Denis Villeneuve to direct next Bond film

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This may seem silly, but I legit think this news from a few weeks ago is a pretty big indicator why its Aaron Taylor Johnson


https://www.omegawatches.com/en-us/stories/aaron-taylor-johnson-joins-omega-as-a-brand-ambassador

That deal was likely brokered and done before the Broccolis sold the character/franchise. Amazon is fully in charge now and any previous considerations or talks have gone back to square one. I'm not saying it won't end up being Taylor-Johnson, but any talks that may have already happened were between him and the old regime.


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surfandturfsbisa96 said:

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surfandturfsbisa96 said:

I don't care who directs the next Bond as long as it isn't woke and they keep him white.


Not even trying to hide anymore eh
Nah, I just don't like race-swapping characters. Create a new character if you want to make him a different race. But they don't, they want to profit off the back of a pre-equisting commodity. I'd go see Idris Elba in 006.

Pretty amazing that you're able to post on this site all the way from the 1800s. That's a crazy strong internet connection. Do you ever try to and do anything with your knowledge of the future? I know you probably abhor the man, but think of how much the history books will revere you if you're able to stop Lincoln from getting shot.
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I like Theo James as the next Bond. I don't really have an issue with Aaron Taylor-Johnson like others do.

Cavill seems like he has a lot of other pet projects going on, but maybe I'm misreading that. And not that he wouldn't drop them to play Bond.

I don't who any of the rest of these dudes are on list above.
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While Bond being white definitely is a thing I think should stay the same it's not a deal breaker for me. That said, a white twink, as SP so eloquently puts it, would be worse than a POC who's a classic British alpha in every sense of the term.

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Bunk Moreland said:

While Bond being white definitely is a thing I think should stay the same it's not a deal breaker for me. That said, a white twink, as SP so eloquently puts it, would be worse than a POC who's a classic British alpha in every sense of the term.


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As long as they're considering Bond not being white, possibly the smartest thing they could do is pick an up and coming Indian Brit to play Bond. Other than value as a virtue signal, I dont think a black Bond is going to get more people into seats, as in I'm not sure blacks in America would fill up theaters to see a black James Bond...especially as it would be a British actor not known very well here. A few racists will refuse to watch it, even if it's a good actor and a well-made movie. But if they cast an Indian British actor as Bond and it's actually good, the ticket sales in the UK and India would be next level. Not sure anyone is even considering that, but they should. Just not Holland or anyone else who looks like theyd lose a fight in a Barnes and Noble coffee shop.
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Cliff.Booth said:

Just not Holland or anyone else who looks like theyd lose a fight in a Barnes and Noble coffee shop.
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TCTTS said:

surfandturfsbisa96 said:

Madmarttigan said:

surfandturfsbisa96 said:

I don't care who directs the next Bond as long as it isn't woke and they keep him white.


Not even trying to hide anymore eh
Nah, I just don't like race-swapping characters. Create a new character if you want to make him a different race. But they don't, they want to profit off the back of a pre-equisting commodity. I'd go see Idris Elba in 006.

Pretty amazing that you're able to post on this site all the way from the 1800s. That's a crazy strong internet connection. Do you ever try to and do anything with your knowledge of the future? I know you probably abhor the man, but think of how much the history books will revere you if you're able to stop Lincoln from getting shot.
Can you explain exactly what is wrong with what he said? Your response is rather sarcastic, but what is the problem with simply creating a new character? Do you really think that, on the whole, audiences are going to flock to a very well known character portrayed by a different race actor? Unless they cast a very well known actor, someone like a Denzel Washington (too old, not British, but the only name I can come up with), the movie is going to suffer at the box office. There will be some that will point to racism as the sole cause, but that won't be accurate by and large. This country is not chock full of racists as the media and Democrats like to tell everyone (the latter conveniently ignoring their very clear racist policies, but that's a topic for a different thread), but there are always those people in every population.

I get the intention of casting a black actor as 007, to give black audiences a movie with a popular, established character that will make a boat load of cash. Trouble is, that is simply latching onto something rather than taking the time to create something new. Dr. No did well enough to warrant making From Russia With Love, but at that time I rather doubt there were people humming the 007 theme or quoting Bond's witty quips. Take the time to make quality movies with a character, build that legacy character and world, and profit.
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I think Dev Patel could actually be an interesting choice.

I also think Harry Lawty from the TV show Indusrty would make a good young bond.
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Because the sad reality is that "new" and "original" aren't what gets made in terms of mainstream action/blockbusters/etc. Or, rather, not anywhere remotely as much as established franchises/IP, the vast majority of which are inherently "white" (or at least white-led).

Never mind that essentially telling black people to go make their own stuff has all kinds of implied connotations, whether intentional or not. It was also his "profit off the back of" comment that was the most cliched, racist-sounding bull****, as if white people worked hard for their franchises/IP and black people simply needed to get off their lazy asses and do the same. Again, whether intentional or not, the whole thing just reeks of back-of-the-bus/use-your-own-water-fountain vibes.

Especially when it's a hundred times harder to get new/original things made, you're essentially saying that white people have a right/claim to keep taking the easier, most popular route (established franchises/IP), while black people should have to take the infinitely harder route.

As for this specific instance, I'm not even advocating for a black Bond (though I do think Aaron Pierre would be great), or arguing that a black Bond would make more at the box office. I was simply calling out the phrasing of an ignorant, racist-sounding argument.
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I didn't realize Aaron Pierre is British. I could absolutely get on board with him as Bond.

The fact that Tom Holland is even being considered tells me that Amazon isn't serious about this.
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If I had to guess, Holland is on their (very long) list simply because he's a huge name, British, and under 30, but not being seriously considered. And the reporter ran with his name out of dozens because it gets clicks. Same for Elordi and Harrison to a lesser extent, seeing as one stars on one of the most popular shows on TV (Elordi on Euphoria) and the other just got cast as John Lennon in the four huge, upcoming Beatles movies. They're buzzy names, nothing more, and I would be shocked if any one of them got the role.
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YouBet said:

surfandturfsbisa96 said:

I don't care who directs the next Bond as long as it isn't woke and they keep him white.


As long as its not a Ginger.


Hey actually now I think it's time that a race swap ended in favor of the gingers
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wangus12 said:

YouBet said:

surfandturfsbisa96 said:

I don't care who directs the next Bond as long as it isn't woke and they keep him white.


As long as its not a Ginger.


Hey actually now I think it's time that a race swap ended in favor of the gingers


You had CSI: Miami. You've had your time in the sun and you couldn't handle it.
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veryfuller said:

I think Dev Patel could actually be an interesting choice.

I also think Harry Lawty from the TV show Indusrty would make a good young bond.


Is Lawty under consideration? He is a great actor and would be a great choice.
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The only argument you are making that I find compelling is in your first statement. That is a bottom line, economics-based argument. That alone should not prevent someone from making the attempt. If a good story is developed, if a good cast is put into place, and competent skillsets are allowed to flourish in crafting the overall product, there is no good reason why such a production could not ultimately find its audience and maybe even create something long lasting.

I'll simply point to the uphill battle that "Christian" movies face, yet they continue to be made. And while I have not watched it, The Sound of Freedom is an example of a movie that was made despite not being considered a mainstream type of release, and in fact, became a blockbuster in its own right. Heck, I believe it even blew away a blockbuster in terms of box office, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

There are good black filmmakers out there. Find the funding and make your movie. Black Panther might not be a good example since it was an existing property, but of course the titular character is black, and that movie made a bucket load of cash and wasn't it even nominated for Best Picture?
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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

The only argument you are making that I find compelling is in your first statement. That is a bottom line, economics-based argument. That alone should not prevent someone from making the attempt. If a good story is developed, if a good cast is put into place, and competent skillsets are allowed to flourish in crafting the overall product, there is no good reason why such a production could not ultimately find its audience and maybe even create something long lasting.

I'll simply point to the uphill battle that "Christian" movies face, yet they continue to be made. And while I have not watched it, The Sound of Freedom is an example of a movie that was made despite not being considered a mainstream type of release, and in fact, became a blockbuster in its own right. Heck, I believe it even blew away a blockbuster in terms of box office, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

There are good black filmmakers out there. Find the funding and make your movie. Black Panther might not be a good example since it was an existing property, but of course the titular character is black, and that movie made a bucket load of cash and wasn't it even nominated for Best Picture?

I'm sorry, but your arguments aren't even remotely comparable. We're not talking about low or even mid-budget, faith-based movies. We're talking about action movies and blockbusters.

The Sound of Freedom was made for $14M. The last Bond movie had a budget of over $250M.

Can big/competent action movies be made for cheaper than that? Of course. But even on the low end, we're still talking a difference of tens of millions of dollars.

And that difference is the entire argument.

Outside of simply sounding racists in and of itself, telling black people to go make their own, original action movies and start their own, original franchises simply isn't tenable. Is it theoretically possible? Sure. But given the highest grossing movies every year, let's say, roughly, I don't know, 85% of all studio money that funds action movies and blockbusters goes to already established franchises, sequels, prequels, video game adaptations, book adaptations, etc (aka IP, pre-existing "intellectual property").

Which, again, the vast majority of are inarguably led by a white characters.

That leaves roughly 15% of all studio action/blockbuster funding for new/original ideas, aka where some of y'all seem to be telling the black community to go play. That, in and of itself, is ****ed up, and I don't understand how y'all can't see the insane, incredibly unfair disparity there. Y'all are telling them they can't race swap with the white, already established action/blockbuster characters, and that they instead all have to go fight for scraps out of the tiny, 15% pool over there.

And yes, the Ryan Cooglers and the Jordan Peeles have made the most out of the opportunities they've been given to play in that 15% pool (via Sinners, Nope, etc). I'm not saying it's not doable. And yes, there's Black Panther and Blade and what not, but those black, already established franchise characters/titles are so few and far between that we're back to having the same numbers/disparity argument again.

My bigger question is... why do y'all care so much?

White people have already had SIX white James Bonds. Why do you need/feel entitled to a SEVENTH one? Why can't a black actor have just ONE shot?

It's so weird to me that this is even a thing.

And again, I'm not even advocating for a black Bond. Rather, I simply don't understand what makes a grown ass white man care so much to begin with, to the point of publicly complaining about it on the internet (which I'm not saying you're doing - I'm talking more in general and what the poster earlier was doing).
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Franchise movies can be made cheaply. Godzilla Minus One, for instance. Made a ton of money and looked great for a fraction of the production costs.

I disagree that it is racist to tell black filmmakers to create properties that wide audiences want to see. Now I actually would not have a problem with a black actor like Idris Elba in the 007 role, but the character is a white heterosexual male, going back to his inception in Ian Fleming's books and the series of movies going back to 1961. A black actor faces an uphill battle with the core Bond audience IMO. Create a story in the Bond universe much like Ballerina is in the John Wick universe.
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Can we get this thread back on track? Who the eff cares what skin color Bond is, as mentioned he just better have style and be an alpha. I'm willing to bet I'm the biggest Bond fan here, and the draw has nothing to do with skin color.

(Now my above opinion should be caveated with not wanting to see the 007 character be used explicitly to address prior issues related to racial discrimination. Amazon should hire the right actor that fits this movie)


Now, for back on track discussion, super pumped about DV being on board for this and hoping that we get a period piece Bond set during the Cold War. I've got GWoT fatigue and want us to explore Bond's character within the biggest espionage playground the world has ever known. I'm imagining a smaller stakes main story (i.e. no end of the world scenarios) set in Berlin with Bond having to navigate friend and foe, betrayal and trust. I want Bond to face moral dilemmas and to have to consider how far he's willing to go to complete the mission.

If we're creating a Bond'verse here, it needs to be built out as a real world that the audience can identify with and want to know more about the characters in it. I don't want this new franchise to start with Bond blowing everything in his path up. Not only is that asinine tradecraft, but the resulting movie is likely to be a generic action movie.

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Bond is a white male. Period.

Bond girls have always provided diversity.

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Cinco Ranch Aggie said:

Franchise movies can be made cheaply. Godzilla Minus One, for instance. Made a ton of money and looked great for a fraction of the production costs.

I disagree that it is racist to tell black filmmakers to create properties that wide audiences want to see. Now I actually would not have a problem with a black actor like Idris Elba in the 007 role, but the character is a white heterosexual male, going back to his inception in Ian Fleming's books and the series of movies going back to 1961. A black actor faces an uphill battle with the core Bond audience IMO. Create a story in the Bond universe much like Ballerina is in the John Wick universe.

Godzilla Minus One isn't an American studio movie. It's a Japanese movie made in the Japanese studio system, one that was surrounded by controversy for reportedly using overworked and underpaid VFX artists to achieve what they did on such a small VFX budget. Regardless, if it would have been made in the American studio system, with American labor laws/costs, it would have cost many millions more to make.

Which, again, makes all the difference.

It's just math.

That, and I cannot emphasize enough how incredibly hard it is to get an original movie made at action/blockbuster scale, in this country, and to that end how many incredible action/blockbuster scripts are sitting, unmade, on shelves, due to skittish studio execs unwilling to take chances in fear of losing their jobs.

Do you guys really think that black filmmakers/actors are just sitting around, on their hands, pining after "white" franchise roles, and that if they'd just pick themselves up by their bootstraps, and showed a little initiative, they could get original action/blockbusters made? That it's really that simple?

You don't think they've already tried that route hundreds if not thousands of times?

I just... do you not see how inherently racist that line of thinking is in and of itself? I'm not calling you a racists, I'm simply saying that you and others are choosing to ignore basic industry economics, citing bad faith examples, in favor of narratives that play into racial stereotypes. And it's just kind of weird how much some here insist on doing that over and over and over again in the face of objective facts.
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I thought Denis Villeneuve was going to do Rendevous with Rama. Did that get shelved?
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After Dune: Part Two Villeneuve was going to choose between one of three projects he's been developing...

- A new adaptation of Cleopatra
- An adaptation of Annie Jacobsen's Nuclear War: A Scenario
- An adaption of Rendezvous with Rama

Each apparently have scripts in various stages that he was either rewriting himself or helping a writer with. Whichever was furthest along/he eventually sparked to the most, he was going to make next.

But Dune: Part Two was so popular, and because Warner Bros really wanted to capitalize on its success, Villeneuve ultimately decided to make Dune: Messiah next, and just go ahead and complete the trilogy now instead of doing so three-five years from now. Then, while prepping Dune: Messiah (which, again, begins shooting this summer), this whole Bond thing went down, with the Broccolis selling, thus opening the door for Villeneuve to step in and direct, free of the Broccoli's iron grip/creative control, which, for Villeneuve, apparently trumped everything else he was developing.

So, yeah, we're looking at early next century before one of those other projects ever sees the light of day, if not directed by someone else at this point.
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Man, I would've taken Cleopatra all day over him doing Bond.
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I would have taken any of these three projects over Messiah (even though I don't know what that Nuclear film is), if he follows the book closely.

However, Dune 2 already diverged from the novel to set up a differently told story than the novel so it might actually be a good movie if he's not following the book.
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Again, I'm not advocating for a black Bond, or Idris specifically, but I can't say the thought didn't cross my mind either during F1 this past weekend...

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What about the guy that plays Damon Targaryen?
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I adore Matt Smith, but I would not pick him to be Bond.
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TheDoctor said:

I adore Matt Smith, but I would not pick him to be Bond.

Yeah, if you're going to have a Doctor play Bond, David Tennant would be the better choice.
 
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