of center is dehumanized for being "hateful", a "fascist", or a "Nazi". All of whom they consider legitimate targets for violence. They are sowing the winds, and I will feel no sympathy for them when they reap the whirlwind.

nai06 said:

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BartInLA said:

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I'm no fan of the radical left but I hope that they cry out as loud as anyone else. These are completely against a civil society and the putrid act done by a coward was very un-American. ALL should unite for at least a few days. This should not be political. We should all stand united.

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I don't want anyone dying via gun violence. Maybe Kirk's murder will motivate conservatives to work with liberals towards ending gun violence…

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Why would conservatives work with progressives to fix something that isn't the root cause of the issue? And what's your genius solution to this extremely complex issue? "Common sense gun laws" that aren't actually common sense and almost universally tread on some major component of having a Second Amendment? And why are you so focused on the tool, and not the person and ideology responsible for the killing? A gun is a tool that can be used for good just as it can bad. Guns would never kill anyone if violent people didn't wield them.

More to the point though, I have a serious fundamental issue with the notion that a right as equally integral to American life as free speech is should be abrogated for everyone, all because a tiny minority of psychopaths misuse them. You are punishing law-abiding citizens for the acts of criminals. Criminals who would just illegally obtain a firearm anyway, or another weapon in lieu of that. You end up just disarming people who have done nothing wrong, while leaving the violent, criminal actors free to do what they were going to do anyway.

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I've not rationalized or approved of it at all. To claim otherwise is an absolute falsehood. Does being murder automatically absolve a person of past sins?

You talk about the dehumanizing of conservatives by liberals. Have you actually read the things said about liberals on the politics board?

What about Kirk's professor watch list? The list that has directly resulted in threats of violence or death against professors named on the list. Surely you take issue with that right?

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what past sins? The man stood in front of crowds and had open dialogue with people who disagreed with him. Where is the sin in that? You make him out to be a big bad bully but that isn't true either.

Most of these idiots barely knew who he was the day before this happened. Some of them just knew he was on the other side, a Trump supporter, and popular; some had no idea at all. Therefore, he must be a nazi. Exhibit A on this thread of having to use the ridiculous snippet going around. They have no factual foundation of opinion. Seriously, it's incredibly ignorant and pathetic. But that's who leftist ideology plays with best - the stupid losers.

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Tyrannosaurus Ross said:

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But I also won't pretend that Charlie Kirk was a decent and kind person. He's made his career by saying awful and inflammatory things about others he disagrees with.

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Please post some examples of this behavior.

So far as I know Charlie Kirk was always diplomatic and respectful in his interactions with those he disagreed with. This guy was willing to have dialogue with those he disagreed with, which I always thought is supposed to be the American way. And he was murdered for it.

Edit to say I don't know how the quote stuff works obviously, the above was said by nai06.

Second edit to say and he was willing to engage in respectful debate in a public forum, not hidden behind a keyboard and a username.

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Here are some quotes from Charlie Kirk. I don't think they sound like the words of a kind and decent person but you might disagree.

• Black women do not have the processing power to be taken seriously.
• We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.
• MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.
• If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, "Boy I hope he's qualified".
• We need armed militias to prevent the diminishing and decreasing of white demographics.
• Women should not work but instead serve their husbands and raise children.
• If girls do want to attend college, their end goal should not be a degree, but rather a husband.
• Birth control has created very angry and bitter young ladies.
• birth control like really screws up female brains, by the way.
• (in reference to Transgender people)I blame the decline of American men. This never should've been -- someone should've just took care of it the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s.
• I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage.

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well, I called that. cherry picked quotes so that all of them could be taken out of context. Because I am bored I will expand on what I see listed above only because I happened to watch the video last night of it. If I can find it on youtube I will even post the link.

He was speaking to the point of DEI hires and how standards are lowered. Do you want the best pilot flying your plane, or one who only got hired because they were black and met a quota.

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bullard21k said:

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nai06 said:

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Tyrannosaurus Ross said:

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nai06 said:

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BartInLA said:

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But I also won't pretend that Charlie Kirk was a decent and kind person. He's made his career by saying awful and inflammatory things about others he disagrees with.

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Please post some examples of this behavior.

So far as I know Charlie Kirk was always diplomatic and respectful in his interactions with those he disagreed with. This guy was willing to have dialogue with those he disagreed with, which I always thought is supposed to be the American way. And he was murdered for it.

Edit to say I don't know how the quote stuff works obviously, the above was said by nai06.

Second edit to say and he was willing to engage in respectful debate in a public forum, not hidden behind a keyboard and a username.

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Here are some quotes from Charlie Kirk. I don't think they sound like the words of a kind and decent person but you might disagree.

• Black women do not have the processing power to be taken seriously.
• We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.
• MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.
• If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, "Boy I hope he's qualified".
• We need armed militias to prevent the diminishing and decreasing of white demographics.
• Women should not work but instead serve their husbands and raise children.
• If girls do want to attend college, their end goal should not be a degree, but rather a husband.
• Birth control has created very angry and bitter young ladies.
• birth control like really screws up female brains, by the way.
• (in reference to Transgender people)I blame the decline of American men. This never should've been -- someone should've just took care of it the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s.
• I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage.

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I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage.

full quote: I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion and I much prefer the word sympathy. Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. Compassion allows for understanding


So a bunch of MSM hacks and psychos have taken a snippet, morphed it into some "hate speech" rhetoric broadcast out the talking points all to simply win an argument. when in reality that was thoughtful/insightful way of discussing someone else's pain and being more understanding about it

And thousands of lunatics have been posting this the last 2 days spiking the football with it after the dude was gunned down in front of his family. Bizarre

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Empathy is literally the understanding of someone else's feelings. He can talk about compassion all day long but it isn't a characteristic he widely modeled. To those he agreed with, I am sure he was a wonderfully nice and compassionate individual. For those he disagreed with, he directed hate and ire towards them. That's not compassionate at all. Having seen the things he has said about people like myself, my friends, and my family, I am perfectly comfortable in thinking he was not a kind and decent person.

I don't think any of that means he deserved to be murdered. This doesn't help anyone and the person who did this is not some hero. Political violence begets more political violence. Nobody "wins" in that scenario.

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I'd love for you to show some type of video where he directed hate towards people, but you've already proved that you're unable to provide actual proof and substance to your points.

If him refusing to call a man a female, or recognize one as such or something stupid like that is what you're referring to as "hate" I don't know what to tell you. This is the entire problem with the left. If someone disagrees with what they think and believe it is automatically labeled as "hate".

He was a religious man who lived his life by believing the principals in the bible. It's a shame more people can't do that.

Speak for yourself. And educate yourself.

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And yet that was all nonsense because the standards for being a pilot were never lowered for a "DEI" hire which he uses as a substitute for non white person.

What did change was the minimum hours airlines were requiring in their job listings. Not only is that set by the individual airline, they make exceptions to it all the time. That was in response to the massive loss of pilots during the first year of covid. It was across the board and not just for "DEI" hires

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you're missing the point. I'm done with you.

He was a true believer in Facts over Feelings. He did not care about your feelings, he cared about facts.

Your feelings can be hurt, he did not care; facts are facts.

This is the major problem with the left, others are suppose to bend to their will because of the way they feel, regardless of proven facts.

They could not beat him with facts so they killed him. They are scared, pathetic, small minded idiots.

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And yet that was all nonsense because the standards for being a pilot were never lowered for a "DEI" hire which he uses as a substitute for non white person.

What did change was the minimum hours airlines were requiring in their job listings. Not only is that set by the individual airline, they make exceptions to it all the time. That was in response to the massive loss of pilots during the first year of covid. It was across the board and not just for "DEI" hires

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https://unitedaviate.com/updates/VICE-news-features-United-Aviate-Academy-diversity/

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Recently, VICE News aired a story highlighting the pilot shortage and what U.S. carriers are doing to address diversity in the industry and in the flight deck. Through the great work being done at United Aviate Academy, United is leading the charge on addressing the pilot shortage by aiming to train over 5,000 pilots in the next decade, with more than half of those pilots being women or people of color.

This piece prominently features the work we are doing through the United Aviate Academy and shares how industry partners, like the Organization of Black Aerospace Professionals (OBAP), are helping us to reach, educate and inspire diverse aviators.

Managing Director of Aviate & Pilot Strategy Michael Bonner speaks to how diversity, equity and inclusion at United are top priorities. He says, "We know it's a competitive advantage in this industry to look like the customers we serve."

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They openly admit they consider race when hiring instead of selecting the most qualified candidates based purely on merit. There's no way you're too simple to not understand the implications of that.

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They openly admit they consider race when hiring instead of selecting the most qualified candidates based purely on merit. There's no way you're too simple to not understand the implications of that.

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I think the poster has already proved they are unable to understand the implications.

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Show me where any of this is relevant to murdering someone. Get this garbage discussion out of here.

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Sorry if you don't like it, but I'm not going to let nai06 post garbage out-of-context quotes about the deceased and then continue to attempt to defend them with falsehoods. He can take that BS somewhere else.

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bullard21k said:

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nai06 said:

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Tyrannosaurus Ross said:

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nai06 said:

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BartInLA said:

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But I also won't pretend that Charlie Kirk was a decent and kind person. He's made his career by saying awful and inflammatory things about others he disagrees with.

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Please post some examples of this behavior.

So far as I know Charlie Kirk was always diplomatic and respectful in his interactions with those he disagreed with. This guy was willing to have dialogue with those he disagreed with, which I always thought is supposed to be the American way. And he was murdered for it.

Edit to say I don't know how the quote stuff works obviously, the above was said by nai06.

Second edit to say and he was willing to engage in respectful debate in a public forum, not hidden behind a keyboard and a username.

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Here are some quotes from Charlie Kirk. I don't think they sound like the words of a kind and decent person but you might disagree.

• Black women do not have the processing power to be taken seriously.
• We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s.
• MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.
• If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, "Boy I hope he's qualified".
• We need armed militias to prevent the diminishing and decreasing of white demographics.
• Women should not work but instead serve their husbands and raise children.
• If girls do want to attend college, their end goal should not be a degree, but rather a husband.
• Birth control has created very angry and bitter young ladies.
• birth control like really screws up female brains, by the way.
• (in reference to Transgender people)I blame the decline of American men. This never should've been -- someone should've just took care of it the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s.
• I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage.

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I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage.

full quote: I can't stand the word "Empathy". I think empathy is a made-up new age term and it does a lot of damage. I much prefer the word compassion and I much prefer the word sympathy. Empathy is where you try to feel someone's pain and sorrows as if they're your own. Compassion allows for understanding


So a bunch of MSM hacks and psychos have taken a snippet, morphed it into some "hate speech" rhetoric broadcast out the talking points all to simply win an argument. when in reality that was thoughtful/insightful way of discussing someone else's pain and being more understanding about it

And thousands of lunatics have been posting this the last 2 days spiking the football with it after the dude was gunned down in front of his family. Bizarre

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Empathy is literally the understanding of someone else's feelings. He can talk about compassion all day long but it isn't a characteristic he widely modeled. To those he agreed with, I am sure he was a wonderfully nice and compassionate individual. For those he disagreed with, he directed hate and ire towards them. That's not compassionate at all. Having seen the things he has said about people like myself, my friends, and my family, I am perfectly comfortable in thinking he was not a kind and decent person.

I don't think any of that means he deserved to be murdered. This doesn't help anyone and the person who did this is not some hero. Political violence begets more political violence. Nobody "wins" in that scenario.

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Moving the goalpost. It was asked how some of these quotes were taken out of context. I provided a clear example of how and you don't acknowledge the snippet was clip bait Rather engage on "yeah but he didn't live that out"

You know that wasn't the point and again are just trying to win an argument and be right

So shelve whether or not you personally believe he he didn't live out compassion correctly in your eyes. Would you at least acknowledge that snippet was clearly only half posted to make the comment viewed as a negative when it clearly wasn't originally said as that?

I don't want to debate this overall topic I just want us to both acknowledge it was clickbait and I'll move on

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Running around with those snippets created by someone else which are out context is as lazy, ignorant, and intellectually dishonest as it gets. You should stop embarrassing yourself and soiling that Ag tag

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Hey, you're not being very honest in that we ALL do this, no matter our political lean. It's not fair to point the finger when this is what we've been conditioned to do. Take a lap, man.

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You asked for people to point out how these quotes were taken out of context. I and a few others have shown exactly how and now it's "okay but everyone does it"

No one is arguing this doesn't happen all the time all over the internet I just want us to agree The empathy quote is pure propaganda and very harmful the way it was constructed when it was clearly framed in a way to put a negative connotation onto a guy that was just murdered

Again I'm not getting into a full argument over this overall topic I'm specifically referring to my post about the empath quote. Can we agree on that at least ?

Lol.

"Who are these people questioning me? Why won't everyone just agree with what I say?!"