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Driver's perspective is different in that Comer is presented as kind of sort of wanting him to ravage her.

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This, according to you, is obvious and inarguable? I would love for you to point to a specific moment that is evidence to this.

The only scene where there is anything that resembles flirtation is in the earlier scene I mentioned before where she ends up coming to his room, which again, I'm not sure if it happened or not.

But not in the rape scene itself. If so, definitely enlighten me.

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During that scene in the Driver-version, its in the way Comer intentionally slips her shoes off versus them falling off because she's running away. And its in the very, very slight difference of her protests. In his version her, "No"s are muted and not forceful, as if they were given only because she knew it was wrong not because she didn't want it.

His version is the type of version a rapist tells himself to convince himself it wasn't a rape. Not to be sarcastic, but those differences were very slight but obvious.

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The fascinating thing about the whole story is the two combatants. Le Gris (Driver) and Carrouges (Damon) were both 56 years old at the time of the duel which seems very old for a man in the Middle Ages.

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"Interesting" side note: people in the Middle Ages routinely lived to 56 and beyond. While the average life expectancy of the time was much lower, that is heavily influenced by insane levels of infant and child mortality. In general, making it to 21 increased your expected lifespan by 2-3 decades. Nobility even more so than serfs.

While we do live longer today than people at the time, we often have a skewed sense of lifespan due to the reflection of infant mortality in the statistic. Neither Le Gris nor Carrouges would have been perceived as exceptionally old at the time.

No one is saying he didn't rape her. Where are you even getting that? We're simply saying that from his POV he interpreted a few tiny little gestures in a way that made him able, in his twisted mind, to justify raping her.

You're turning this into something no one is arguing, to the point where I don't even understand what you're trying to say anymore.

Just saw this on the weekend. My 2 cents.

Overall message is the plight of women. All the men are garbage. Comer's father basically sells her to Damon. Damon is a bully who cares nothing about Comer's feelings. Driver and Affleck are scumbag womanizers who see women as objects they can use however they want. The King is a pissant kid who revels in the misery of the peasants. Just all garbage.

I believe Driver's character believes he didn't rape Comer, which drives home the point of how women were perceived. He obviously did rape her, and got what he deserved.

They made a point to say that Damon died at war after the duel and that Comer never remarried. I think the point was that Comer was better off and probably happier when Damon died, and she could be rid of all men. I really can't dispute that, Damon was depicted as a horrible person to have to live with.

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All the men are garbage.

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I found this a bit surprising actually, but maybe somewhat refreshing. At no point do you really like Damon's character very much, but especially so in Marguerite's POV. Usually you get a hero in these movies.

Even though the rape was never in question, he was never a particularly good husband to her.

Still, thoroughly enjoyed the actual duel though.

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Probably, Marguerite considered sex with Damon rape. I mean, she accepted it, felt like it was her "wifely duty", but she never wanted it, never enjoyed it. What a hellish life for the real Marguerite.

I will say that I had no opinion of Jodie Comer before seeing this. I had only seen her in Free Guy.

But after seeing this I'm totally on the Comer bandwagon and will make a point to look for her future projects. And no, that's not just because she's attractive.

Three things that stood out to me during our watch:

(1) The reactions of all the women (except Marguerite's friend) to the accusation of rape. Even the Queen's facial expressions indicated that she understood what Marguerite went through. Even noble birth was no protection against being forced to have sex.

(2) The trial showed how the legal defense against an allegation of rape was completely and purposefully stacked in favor of the man. You got pregnant? Well, pregnancy is only possible when the woman enjoys sex, so you obviously weren't raped if you enjoyed it and became pregnant. And if you're barren with your husband, you've shirked your wifely duties and obviously desired sex with a different man. Follow the science!

(3) The movie was set in medieval France. But the same story could have been told in the present day in almost any other country in the world. Including ours.

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Still, the plot was tiresome and repetitive. When I realized we had to see all 3 perspectives I yawned in anticipation.

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Why did you keep watching??

Just watched it. Decent movie. Appreciated the minor differences in the perspective of Le Gris and Marguerite. It really had to have sucked to have been a woman in those times. Which I guess was the point of the movie.


Comer is awesome in Killing Eve by the way. Really underrated show.

Finally watched this last night and really enjoyed it. I do not understand people quibbling over some of the repeat dialogue in the three perspectives, or whining about the different perspectives at all. The entire point of the film is to show you how each people remember and perceive events...how they convince themselves of a reality that wasn't. Facial cues and body language are every bit as powerful in a story like this as spoken language so seeing contradictory reactions to the same dialogue was essential to the story.

And TC is right on the Le Gris's perspective. If you would like an aid to reinforce this, watch it with subtitles. (I pretty much watch everything with subtitles now due to awful sound editing). They show her giggling during Le Gris's perspective during the scene. He has convinced himself she's simply playing hard to get.

And I thought Affleck's representation of his character was totally fine - he's a medieval playboy. Rich royalty that is in a cultural strata above the common man. He has a license to do pretty much do whatever he wants to. A tale as old as time.

Considering the era of this film, I don't doubt it was made under the auspice of the "believe all women" war cry of the #metoo movement. Removing myself from the zeitgeist of the time, this was still a well made movie, IMO.

And this was my first introduction to Jodie Comer. She's attractive. Thought she did a great job.