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It would be kind of fascinating to get a Star Wars story similar to how The Last Duel was made.
I'd counter that and say the Star Wars prequels are really the tragic story of Kenobi. And I'd go even further and say George Lucas was really scrapping the bottom of the barrel and totally ripped off Julius Caesar by likening Obi Wan to Brutus. There are of course a few tweaks he made here and there, but once you see that Obi Wan IS Brutus, you can't really unsee it.
Even though he had to be prodded (by most accounts), Brutus does deliver a stab to Caesar. Just like Obi Wan delivers the killing blow to Anakin. The relationships between Brutus/Caesar and Obi Wan/Anakin are inverted, but you cannot deny it is the same thing: killing the figure they love for the good of the Republic (both Roman and Galactic).
Brutus, while a senator, was an idealist and not a schemer like Cassius. This parallels with Kenobi who was thrust into politics on behalf of the Jedi Council's mandate to do good and protect the Republic. Neither wanted the power but were put in positions to be manipulated by the real power seekers. Brutus was manipulated by Cassius and the other conspirators while Kenobi was manipulated by the Jedi Council. Sure the Council was on the protagonist side of the story, but he was made go off on stupid side quests and they tried to get Anakin to spy on Palpatine through Kenobi.
The super cringey exposition is a direct callback to Brutus. Brutus tried to quell the Roman crowd with his justification for taking part in stabbing Caesar, and Obi Wan whined as he sentenced Anakin to a fiery death on Mustafar. "Anakin, you were the chosen one." Eyeroll.
Brutus killed himself after the defeat at Phillipi, and Kenobi killed himself spiritually by going as a hermit in hiding on Tatooine.
For these reasons, I frame the prequels as the Obi Wan Kenobi story.
Even though he had to be prodded (by most accounts), Brutus does deliver a stab to Caesar. Just like Obi Wan delivers the killing blow to Anakin. The relationships between Brutus/Caesar and Obi Wan/Anakin are inverted, but you cannot deny it is the same thing: killing the figure they love for the good of the Republic (both Roman and Galactic).
Brutus, while a senator, was an idealist and not a schemer like Cassius. This parallels with Kenobi who was thrust into politics on behalf of the Jedi Council's mandate to do good and protect the Republic. Neither wanted the power but were put in positions to be manipulated by the real power seekers. Brutus was manipulated by Cassius and the other conspirators while Kenobi was manipulated by the Jedi Council. Sure the Council was on the protagonist side of the story, but he was made go off on stupid side quests and they tried to get Anakin to spy on Palpatine through Kenobi.
The super cringey exposition is a direct callback to Brutus. Brutus tried to quell the Roman crowd with his justification for taking part in stabbing Caesar, and Obi Wan whined as he sentenced Anakin to a fiery death on Mustafar. "Anakin, you were the chosen one." Eyeroll.
Brutus killed himself after the defeat at Phillipi, and Kenobi killed himself spiritually by going as a hermit in hiding on Tatooine.
For these reasons, I frame the prequels as the Obi Wan Kenobi story.
Not to rain on your parade, but Obi Wan = Brutus and Anakin = Caesar is one of the biggest stretches I've ever read on this forum.
It's clearly more of a Marius and Sulla relationship. It's so obvious, I don't even need to say who is who.
It's clearly more of a Marius and Sulla relationship. It's so obvious, I don't even need to say who is who.
Thanks and gig'em
Drunken Overseas Bettor said:
There's always a ton of Star Wars news out there, This thread just isn't fun anymore because there is so much negativity if everything doesn't live up to everyone's unique standards of perfection. You post news about any project and all those who didn't like the last installment feel the need to remind you they didn't like it repeatedly and thoroughly.
No, it's that most star wars projects lately don't even meet the bottom rung of any expectations i may have.
Mega Lops said:
I'd counter that and say the Star Wars prequels are really the tragic story of Kenobi. And I'd go even further and say George Lucas was really scrapping the bottom of the barrel and totally ripped off Julius Caesar by likening Obi Wan to Brutus. There are of course a few tweaks he made here and there, but once you see that Obi Wan IS Brutus, you can't really unsee it.
Even though he had to be prodded (by most accounts), Brutus does deliver a stab to Caesar. Just like Obi Wan delivers the killing blow to Anakin. The relationships between Brutus/Caesar and Obi Wan/Anakin are inverted, but you cannot deny it is the same thing: killing the figure they love for the good of the Republic (both Roman and Galactic).
Brutus, while a senator, was an idealist and not a schemer like Cassius. This parallels with Kenobi who was thrust into politics on behalf of the Jedi Council's mandate to do good and protect the Republic. Neither wanted the power but were put in positions to be manipulated by the real power seekers. Brutus was manipulated by Cassius and the other conspirators while Kenobi was manipulated by the Jedi Council. Sure the Council was on the protagonist side of the story, but he was made go off on stupid side quests and they tried to get Anakin to spy on Palpatine through Kenobi.
The super cringey exposition is a direct callback to Brutus. Brutus tried to quell the Roman crowd with his justification for taking part in stabbing Caesar, and Obi Wan whined as he sentenced Anakin to a fiery death on Mustafar. "Anakin, you were the chosen one." Eyeroll.
Brutus killed himself after the defeat at Phillipi, and Kenobi killed himself spiritually by going as a hermit in hiding on Tatooine.
For these reason, I frame the prequels as the Obi Wan Kenobi story.
But Brutus is an honorable man.
So who would be Rosencrantz & Guildenstern?Claude! said:Mega Lops said:
I'd counter that and say the Star Wars prequels are really the tragic story of Kenobi. And I'd go even further and say George Lucas was really scrapping the bottom of the barrel and totally ripped off Julius Caesar by likening Obi Wan to Brutus. There are of course a few tweaks he made here and there, but once you see that Obi Wan IS Brutus, you can't really unsee it.
Even though he had to be prodded (by most accounts), Brutus does deliver a stab to Caesar. Just like Obi Wan delivers the killing blow to Anakin. The relationships between Brutus/Caesar and Obi Wan/Anakin are inverted, but you cannot deny it is the same thing: killing the figure they love for the good of the Republic (both Roman and Galactic).
Brutus, while a senator, was an idealist and not a schemer like Cassius. This parallels with Kenobi who was thrust into politics on behalf of the Jedi Council's mandate to do good and protect the Republic. Neither wanted the power but were put in positions to be manipulated by the real power seekers. Brutus was manipulated by Cassius and the other conspirators while Kenobi was manipulated by the Jedi Council. Sure the Council was on the protagonist side of the story, but he was made go off on stupid side quests and they tried to get Anakin to spy on Palpatine through Kenobi.
The super cringey exposition is a direct callback to Brutus. Brutus tried to quell the Roman crowd with his justification for taking part in stabbing Caesar, and Obi Wan whined as he sentenced Anakin to a fiery death on Mustafar. "Anakin, you were the chosen one." Eyeroll.
Brutus killed himself after the defeat at Phillipi, and Kenobi killed himself spiritually by going as a hermit in hiding on Tatooine.
For these reason, I frame the prequels as the Obi Wan Kenobi story.
But Brutus is an honorable man.
jokershady said:Claude! said:Mega Lops said:
I'd counter that and say the Star Wars prequels are really the tragic story of Kenobi. And I'd go even further and say George Lucas was really scrapping the bottom of the barrel and totally ripped off Julius Caesar by likening Obi Wan to Brutus. There are of course a few tweaks he made here and there, but once you see that Obi Wan IS Brutus, you can't really unsee it.
Even though he had to be prodded (by most accounts), Brutus does deliver a stab to Caesar. Just like Obi Wan delivers the killing blow to Anakin. The relationships between Brutus/Caesar and Obi Wan/Anakin are inverted, but you cannot deny it is the same thing: killing the figure they love for the good of the Republic (both Roman and Galactic).
Brutus, while a senator, was an idealist and not a schemer like Cassius. This parallels with Kenobi who was thrust into politics on behalf of the Jedi Council's mandate to do good and protect the Republic. Neither wanted the power but were put in positions to be manipulated by the real power seekers. Brutus was manipulated by Cassius and the other conspirators while Kenobi was manipulated by the Jedi Council. Sure the Council was on the protagonist side of the story, but he was made go off on stupid side quests and they tried to get Anakin to spy on Palpatine through Kenobi.
The super cringey exposition is a direct callback to Brutus. Brutus tried to quell the Roman crowd with his justification for taking part in stabbing Caesar, and Obi Wan whined as he sentenced Anakin to a fiery death on Mustafar. "Anakin, you were the chosen one." Eyeroll.
Brutus killed himself after the defeat at Phillipi, and Kenobi killed himself spiritually by going as a hermit in hiding on Tatooine.
For these reason, I frame the prequels as the Obi Wan Kenobi story.
But Brutus is an honorable man.
So who would be Rosencrantz & Guildenstern?
I'm sorry, didn't they tell you?
I completely forgot Gary Oldman was in that! Off to go find clips on YouTube now….
SEE THIS IS WHY STAR WARS SUCKS RIGHT NOW WERE TALKING ABOUT A MOVIE THAT DEALS WITH TWO THROW AWAY CHARACTERS FROM HAMLET!!!!!!!
jokershady said:
I completely forgot Gary Oldman was in that! Off to go find clips on YouTube now….
I've never seen that.ovie but the clip of him and Tim Roth playing the question game is absolutely genius writing and acting.
It's immediate stop down when it pops up on my Instagram.
thank you. Kenobi splitting up Luke to live with crusty blue-milk drinking moisture farmers and Leia to be raised in the diplomatic lifestyle of Jimmy Smits on Alderaan was about as honorable as you could get in the wake of the Anakin fiasco to ensure the midichlorians of the bloodline survived.Claude! said:Mega Lops said:
I'd counter that and say the Star Wars prequels are really the tragic story of Kenobi. And I'd go even further and say George Lucas was really scrapping the bottom of the barrel and totally ripped off Julius Caesar by likening Obi Wan to Brutus. There are of course a few tweaks he made here and there, but once you see that Obi Wan IS Brutus, you can't really unsee it.
Even though he had to be prodded (by most accounts), Brutus does deliver a stab to Caesar. Just like Obi Wan delivers the killing blow to Anakin. The relationships between Brutus/Caesar and Obi Wan/Anakin are inverted, but you cannot deny it is the same thing: killing the figure they love for the good of the Republic (both Roman and Galactic).
Brutus, while a senator, was an idealist and not a schemer like Cassius. This parallels with Kenobi who was thrust into politics on behalf of the Jedi Council's mandate to do good and protect the Republic. Neither wanted the power but were put in positions to be manipulated by the real power seekers. Brutus was manipulated by Cassius and the other conspirators while Kenobi was manipulated by the Jedi Council. Sure the Council was on the protagonist side of the story, but he was made go off on stupid side quests and they tried to get Anakin to spy on Palpatine through Kenobi.
The super cringey exposition is a direct callback to Brutus. Brutus tried to quell the Roman crowd with his justification for taking part in stabbing Caesar, and Obi Wan whined as he sentenced Anakin to a fiery death on Mustafar. "Anakin, you were the chosen one." Eyeroll.
Brutus killed himself after the defeat at Phillipi, and Kenobi killed himself spiritually by going as a hermit in hiding on Tatooine.
For these reason, I frame the prequels as the Obi Wan Kenobi story.
But Brutus is an honorable man.
Truly, I am glad someone else sees the obvious parallels, though lazy as they may be (thanks George), between Kenobi and Marcus Junius Brutus.
Ahsoka S2 finished filming today!
Kate Beckett said:
Ahsoka S2 finished filming today!
Never saw season 1…
How was it?
How would this board rate it on a scale of "The Acolyte"being a 1 and "Empire Strikes Back / Rogue 1 / Andor"being a 10
SpreadsheetAg said:Kate Beckett said:
Ahsoka S2 finished filming today!
Never saw season 1…
How was it?
How would this board rate it on a scale of "The Acolyte"being a 1 and "Empire Strikes Back / Rogue 1 / Andor"being a 10
It's thought-provoking.
Ashoka is like a 6.5 with no rebels background and a 7.5 with Rebels background. It has some interesting ideas, but some clunky execution.
I would probably say 6.5 to 7. Cool to have those characters in a live action, good performance from one of the antagonists, 1 or 2 really good episodes, but also lacking any emotional connection at times, and questionable story decisions.SpreadsheetAg said:Kate Beckett said:
Ahsoka S2 finished filming today!
Never saw season 1…
How was it?
How would this board rate it on a scale of "The Acolyte"being a 1 and "Empire Strikes Back / Rogue 1 / Andor"being a 10
Better than Boba Fett
SpreadsheetAg said:Kate Beckett said:
Ahsoka S2 finished filming today!
Never saw season 1…
How was it?
How would this board rate it on a scale of "The Acolyte"being a 1 and "Empire Strikes Back / Rogue 1 / Andor"being a 10
It was an up and down season.
Quite a bit of payoff for folks who watched Rebels.
The further along the season you go, the more characters will do things just because the directors wanted them to and not because any intelligent being would actually do things that way.
Thrawn's depiction was disappointing.
One of the new characters is really awesome, but his actor tragically died and I can't imagine anyone else will fill his presence in S2.
Thanks and gig'em
The casting for season 2 is gonna be pretty solid for that character imo
It will be hard, at least at first, to see him as this character and not the one he's best known for.
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SpreadsheetAg said:Kate Beckett said:
Ahsoka S2 finished filming today!
Never saw season 1…
How was it?
How would this board rate it on a scale of "The Acolyte"being a 1 and "Empire Strikes Back / Rogue 1 / Andor"being a 10
Honestly, the decision they made with one of the main characters from Rebels turned me off to the show pretty much from the start and it took me a long time to even get this show to a "meh". I didn't finish the season, and Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters.
On the plus side, it did give us a really cool LEGO armor piece from one of the antagonists. So...yay?
Absolutely agree with this. Still really hate that decision
those who watched rebels know exactly who you're referring to and I completely agree….CC09LawAg said:SpreadsheetAg said:Kate Beckett said:
Ahsoka S2 finished filming today!
Never saw season 1…
How was it?
How would this board rate it on a scale of "The Acolyte"being a 1 and "Empire Strikes Back / Rogue 1 / Andor"being a 10
Honestly, the decision they made with one of the main characters from Rebels turned me off to the show pretty much from the start and it took me a long time to even get this show to a "meh". I didn't finish the season, and Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters.
On the plus side, it did give us a really cool LEGO armor piece from one of the antagonists. So...yay?
Overall was "meh" to me and I'm expecting season 2 to try and hype things up much more since it's the last show (I think?) before Mando movie comes out
As someone who's only watched a bit of Rebels (I know, it's in the queue) I'm assuming we're talking about Sabine's force sensitivity?
The biggest Rebels mistake was not having Vader kill Ahsoka. I will die on this hill.
I mean, if we could make a trade for someone who actually was killed, I'd be down for that.
fig96 said:
As someone who's only watched a bit of Rebels (I know, it's in the queue) I'm assuming we're talking about Sabine's force sensitivity?
Same question. Have watched all of Rebels but assume what you wrote.
Man what a dumb and confusing plot choice. Made zero sense throughout and was so poorly written….
jokershady said:
Man what a dumb and confusing plot choice. Made zero sense throughout and was so poorly written….
Ruined the character.
Yes, that completely soured me on it.
I hate when they hand it out willy nilly to characters, to me it cheapens its meaning and she already had a great background, storyline, etc. that it really served zero purpose for character development
I hate when they hand it out willy nilly to characters, to me it cheapens its meaning and she already had a great background, storyline, etc. that it really served zero purpose for character development
powerbelly said:
The biggest Rebels mistake was not having Vader kill Ahsoka. I will die on this hill.
They came so close too. Set up the perfect scenario. Would have been a great moment for both characters as it could be moment that Anakin Skywalker believed he could not be redeemed until Luke came.
I fully agree with you on this hill.
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