nai06 said:

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Not done yet?

My brother you haven't even gotten to the picture disks yet that were released during that time period. I wouldn't even try and document the 7in/45s

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No. LOL Not even going to attempt those.

Nothing but albums really. I only did the xmas thing because they made it into a compilation album.

US Album Covers vs UK Album Covers

Note: I had to add 2 collections to the UK one as it was 13 albums (including the MMT EP) to balance it.

The UK versions win easily - just much more classic look.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Seems like from what I've seen that those are only valued in the $600-$1200 range today so probably not worth it from an investment point of view. But from a nostalgic point of view it would depend on what it meant to you I guess.

It's pretty cool. I'd love to find one.

I saw a reddit thread where someone found one (in decent shape) in a vinyl used record store in NJ for $30 like 3 years ago. The store obviously had no clue what they had.

My wife will hate this - so I have not brought it up yet - but I'm thinking about making an album cover collage of the Us Capitol releases in my office/man cave for one wall. I know I railed on the covers from the US versions in many cases but I think they are so interesting from how bad they are and people these days do not know them so it would grab your attention. I would want both the butcher cover and the steamer cover of Y&T.

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As someone who has done this, check Michaels and hobby lobby for the frames. They will often have a buy one get one free sale for those. Spring for the ones with real glass as the plexiglass ones never look quite right

A quick post today as I have not much to offer on this subject.

I have never owned nor even heard any of the Beatles Live albums except snippets from movies or shows and what was shown of the rooftop concert in the Get Back documentary.

Here are there 5 official Live albums although there are many bootlegs.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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A quick post today as I have not much to offer on this subject.

I have never owned nor even heard any of the Beatles Live albums except snippets from movies or shows and what was shown of the rooftop concert in the Get Back documentary.

Here are there 5 official Live albums although there are many bootlegs.

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I had Live at the Hollywood Bowl. Incredible energy. Girls screaming thoughout the songs. A real sense of Beatlemania.

Have you seen the Get Back documentary on Disney Plus? Close to 9 hours but really gives you a window into the recording of the album.

Ferg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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A quick post today as I have not much to offer on this subject.

I have never owned nor even heard any of the Beatles Live albums except snippets from movies or shows and what was shown of the rooftop concert in the Get Back documentary.

Here are there 5 official Live albums although there are many bootlegs.

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I had Live at the Hollywood Bowl. Incredible energy. Girls screaming thoughout the songs. A real sense of Beatlemania.

Have you seen the Get Back documentary on Disney Plus? Close to 9 hours but really gives you a window into the recording of the album.

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Yes I watched it when it came out - but I'm actually rewatching it now. Having done this thread and the other one with my fan made Beatles Next album it is fascinating to rewatch and see the genesis of so many songs.

I find the concept of EPs fascinating. It was never as a big of a thing in the US but there were some of course.

But in the UK EPs were a big thing until 1968. And the Beatles released a lot of EPs in the UK. Unlike the US where singles were used to sell albums in the UK albums were more often sold as products to sort of compliment singles. You made your hit records into singles and packaged up a lot of your other tracks into albums. I don't really get the logic as the US method of using a hit single to sell and album was so standard here

In the UK they regularly used EPs to package up either 4 singles (both A and B side) OR 4 songs from an album into 4 songs packages as an EP. They would wait a few months after sales had fallen off for those singles or that album and then package them together offering a bundle basically for discounted price. The Beatles still never usually put those singles onto an LP album until they started doing some compilations and greatest hits packages (of which the first was in late 1966 and most were in the 70s).

Conversely EPs in the US were typically for something different than just packaging singles or album subsets. It was often used as a way to get more music out following an album but before they had another full album ready. Or some special versions of songs. Or when a label had limited material from a band (like Vee-Jay did with The Beatles in 1964).

The cost of an EP was pretty affordable on a per song basis. This is the prices I found for singles, EPs and LPs in the 1958-1968 period. They started to rise after that through the 70s and 80s.

single $0.98 for 2 songs A and B side
EP $1.49 for 4 songs typically but could be 5
LP (mono) $3.98 for 11 or 12 songs
LP (stereo) $4.98 for 11 or 12 songs

EPs and mono LPs were pretty much gone by 1968.
EPs were usually charted on the singles chart in the US and UK although I think the UK had an EP chart (top 10) as well.

So here are the 15 UK (counting the double EP 2x) and 3 US Beatles EPs (I'll note the specific US ones all others are UK).

Twist and Shout - July 1963 - 4 songs from Please Please Me released in March 1963

Side one
1. "Twist and Shout" 2:33
2. "A Taste of Honey" 2:05
Side two
1. "Do You Want to Know a Secret" 2:00
2. "There's a Place" 1:53

The Beatles' Hits - September 1963 - four singles

Side one
1. "From Me to You" 1:56
2. "Thank You Girl" (originally released as the B-side to "From Me to You") 2:01
Side two
1. "Please Please Me" (originally released as a single b/w "Ask Me Why") 2:03
2. "Love Me Do" (originally released as a single b/w "P.S. I Love You") 2:22


The Beatles No. 1 - November 1963 - four more songs from Please Please Me
The cover was a version of the Please Please Me cover photo.

Side one
1. "I Saw Her Standing There" 2:55
2. "Misery" 1:47
Side two
1. "Anna (Go to Him)" 2:54
2. "Chains" 2:23


All My Loving - February 1964 - 2 songs from Please Please Me and 2 from With The Beatles

Side one
1. "All My Loving" (from With the Beatles) 2:10
2. "Ask Me Why" (from Please Please Me) 2:28
Side two
1. "Money (That's What I Want)" (from With the Beatles) 2:52
2. "P.S. I Love You" (from Please Please Me) 2:02


US EP Vee-Jay Records
Souvenir of Their Visit to America - March 1964 - four songs from Introducing The Beatles released in January 1964
This EP failed to chart in the US.

Side one
1. "Misery" 1:48
2. "Taste of Honey" 2:04
Side two
1. "Ask Me Why" 2:28
2. "Anna" 2:58

US EP Capitol Records
Four By The Beatles - April 1964 - four songs from Meet The Beatles released in January 1964
Peaked at #92 on the US billboard Hot 100 singles chart

Side one
1. "Roll Over Beethoven" 2:44
2. "All My Loving" 2:03
Side two
1. "This Boy" 2:11
2. "Please Mr. Postman" 2:35

Long Tall Sally - June 1964 - unique in that these four songs had not previously been released in the UK. Side one songs had been on the US Beatles Second Album in March 1964 and Side two were on the forthcoming US Something New Album in July 1964. They would finally appear on the Past Masters in LP form in 1988.

Side one
1. "Long Tall Sally" 2:03
2. "I Call Your Name" 2:09
Side two
1. "Slow Down" 2:56
2. "Matchbox" 1:58


Extracts From A Hard Day's Night - November 1964 - four songs from the film and soundtrack

Side one
1. "I Should Have Known Better" 2:43
2. "If I Fell" 2:19
Side two
1. "Tell Me Why" 2:09
2. "And I Love Her" 2:30

Extracts From A Hard Day's Night - December 1964 - four songs from the album but not in the film
This release used the exact same title as the previous but a different cover

Side A
"Any Time at All" 2:14
"I'll Cry Instead" 2:06
Side B
"Things We Said Today" 2:38
"When I Get Home" 2:19

US EP Capitol Records - the last Beatles EP released in the US
4 by the Beatles - February 1965 - all four songs were from Beatles '65 released in December 1964
a nearly identical name to the previous Capitol EP which had charted, this one also charted as high as #68.
The cover reused the Beatles '65 primary photo.

Side one
"Honey Don't" 2:56
"I'm a Loser" 2:30
Side two
"Mr. Moonlight" 2:39
"Everybody's Trying to Be My Baby" 2:25


Beatles For Sale (EP) - April 1965 - the four songs were from the album of the same exact name
The cover photo also used the same photo as the album but a different tint

Side A
"No Reply" 2:15
"I'm a Loser" 2:30
Side B
"Rock and Roll Music" 2:32
"Eight Days a Week" 2:43


Beatles for Sale No. 2 - June 1965 - another four songs from the same album

Side A
"I'll Follow the Sun" 1:46
"Baby's in Black" 2:05
Side B
"Words of Love" 2:04
"I Don't Want to Spoil the Party" 2:34


The Beatles' Million Sellers - December 1965 - this comprised 4 singles that had hit #1 in the UK and sold over a million copies

Side one
"She Loves You" 2:19
"I Want to Hold Your Hand" 2:24
Side two
"Can't Buy Me Love" 2:15
"I Feel Fine" 2:20

Yesterday (EP) - March 1966 - like the US Yesterday and Today album this looked to capitalize on the huge single Yesterday. The tracks were all from the B side of the UK Help! album but not the movie.

Side A
"Yesterday" 2:03
"Act Naturally" 2:33
Side B
"You Like Me Too Much" 2:40
"It's Only Love" 1:53


Nowhere Man - July 1966 - contains four songs from the UK Rubber Soul album

Side one
"Nowhere Man" 2:44
"Drive My Car" 2:25
Side two
"Michelle" 2:40
"You Won't See Me" 3:22


Magical Mystery Tour (double EP) - December 1967 - the last UK EP from the Beatles during their active recording period. Contains the 6 songs from the film.

Side one
1. "Magical Mystery Tour" - 2:48
2. "Your Mother Should Know" - 2:33
Side two
1. "I Am the Walrus" - 4:35
Side three
1. "The Fool on the Hill" - 3:00
2. "Flying" (Instrumental) 2:16
Side four
1. "Blue Jay Way" - 3:50

OTHERS:

There was a planned EP for Yellow Submarine that was conceived but never released.
Track Listing: Only A Northern Song, Hey Bulldog, Across The Universe, All Together Now & All Too Much


There was an untitled bonus rarities EP included in the 1981 EP Box Set that contained all of the UK EPs.



It contained these songs in stereo for the first time in the UK:

Side one
The Inner Light 2:39
previously included on the Lady Madonna single and "Rarities" album in mono, this stereo mix was the first such available release in the UK.
Baby You're A Rich Man 3:04
previously issued in mock stereo on the All You Need is Love single and Magical Mystery Tour album, this true stereo mix was first issued on The Beatles Box for the first time.
Side two
She's A Woman 3:06
previously included on the I Feel Fine single and "Rarities" album in mono, Also issued for the first time in stereo on The Beatles Box. This stereo mix is slightly longer and includes a "1, 2, 3, 4" count-in from Paul.
This Boy 2:14
previously included on the I Want To Hold Your Hand single and "Rarities" album in mono. The sleeve claims this is the first stereo release available in the UK, but this mix was previously used on Love Songs.


This was the cover of the EP Box Set mentioned above:

EPs in the US don't make any sense to me at all.

At the time I was living through it all, I never heard of an EP or saw one for sale.

What size were they? Were they 33 1/3 or 45?

OldArmy71 said:

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EPs in the US don't make any sense to me at all.

At the time I was living through it all, I never heard of an EP or saw one for sale.

What size were they? Were they 33 1/3 or 45?

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I'm not an expert by any means.

From what I know originally there were 45 rpm 7" singles and 33 and 1/3 rpm 12" LPs. The EP was introduced as a way to compete with the LPs somewhat. There were different sizes though at times including both 7" and 10" which could hold 15 minutes per side.

But the 7" became more standard by the 60s and could hold about 7 minutes per side. Apparently most of it just has to do with the cost of producing an EP vs a single so that it uses tighter grooves and fits more music. Because otherwise they are fairly interchangeable with singles. So it was a single size but typically held 2 songs per side instead of 1 but could even be 3 depending on song length.

Some EPs were made with the larger hole like a 45/single in the middle. But some had the smaller hole and actually the most common was a smaller hole like an LP but the center part could be punched out to play on a smaller record player meant for singles.

45 rpms had a large center opening and needed an adapter either inserted in the record or sitting on the usual spindle making it fit correctly on players for larger LPs. Kids often just bought singles and had smaller record players than their parents so for a while EPs were popular because they got more songs on the same size record.

I think the 7" size is why it was sometimes also included in singles charts. But the UK and US both had EP charts at one time as well. It was never considered the main format though and was always for either collections of previously released songs or promo type things or new material when they only had a few songs.

Elvis apparently released over 25 EPs in his career.

Check these sites for some Beatles specific EP where you can see the packaging and the spindle hole which is sometimes small with a punchout option and sometimes larger.

Good picture of the disc for Nowhere Man on this one with the punchout.
https://ontherecords.net/2017/08/beatles-picture-sleeves/

Here are images and labels for a bunch of the UK EPs
https://www.yokono.co.uk/collection/beatles/uk/guide_ep_y_parlo.html

OldArmy71 said:

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EPs in the US don't make any sense to me at all.

At the time I was living through it all, I never heard of an EP or saw one for sale.

What size were they? Were they 33 1/3 or 45?

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45s. Mostly 7", but some 10"

Thank you for the info.

As I said, I never heard of EPs or saw one for sale or knew anyone who had one.

You would think that "American Pie" would have been a natural for it, though that song was pretty late in the game.

On the 45, you had to flip the record to hear both sides! Crazy.

The Village People's first release was an EP.

One side was big at dances at the height of the disco era.

San Francisco/In Hollywood.

Heck I recall a few EPs in the 80s.

U2 had some EPs although by then the standard was to release them on 12 inch vinyl but it had just 4 songs.

I owned one called Wide Awake in America it had 2 live tracks and 2 B sides from singles.

Side one
1. "Bad" (live) 8:00
2. "A Sort of Homecoming" (live) 4:05
Side two
1. "The Three Sunrises" 3:50
2. "Love Comes Tumbling" 4:45


More recently bands have taken to releasing EPs in digital format only as a way to combat bootlegs. Foo Fighters release a lot of EPs and I have some of them they mostly are either Live tracks or B sides. They call them Foo Files and they just have a long number not an identifying name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_Files


They aren't really advertised much if at all but big fans of bands like those know about them and sometimes there are real gems on them. you can find them on most streaming services though. On Apple music they are usually under the Singles and EPs section and I doubt most people bother searching them out.

Pearl Jam has one EP I know of called Merkin Ball with Neil Young and just two songs "I Got Id" and "Long Road". It was a companion to Neil Young's "Mirror Ball" album with Pearl Jam as his backing band but Eddie Vedder sings lead vocals on those.


TOOL had an EP called Opiate. It had 6 songs (2 live) and a hidden 7th song. It was in 12 inch format also.

EP (UK and US) cover art