DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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I will ask this question on the interim…

Do people really think Trump cooked his own goose here? From a book subpoenaed then released by a Republican controlled house oversight committee?

Is that what we think is happening here? A house oversight committee that subpoenaed the book because Trump was trying to cover it up?

And now you think Trump is lying about it?

As with the rest of the innuendo regarding Trump and Epstein, it belies common sense. The Dems would not have pissed 2024 away if they had real damaging goods on Trump. They lied about him, censored him, arrested him, came after his wealth, businesses and wife's panties, then tried to kill him… twice.

But a 20 year old book with questionable material is going to be what gets him?

Give it up. He's your president, your dirty ol daddy, for 3+ more years.

And he's not a pedophile and he did not draw that picture. Stay tuned.
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Gun to my head, I'd probably say Trump is lying about not signing it. (or doesn't remember it.)

I also think it does not matter one iota. Let's say he did draw it and write the commentary and sign it. So what?


It was 20+ years ago.

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I would agree with you on that.

But it's possible he signed it or maybe it was his autopsy . But I think the analysis of phrasing and the picture drawing are shaky analysis. My analysis of the drawing will be much more scientific based and I think will clearly show he did not draw it. And if he didn't draw the picture, then maybe he did not write it or sign it.
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He 100% drew and signed it. It doesn't mean he did anything wrong, but the idea that somebody 30 years ago set up this long con against him (when he was friends with the guy) holds no water. The idea they slipped this into a bound book that was owned by his estate more recently also holds no water.

He 100% wrote this thing which is why his defense is dumb.

They have confirmed trump signatures and drawings from the time line that are dead matches.
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I've seen his building doodles. Did he also draw women?
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Im Gipper said:

Gun to my head, I'd probably say Trump is lying about not signing it. (or doesn't remember it.)

I also think it does not matter one iota. Let's say he did draw it and write the commentary and sign it. So what?


It was 20+ years ago.


If Donald Trump had sex with underage girls, so what? It was 20+ years ago.

If he didn't, he really should care less about the truth coming out.
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One is a very sick, perverted crime.

The other is a drawing of questionable taste.
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flown-the-coop said:

One is a very sick, perverted crime.

The other is a drawing of questionable taste.


And it definitely should substantially increase the odds that he did the latter in your eyes.
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If we remove all context from the universe, sure.

EDIT: this was @ those claiming it's just a crude drawing.
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Gordo14 said:

flown-the-coop said:

One is a very sick, perverted crime.

The other is a drawing of questionable taste.


And it definitely should substantially increase the odds that he did the latter in your eyes.


I don't accuse a man, particularly this man who has had the Hubble proctoscope shined up his hind for 10 years, of being a pedo based on an alleged note from 20 years ago.

I do hope someone accuses you of similar and you can work to defend yourself. It may teach you something.
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flown-the-coop said:

I've seen his building doodles. Did he also draw women?


He also claimed he didn't draw anything until those were pointed out.

The guys first instinct is always to lie.
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Got me. He is a serial doodler. When can we impeach?!
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Serial "liar"
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Gordo14 said:

Im Gipper said:

Gun to my head, I'd probably say Trump is lying about not signing it. (or doesn't remember it.)

I also think it does not matter one iota. Let's say he did draw it and write the commentary and sign it. So what?


It was 20+ years ago.


If Donald Trump had sex with underage girls, so what? It was 20+ years ago.

If he didn't, he really should care less about the truth coming out.


Quite a leap there!

If Trump had sex with underage girls 20 years ago, he should be imprisoned. It's not a difficult concept!

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flown-the-coop said:

Gordo14 said:

flown-the-coop said:

One is a very sick, perverted crime.

The other is a drawing of questionable taste.


And it definitely should substantially increase the odds that he did the latter in your eyes.


I don't accuse a man, particularly this man who has had the Hubble proctoscope shined up his hind for 10 years, of being a pedo based on an alleged note from 20 years ago.

I do hope someone accuses you of similar and you can work to defend yourself. It may teach you something.


Good news, I was not best buds with Jeffery Epstein. It's not like the accusations aren't credible. Look I'd give him some credit, if he wasn't lying and changing the story, and moving the goal posts over and over again. If he's so innocent, then I'd be happy to absolve him of the UNREDACTED client information is released. But if Donald Trump keeps gaslighting, then my presumption of guilt will continue to increase. Do I think it's 100% hrs guilty of serious crimes - no. But I think it's likely closer to 70% than you should be comfortable with the coverup that's occurring.

But if we deny truth, our Democracy will fail. It is failing, but it will truly fail.
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They have confirmed trump signatures and drawings from the time line that are dead matches.


Signature? Yes.

Drawing? No.


At least be honest!

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Im Gipper said:

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They have confirmed trump signatures and drawings from the time line that are dead matches.


Signature? Yes.

Drawing? No.


At least be honest!


They have tons of sharpie style drawings he did from that time period that were made public (and he claimed he never drew anything).

Who's being dishonest?
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Im Gipper said:

Gordo14 said:

Im Gipper said:

Gun to my head, I'd probably say Trump is lying about not signing it. (or doesn't remember it.)

I also think it does not matter one iota. Let's say he did draw it and write the commentary and sign it. So what?


It was 20+ years ago.


If Donald Trump had sex with underage girls, so what? It was 20+ years ago.

If he didn't, he really should care less about the truth coming out.


Quite a leap there!

If Trump had sex with underage girls 20 years ago, he should be imprisoned. It's not a difficult concept!


Is it really though? Sure this isn't enough to pass court of law which is why I think the public deserves to know more. And strangely Trump doesn't want you to know more.

But this was in the book with Trumps not so cryptic letter:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2025/sep/09/jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-in-pictures#img-3

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2025/sep/09/jeffrey-epstein-birthday-book-in-pictures#img-9

And I'm just supposed to think A. Donald Trump didn't know who Jefferey Epstein really was. And B. That he didn't partake?
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Who's being dishonest?


You are.

Please show a similar drawing. Don't move the goal posts.

YOUR words "dead matches". Show any drawings of women's bodies.


For the record, I don't think it matters if he "drew" it. He signed off on it (IMO). Does the artist really matter?

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Is it really though?


Yea. An enormous one.

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JDCAG (NOT Colin)
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Go watch the coffeezilla video posted before.

No he didn't draw and publicly display women's bodies. Same style of art though and again, he claimed he never drew anything until they came out publicly.

You guys are being ridiculous if you want to see drawings of the exact same thing to believe.
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You guys are being ridiculous if you want to see drawings of the exact same thing to believe.


WRONG!


YOU, yes YOU made a claim. "Dead matches".

Back it it. Or admit you exaggerated. It's easy if honest debate is your intent.

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I just told you I'm talking about style and type of drawing. If you expect dead matches to be same subject and everything then no, it isn't a dead match.

I think that is ridiculous and don't care too much how much you disagree.
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It's important to remind ourselves that this isn't about Donald Trump. It's about what he, prior administrations, and their employers are hiding.

The powers that be want you to keep focusing on the actors they pay to do their bidding on camera. The average Joe on both sides of Team Red and Team Blue should have their eyes pointed toward the source on this topic, finally.
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"Don't care" but here you are.

Making unsupported claims and posting on ZERO other politics topics. "Don't care". Lol

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I care about this topic. I don't care about your absurd side argument.
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(Checks watch)

Yep. Trump is still President.
The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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flown-the-coop said:

I'll be presenting later this evening my scientific analysis of the letter itself, particularly the drawing which is very obvious was not done by Trump.

TexAgs will be the first to see this and I will give permission for it to be shared. Stay tuned!


If you knock it out of the park you should get a taste of the $10Billion Trump thinks he'll get out of Rupert Murdoch.
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FWTXAg said:

It's important to remind ourselves that this isn't about Donald Trump. It's about what he, prior administrations, and their employers are hiding.

The powers that be want you to keep focusing on the actors they pay to do their bidding on camera. The average Joe on both sides of Team Red and Team Blue should have their eyes pointed toward the source on this topic, finally.

Amen
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techno-ag said:

(Checks watch)

Yep. Trump is still President.

I didn't say anything before, but yeah FYI no one cares about your "Trump is still President" posts. HTH
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FWTXAg said:

It's important to remind ourselves that this isn't about Donald Trump. It's about what he, prior administrations, and their employers are hiding.

The powers that be want you to keep focusing on the actors they pay to do their bidding on camera. The average Joe on both sides of Team Red and Team Blue should have their eyes pointed toward the source on this topic, finally.


Can confirm.

I've been calling for their release no matter who burns. I don't care if companies or governments crumble. After that, we tear down anyone that fought to keep it hidden. There is no room on this Earth for pedophiles and defenders of pedophiles.
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flown-the-coop said:

I will ask this question on the interim…

Do people really think Trump cooked his own goose here? From a book subpoenaed then released by a Republican controlled house oversight committee?

Is that what we think is happening here? A house oversight committee that subpoenaed the book because Trump was trying to cover it up?

And now you think Trump is lying about it?

As with the rest of the innuendo regarding Trump and Epstein, it belies common sense. The Dems would not have pissed 2024 away if they had real damaging goods on Trump. They lied about him, censored him, arrested him, came after his wealth, businesses and wife's panties, then tried to kill him… twice.

But a 20 year old book with questionable material is going to be what gets him?

Give it up. He's your president, your dirty ol daddy, for 3+ more years.

And he's not a pedophile and he did not draw that picture. Stay tuned.


He sure hung out A LOT (documented, traceable) with the world's most famous pedophile, who ran most famous trafficking ring. If not complicit in the 'activities' your daddy sure has spent a great deal of his adult life turning a blind eye to some the most unimaginable evil and its embrassing and disgusting to see people defend it or write it off.
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Average Joe said:

FWTXAg said:

It's important to remind ourselves that this isn't about Donald Trump. It's about what he, prior administrations, and their employers are hiding.

The powers that be want you to keep focusing on the actors they pay to do their bidding on camera. The average Joe on both sides of Team Red and Team Blue should have their eyes pointed toward the source on this topic, finally.


Can confirm.

I've been calling for their release no matter who burns. I don't care if companies or governments crumble. After that, we tear down anyone that fought to keep it hidden. There is no room on this Earth for pedophiles and defenders of pedophiles.

Can confirm.

There is no room on this Earth for pedophiles and defenders of pedophiles.
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Gig em G said:

techno-ag said:

(Checks watch)

Yep. Trump is still President.

I didn't say anything before, but yeah FYI no one cares about your "Trump is still President" posts. HTH

That's the beauty of it. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks. He's still the Prez.

The left cannot kill the Spirit of Charlie Kirk.
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