Calvin's treatise on "The Necessity of Reforming the Church" - Page 5

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In reply to The Banned • 10:14p, 12/18/25

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1. If we are 100% certain to go to Heaven, then we have no choice. If we have no choice, there can be no genuine love. There is only forced compliance with shorter, less painful timelines for some rather than others.

Philippians 2:10-11 says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confesses that Jesus is Lord. If we had the ability to reject God, surely there would be some holdouts here? The bible is clear that everyone will ultimately submit. If no one can reject God in the end, is it really a choice to love God?

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2. There is a reason that the denominations/particular congregations where universalism is espoused, the seriousness of sin is devalued. If everyone is going to be saved, then naturally their choices here on earth mean nothing in the long run.

Universalism doesn't mean hell is a trivial process. There is still weeping and gnashing of teeth and burning flesh in the lake of fire for who knows how long. Even if you take the lake of fire as a metaphor, the purpose of the metaphor is to describe something of similar intensity.