Let the record show that I didn't compare you are anyone else here to a chimp. That was all you. I'm simply saying that I've brought concrete knowledge (that is tangible/true whether you believe it or not) and receipts to this conversation, while you've brought jack ***** No actual argument other than repeating the exact same sentiment in ten different ways. No serious refuting of specific points. Just tired, bad faith, political nonsense, along with a refusal to engage with actual storytelling/movie-making mechanics. In other words, the same crap you bring to every thread.
*** ONE BATTLE AFTER ANOTHER *** (Leonardo DiCaprio, dir. Paul Thomas Anderson)
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cena05 said:
Did you leave out this quote or am I reading it wrong?
"Anderson remains steadfast in his blunt messagenamely, that we have to face these authoritarian *******s with all the fight that we have. "
Cliff.Booth said:Quote:
And everything boils down to a few simple things. Firstly, how easily are you propagandized?
Second, was this your type of propaganda?
Or lastly, are you confident enough to admit that this is propaganda when all of the institutional hack critics look you directly in your eyes and tell you that this is one of the greatest films ever made.Quote:
This is more of the same far-left pandering we've been getting from Hollywood for years. There's just one caveat here. It's wrapped in competent film making that's undercut with a very busy story and an odd comedy element that works together to disarm the viewer. This all allows those who enjoy this to excuse their propaganda and gaslight you, the viewer, into thinking it's some sort of balanced, intelligent commentary.
I actually watched the whole 11 minutes
Pretty spot on. Very Charlie Kirk in the messaging.
Let's talk about it. Outstanding.
Again, I realize just how much some of you can't stand these "woke" themes in general, no matter how innocuous. That said, all I keep seeing are takes like the below, where basically everyone and their dog realizes that the French 75 are meant to be depicted in a negative/ineffective light. Yes, the movie is pro "don't treat illegal immigrants like ****," but what the movie is definitively NOT endorsing or romanticizing is violent ideology/extremism. This fact really is just plain as day now.
The last tweet is especially on point, underlining how it's not really about "the revolution" for any of the French 75. For Perfidia, it's more about the adrenaline/sexual high she gets from it, for Jungle***** it's the showy, attention-***** performance of it all, etc. In other words, "violent extremism" is simply a means to quench each of their shallow/selfish kinks and desires. It's what THEY get from it, not what society gets from it.
Bob, on the other hand, is the only one who eventually sees their bull**** for what it is and, at the end of act one, chooses something real instead: his daughter/family. One would think that conservatives could get behind such a positive message, but because there's still a tinge of "woke" to the whole thing I guess it's no-can-do for a handful of you.
The last tweet is especially on point, underlining how it's not really about "the revolution" for any of the French 75. For Perfidia, it's more about the adrenaline/sexual high she gets from it, for Jungle***** it's the showy, attention-***** performance of it all, etc. In other words, "violent extremism" is simply a means to quench each of their shallow/selfish kinks and desires. It's what THEY get from it, not what society gets from it.
Bob, on the other hand, is the only one who eventually sees their bull**** for what it is and, at the end of act one, chooses something real instead: his daughter/family. One would think that conservatives could get behind such a positive message, but because there's still a tinge of "woke" to the whole thing I guess it's no-can-do for a handful of you.
An authority who emanates and inspires love; not an authoritarian of fear or ideology or paranoia.
— The Civilian (@mrleonardclass) September 30, 2025
The key line is when Sensei tells Bob during the police raid, "We've been doing this for hundreds of years." He's telling Bob welcome to the fight, it's Ok, we know how to handle this.
— urban myths, legends (@urbanmyths) September 30, 2025
Even the little kids know how to get on the radios and warn the community when bad things are…
feels like a lot of ppl missed this & focused on the literal "firework show" that is the french 75 instead
— Tom Ato ੯‧̀͡⬮ (@TomAtoForReal) September 30, 2025
its a giant play pen for them - perfidia's adrenaline/sexual high off it, bob's search of meaning & ego stroking [+battle of algiers idolization], junglepussy's bank show
I just watched the trailer and thought "dude.. this looks like leftist propaganda", then jumped to the last page to find the video confirming the fact.
Thanks for posting that. Yet another trash movie I will be skipping.
Thanks for posting that. Yet another trash movie I will be skipping.
The thought of going through life this way, and making these kinds of decisions based solely on this kind of criteria, will never not be so hilariously sad and performative to me. Outside of TexAgs, even back in Texas, among all my conservative friends and family, I never, ever hear people talk this way.
Especially considering damn near everyone agrees that, regardless of its politics, this is an entertaining, incredibly well-made movie. Hell, the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 85%, never mind the 96% critics score or the near-unanimous praise in this thread alone. But because some random YouTube chodes "confirm" (hahaha) that it's "leftist propaganda," the movie is suddenly "trash" you must announce to all of us that you're going to skip.
Good Lord, this place is never not so ****ing weird.
Especially considering damn near everyone agrees that, regardless of its politics, this is an entertaining, incredibly well-made movie. Hell, the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 85%, never mind the 96% critics score or the near-unanimous praise in this thread alone. But because some random YouTube chodes "confirm" (hahaha) that it's "leftist propaganda," the movie is suddenly "trash" you must announce to all of us that you're going to skip.
Good Lord, this place is never not so ****ing weird.
TCTTS said:
Again, I realize just how much some of you can't stand these "woke" themes in general, no matter how innocuous. That said, all I keep seeing are takes like the below, where basically everyone and their dog realizes that the French 75 are meant to be depicted in a negative/ineffective light. Yes, the movie is pro "don't treat illegal immigrants like ****," but what the movie is definitively NOT endorsing or romanticizing is violent ideology/extremism. This fact really is just plain as day now.
The last tweet is especially on point, underlining how it's not really about "the revolution" for any of the French 75. For Perfidia, it's more about the adrenaline/sexual high she gets from it, for Jungle***** it's the showy, attention-***** performance of it all, etc. In other words, "violent extremism" is simply a means to quench each of their shallow/selfish kinks and desires. It's what THEY get from it, not what society gets from it.
Bob, on the other hand, is the only one who eventually sees their bull**** for what it is and, at the end of act one, chooses something real instead: his daughter/family. One would think that conservatives could get behind such a positive message, but because there's still a tinge of "woke" to the whole thing I guess it's no-can-do for a handful of you.An authority who emanates and inspires love; not an authoritarian of fear or ideology or paranoia.
— The Civilian (@mrleonardclass) September 30, 2025The key line is when Sensei tells Bob during the police raid, "We've been doing this for hundreds of years." He's telling Bob welcome to the fight, it's Ok, we know how to handle this.
— urban myths, legends (@urbanmyths) September 30, 2025
Even the little kids know how to get on the radios and warn the community when bad things are…feels like a lot of ppl missed this & focused on the literal "firework show" that is the french 75 instead
— Tom Ato ੯‧̀͡⬮ (@TomAtoForReal) September 30, 2025
its a giant play pen for them - perfidia's adrenaline/sexual high off it, bob's search of meaning & ego stroking [+battle of algiers idolization], junglepussy's bank show
Indeed just a tinge of woke. I definitely go to transflag X accounts for a balanced interpretation of what is and what isn't left wing propaganda.
Also, the movie is definitely endorsing revolutionary violence, and condoning attacks on ICE/Border Patrol/Anyone to the right of Rashida Tlaib
If you think conservatives are going to watch 2.5 hours of Antifa porn only to get behind the "pothead decides to support daughter's ostensibly left wing activism after a life time of violence" you might want to actually meet a few conservatives
TCTTS said:
The thought of going through life this way, and making these kinds of decisions based solely on this kind of criteria, will never not be so hilariously sad and performative to me. Outside of TexAgs, even back in Texas, among all my conservative friends and family, I never, ever hear people talk this way.
Especially considering damn near everyone agrees that, regardless of its politics, this is an entertaining, incredibly well-made movie. Hell, the audience score on Rotten Tomatoes is 85%, never mind the 96% critics score or the near-unanimous praise in this thread alone. But because some random YouTube chodes "confirm" (hahaha) that it's "leftist propaganda," the movie is suddenly "trash" you must announce to all of us that you're going to skip.
Good Lord, this place is never not so ****ing weird.
It pleases me that my post has angered you so much. You are too predictable.
The fact that you (and apparently everybody you hang with) are so naive and clueless doesn't change reality.
Quo Vadis? said:TCTTS said:
Again, I realize just how much some of you can't stand these "woke" themes in general, no matter how innocuous. That said, all I keep seeing are takes like the below, where basically everyone and their dog realizes that the French 75 are meant to be depicted in a negative/ineffective light. Yes, the movie is pro "don't treat illegal immigrants like ****," but what the movie is definitively NOT endorsing or romanticizing is violent ideology/extremism. This fact really is just plain as day now.
The last tweet is especially on point, underlining how it's not really about "the revolution" for any of the French 75. For Perfidia, it's more about the adrenaline/sexual high she gets from it, for Jungle***** it's the showy, attention-***** performance of it all, etc. In other words, "violent extremism" is simply a means to quench each of their shallow/selfish kinks and desires. It's what THEY get from it, not what society gets from it.
Bob, on the other hand, is the only one who eventually sees their bull**** for what it is and, at the end of act one, chooses something real instead: his daughter/family. One would think that conservatives could get behind such a positive message, but because there's still a tinge of "woke" to the whole thing I guess it's no-can-do for a handful of you.An authority who emanates and inspires love; not an authoritarian of fear or ideology or paranoia.
— The Civilian (@mrleonardclass) September 30, 2025The key line is when Sensei tells Bob during the police raid, "We've been doing this for hundreds of years." He's telling Bob welcome to the fight, it's Ok, we know how to handle this.
— urban myths, legends (@urbanmyths) September 30, 2025
Even the little kids know how to get on the radios and warn the community when bad things are…feels like a lot of ppl missed this & focused on the literal "firework show" that is the french 75 instead
— Tom Ato ੯‧̀͡⬮ (@TomAtoForReal) September 30, 2025
its a giant play pen for them - perfidia's adrenaline/sexual high off it, bob's search of meaning & ego stroking [+battle of algiers idolization], junglepussy's bank show
Indeed just a tinge of woke. I definitely go to transflag X accounts for a balanced interpretation of what is and what isn't left wing propaganda.
Also, the movie is definitely endorsing revolutionary violence, and condoning attacks on ICE/Border Patrol/Anyone to the right of Rashida Tlaib
If you think conservatives are going to watch 2.5 hours of Antifa porn only to get behind the "pothead decides to support daughter's ostensibly left wing activism after a life time of violence" you might want to actually meet a few conservatives
It's truly amazing how y'all can keep repeating this line over and over and over again without addressing a single, direct argument I've made to the contrary. Not one of you has actually engaged with the substance of my posts, refuted the dozens of receipts I've brought, or attempted to seriously try and dispel my specific narrative/screenwriting points. Don't you find it suspect that literally all y'all can manage is the exact same company line, repeated ad nauseam, without providing any additional evidence whatsoever in response to the specifics I've offered? Otherwise, y'all have done nothing but lob Nuh-uhs and LOLs and flat-out dismissal of well-reasoned substance simply because it came from a lib account. To that end, you'll mock the person posting but you won't even address the argument itself? That right there tells me everything I need to know. Every post of y'all's is full of bluster and mocking, but then… absolutely nothing else. Just "It's revolutionary violence propaganda!" without the hows and the whys contrary to the countless specifics I've offered in return.
TCTTS said:Quo Vadis? said:TCTTS said:
Again, I realize just how much some of you can't stand these "woke" themes in general, no matter how innocuous. That said, all I keep seeing are takes like the below, where basically everyone and their dog realizes that the French 75 are meant to be depicted in a negative/ineffective light. Yes, the movie is pro "don't treat illegal immigrants like ****," but what the movie is definitively NOT endorsing or romanticizing is violent ideology/extremism. This fact really is just plain as day now.
The last tweet is especially on point, underlining how it's not really about "the revolution" for any of the French 75. For Perfidia, it's more about the adrenaline/sexual high she gets from it, for Jungle***** it's the showy, attention-***** performance of it all, etc. In other words, "violent extremism" is simply a means to quench each of their shallow/selfish kinks and desires. It's what THEY get from it, not what society gets from it.
Bob, on the other hand, is the only one who eventually sees their bull**** for what it is and, at the end of act one, chooses something real instead: his daughter/family. One would think that conservatives could get behind such a positive message, but because there's still a tinge of "woke" to the whole thing I guess it's no-can-do for a handful of you.An authority who emanates and inspires love; not an authoritarian of fear or ideology or paranoia.
— The Civilian (@mrleonardclass) September 30, 2025The key line is when Sensei tells Bob during the police raid, "We've been doing this for hundreds of years." He's telling Bob welcome to the fight, it's Ok, we know how to handle this.
— urban myths, legends (@urbanmyths) September 30, 2025
Even the little kids know how to get on the radios and warn the community when bad things are…feels like a lot of ppl missed this & focused on the literal "firework show" that is the french 75 instead
— Tom Ato ੯‧̀͡⬮ (@TomAtoForReal) September 30, 2025
its a giant play pen for them - perfidia's adrenaline/sexual high off it, bob's search of meaning & ego stroking [+battle of algiers idolization], junglepussy's bank show
Indeed just a tinge of woke. I definitely go to transflag X accounts for a balanced interpretation of what is and what isn't left wing propaganda.
Also, the movie is definitely endorsing revolutionary violence, and condoning attacks on ICE/Border Patrol/Anyone to the right of Rashida Tlaib
If you think conservatives are going to watch 2.5 hours of Antifa porn only to get behind the "pothead decides to support daughter's ostensibly left wing activism after a life time of violence" you might want to actually meet a few conservatives
It's truly amazing how y'all can keep repeating this line over and over and over again without addressing a single, direct argument I've made to the contrary. Not one of you has actually engaged with the substance of my posts, refuted the dozens of receipts I've brought, or attempted to seriously try and dispel my specific narrative/screenwriting points. Don't you find it suspect that literally all y'all can manage is the exact same company line, repeated ad nauseam, without providing any additional evidence whatsoever in response to the specifics I've offered? Otherwise, y'all've done nothing but lob Nuh-uhs and LOLs and flat-out dismissal of well-reasoned substance simply because it came from a lib account. To that end, you'll mock the person posting but you won't even address the argument itself? That right there tells me everything I need to know. Every post of y'all's is full of bluster and mocking, but then… absolutely nothing else. Just "It's revolutionary violence propaganda!" without the hows and the whys contrary to the countless specifics I've offered in return.
I watched the movie dude. Your arguments to the contrary are dumb. You're completely devoted to your opinion, so much so that you purposefully left out a quote from a review you cited because it was contradictory.
It was left wing propaganda, it glorified left wing violence against a right wing authoritarian government, even if one of those people was shown in a negative light. I don't care about whatever limp wristed dissection you use that makes you feel differently.
Ok, yeah, "dumb" and "limp wristed" is all you've got, the latter of which speaks volumes. Otherwise, no substance, no specifics. Got it. I was hoping I might be talking to someone who could get into the weeds, but clearly not.
TC, do you think it's possible that any/some/a significant portion of the viewing population will view this movie as glorifying violence towards right wing authoritarians and/or ICE and the like?
Sea Speed said:
TC, do you think it's possible that any/some/a significant portion of the viewing population will view this movie as glorifying violence towards right wing authoritarians and/or ICE and the like?
Are you kidding? The intended audience is vegan lumberjacks, immunocompromised film students, and keffiyeh wearing baristas
All of us in flyover country are too dense for the nuance
Good analysis of the numbers despite a click-baity title. Dicaprio doesn't disappoint, his acting in this is strong, it's just a movie Americans aren't in the mood to watch because it's demonizing good people and glorifying bad people.
Cliff.Booth said:
Good analysis of the numbers despite a click-baity title. Dicaprio doesn't disappoint, his acting in this is strong, it's just a movie Americans aren't in the mood to watch because it's demonizing good people and glorifying bad people.
I'm confused. A guy trying to find his daughter with his very limited strength and knowledge is a bad person? What about a karate instructor who likes a few small beers?
Also, most of the actual violence and death was inflicted at the hands of the Christmas Adventurers Club. Are they bad people? Hail St. Nick!
This is what makes the movie effective propaganda for gullible people. The Antifa-like group are presented as wholesome, good-natured, family-oriented, people with noble intentions. Anyone in the movie involved in immigration policy or enforcement is depicted as some kind of white supremacist ghouls. This movie is basically the left as it sees itself, and the right as the left sees them. But a fairly large portion of Americans see it the other way, with Antifa as degenerate commie thugs and law enforcement/ICE as wholesome, good Americans. Everyone is entitled to either of those views or something in between, but most Americans either won't want to see this or when they do they'll cringe a lot.
Except Perfidia ABANDONS THAT CHILD not two minutes after that shot! In no way is that "wholesome," "good-natured," and especially not "family-oriented." Yes, that single shot depicts the beauty of bringing a child into the world, but it's literally to show what Perfidia then REJECTS and what Bob ACCEPTS. Thus, BOB CHOOSES FAMILY OVER VIOLENT EXTREMISM.
I mean... you're straight up gaslighting at this point.
You cannot be a serious person and argue that that's "propaganda," given what happens immediately after that shot.
It just doesn't check out in any way, shape, or form.
Now, I'll give you the "white supremacist ghouls" thing, even though it's all done in hilarious, way-over-the-top fashion, to the point of farce. Whatever, though, you can have that one.
But good lord, you are being willfully ignorant to the whole "romanticizing revolutionaries" thing, in almost disturbing fashion.
I mean... you're straight up gaslighting at this point.
You cannot be a serious person and argue that that's "propaganda," given what happens immediately after that shot.
It just doesn't check out in any way, shape, or form.
Now, I'll give you the "white supremacist ghouls" thing, even though it's all done in hilarious, way-over-the-top fashion, to the point of farce. Whatever, though, you can have that one.
But good lord, you are being willfully ignorant to the whole "romanticizing revolutionaries" thing, in almost disturbing fashion.
You put too much stock into how much anyone will care about that. She put her passion for the revolution (terrorism) over her desire to be a Mommy yada yada yada. The whole film is an underground resistance movement fighting fascists who want to enforce immigration control, and, lo and behold, they're all just the nicest, coolest people. It's propaganda.
Also, Bob basically decides he can't go on immigration facility raids and bank robberies as a new dad , but he doesn't turn his back on the organization to develop any sense that maybe Marxist revolution isn't the answer. He is still a believer, and indoctrinates his child as such. so their motives are never called into question, never doubted, and we never see the other side as anything other than pure evil. Hence, propaganda.
Also, Bob basically decides he can't go on immigration facility raids and bank robberies as a new dad , but he doesn't turn his back on the organization to develop any sense that maybe Marxist revolution isn't the answer. He is still a believer, and indoctrinates his child as such. so their motives are never called into question, never doubted, and we never see the other side as anything other than pure evil. Hence, propaganda.
Cliff.Booth said:
You put too much stock into how much anyone will care about that. She put her passion for the revolution (terrorism) over her desire to be a Mommy yada yada yada. The whole film is an underground resistance movement fighting fascists who want to enforce immigration control, and, lo and behold, they're all just the nicest, coolest people. It's propaganda.
This is the distinction you're not getting.
The FIRST ACT is about "an underground resistance movement fighting fascists" VIOLENTLY.
Not "the whole film."
And during that first act, the French 75 are CLEARLY portrayed as misguided. Like I said yesterday, PTA shows Perfidia being in it for the wrong reasons, Jungle***** being in it for the wrong reasons, etc, etc, etc.
This is undeniable.
PTA then UNDERLINES this by having Perfidia go on to be an even more TERRIBLE PERSON by abandoning her daughter, ratting out her crew, and sleeping with Lockjaw. In other words, the "hero" of the French 75 is shown to be, inarguably, a misguided, cheap-thrills-seeking piece of ****, whose ideology was bankrupt.
From there, the final 2/3rd of the movie then switches to focus on BOB GETTING HIS DAUGHTER BACK, aka the FAMILY HE CHOSE over violent extremism. All while the "resistance movement" stuff moves to the background, and is NOT focused on violence/the French 75. Yes, the resistance movement stuff in the final 2/3rds is still about fighting fascists, but by the end of the movie the "message"/theme is DON'T FIGHT THEM VIOLENTLY.
THAT is the arc of the movie's messaging: "Resist, but do so without violence, and for the right reasons. Don't be like the French 75. Instead, be like Willa, Sergio, etc."
So, yeah, you can still think the movie is "woke" for that messaging, but it's still CLEALY disavowing the VIOLENT brand of resisting in the first act.
Meanwhile over on Reddit
I'm sorry, but the amount of context and intention missed in that post is laughable.
TCTTS said:Cliff.Booth said:
You put too much stock into how much anyone will care about that. She put her passion for the revolution (terrorism) over her desire to be a Mommy yada yada yada. The whole film is an underground resistance movement fighting fascists who want to enforce immigration control, and, lo and behold, they're all just the nicest, coolest people. It's propaganda.
So, yeah, you can still think the movie is "woke" for that messaging, but it's still CLEALY disavowing the VIOLENT brand of resisting in the first act.
Yeah, no it doesn't. It should have, but that would have taken it out of awards conversations.
I'd love for you to go back home and screen this movie for a few hundred of your former locals, and ask them afterward if they think it made any kind of statement against violent leftist political activity. Pretty sure you'd end up flipping a table when you realize no one outside of your bubble sees it the way you want them to. It's simply a movie about "the good fight" vs evil racist conservatives.
If they're anything like you, of course they won't think that. Luckily, TexAgs is a notoriously extreme but obscure corner of the internet, and thankfully the many conservatives I have in my life aren't politically obsessed zealots like the lot here.
Well phone em up and ask them a) why they haven't seen OBAA despite the marketing and critical hype and b) if they did see it how they felt about it.
Texags is just a place for run of the mill Ags to shoot the ***** The fact that I even saw this and complimented the technical production of it puts me into a camp several shades more moderate than most of average Ags or Texans in general. Your vision of posters who dare to counter your opinions as deranged extremists is pure cope and helps illustrate why Hollywood strikes out so often -- staffed by people who need to understand normal Americans but can't or don't want to.
Texags is just a place for run of the mill Ags to shoot the ***** The fact that I even saw this and complimented the technical production of it puts me into a camp several shades more moderate than most of average Ags or Texans in general. Your vision of posters who dare to counter your opinions as deranged extremists is pure cope and helps illustrate why Hollywood strikes out so often -- staffed by people who need to understand normal Americans but can't or don't want to.
Lol... now we are all just politically obsessed zealots.
The Right: "Can we please keep hyper politization, CRT, and LGBTQ+ stuff out of the majority of movies and just get back to entertainment, first? If you put that in, I will just not watch your movie.
The Left: "WHY ARE YOU SO POLITICALLY OBSESSED!? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS NEED TO POINT OUT HOW POLITCAL OUR MOVIES ARE?!"
What came first? The politically obsessed movie or the conservative complaining about the politically obsessed movie, leading you to call them "politically obsessed"?
The Right: "Can we please keep hyper politization, CRT, and LGBTQ+ stuff out of the majority of movies and just get back to entertainment, first? If you put that in, I will just not watch your movie.
The Left: "WHY ARE YOU SO POLITICALLY OBSESSED!? WHY DO YOU ALWAYS NEED TO POINT OUT HOW POLITCAL OUR MOVIES ARE?!"
What came first? The politically obsessed movie or the conservative complaining about the politically obsessed movie, leading you to call them "politically obsessed"?
Guys... come on.
Be real.
To those who know it, F16 is widely considered one of the most far-right eco chambers on the internet. It's also mocked frequently on the rest of this site, and outside of this site on social media, reddit, in everyday conversation, etc, all while having to be moderated like nothing else due to all the insane **** posted there.
Y'all can keep telling yourselves that you're just Averaged Joe concerned citizens, but this place is undeniably a harbor for far-right, politically-obsessed keyboard warriors who get off on raging on the internet, the likes of which I have never met in the real world. And I come from a very conservative family with countless conservative friends back home.
Of all the things being denied in this thread, this might take the cake.
Yes, a portion of the left absolutely deserves to be mocked, shouted down, etc, and are just as bad in their own right as some of the folks here. But at least have just an ounce of self-awareness and recognize that the very act of passionately arguing politics on the internet puts you in the "extreme" category by default. And I'm just as guilty for engaging with you! But at least I can cop to it.
Be real.
To those who know it, F16 is widely considered one of the most far-right eco chambers on the internet. It's also mocked frequently on the rest of this site, and outside of this site on social media, reddit, in everyday conversation, etc, all while having to be moderated like nothing else due to all the insane **** posted there.
Y'all can keep telling yourselves that you're just Averaged Joe concerned citizens, but this place is undeniably a harbor for far-right, politically-obsessed keyboard warriors who get off on raging on the internet, the likes of which I have never met in the real world. And I come from a very conservative family with countless conservative friends back home.
Of all the things being denied in this thread, this might take the cake.
Yes, a portion of the left absolutely deserves to be mocked, shouted down, etc, and are just as bad in their own right as some of the folks here. But at least have just an ounce of self-awareness and recognize that the very act of passionately arguing politics on the internet puts you in the "extreme" category by default. And I'm just as guilty for engaging with you! But at least I can cop to it.
Does anyone else think that the trailer was just bad?
I couldn't really tell what the movie was about and the juxtaposition between the unrealistic looking pregnant woman shooting an automatic weapon next to "Steve Lockjaw just invaded my home" made it look like some sort of parody.
I couldn't really tell what the movie was about and the juxtaposition between the unrealistic looking pregnant woman shooting an automatic weapon next to "Steve Lockjaw just invaded my home" made it look like some sort of parody.
“One Battle After Another” is about a young hero with a secret-but-evil father drawn into an unlikely desert adventure against fascists that brings a washed-up robe-wearing revolutionary out of exile joining a rebellion.
— Darren Mooney (@Darren_Mooney) September 29, 2025
It’s basically a “Star Wars” film, is what I’m saying. pic.twitter.com/1kH8bm9tEv
I don't scope out F16 very often. I still think youve just lived in LA now for over half of your life and lost touch with normal red state people. The people you talk down on on here are probably good Ags and good people, you just hate dissenting opinions.
DiCaprio made this comparison himself and I think it's pretty funny.
Not a 1:1, obviously, but if you squint...
Willa = Luke & Leia combo
Bob = Obi-Wan
Sergio = Yoda
Avanti Q = Boba Fett
Lockjaw = Darth Vader
Christmas Adventurers Club = Emperor Palpatine
I'm sure another couple comparisons could be made as well.
Granted, this will only embolden the naysayers, but Star Wars itself is influenced by the Vietnam War, with the Rebels representing the Viet Cong and the Galactic Empire symbolizing America, straight from Lucas' own mouth. Funny how no one is up in arms there...
Not a 1:1, obviously, but if you squint...
Willa = Luke & Leia combo
Bob = Obi-Wan
Sergio = Yoda
Avanti Q = Boba Fett
Lockjaw = Darth Vader
Christmas Adventurers Club = Emperor Palpatine
I'm sure another couple comparisons could be made as well.
Granted, this will only embolden the naysayers, but Star Wars itself is influenced by the Vietnam War, with the Rebels representing the Viet Cong and the Galactic Empire symbolizing America, straight from Lucas' own mouth. Funny how no one is up in arms there...
Cliff.Booth said:
I don't scope out F16 very often. I still think youve just lived in LA now for over half of your life and lost touch with normal red state people. The people you talk down on on here are probably good Ags and good people, you just hate dissenting opinions.
I don't hate dissenting opinions at all. I mentioned earlier in this thread exactly what I can't stand, which is the types who complain endlessly about "woke" in movies/TV, when it's obvious that, deep down, they wouldn't have it any other way. They not only get off on *****ing and moaning on the internet about Hollywood/liberals, they find a not insignificant part of their identity in it. It's choosing to define themselves through that hate, which then distorts their entire worldview, thus giving themselves a reason to endlessly stereotype/rage against fifty percent of the country. It's the hate and disinguinity that I have a problem with, not the opinion itself.
BadMoonRisin said:
Does anyone else think that the trailer was just bad?
I couldn't really tell what the movie was about and the juxtaposition between the unrealistic looking pregnant woman shooting an automatic weapon next to "Steve Lockjaw just invaded my home" made it look like some sort of parody.
I will definitely agree here.
The trailer(s) should have been...
My daughter has been kidnapped. I'm on a mission to get her back.
... with everything else as vibe/atmosphere/obstacle serving to compliment/highlight that single plight.
Otherwise, yeah, even I had no real sense of what the movie was about until the week of the release, when more was revealed through reactions, interviews, and the like.
Ok, but I have commented on lots of movie threads about movies that I liked. When I have an issue with a movie or show concerning its politics, I'll say so and I'll argue with you, but I have agreed with you on many movies we both like. I don't go around hounding you for fun, but I do sometimes find it fun sparring when you're getting frustrated that I don't see something your way. I'm not what you accused me of being numerous times now.
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