DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:23a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:

This is what Massie and co want - everything the government has (DOJ, FBI, etc) with only the victims names redacted and nothing else, so I'm not really sure what you are even pushing back on here. Besides constantly calling it a hoax and trying to get everyone to move on, Trump's team is so far only allowing for limited release of heavily redacted files.

So, for someone who wants the full release of the files, it's strange that you're so against what Massie is doing as that's the closest thing to what you are asking for.

I am pushing back on Massie's timing and tactic. Epstein dies in 2019. Is Massie just hearing about this?

Massie's request allows for the same redactions, same exclusions. He has packaged it to make you think its some huge new demand, but it simply is not. So no I do NOT support what Massie is doing as its all show, no substance.

He can remove sections 2 and 3 and we can talk. Until then he is just a bloviating, trump hatin congress critter.

BTW - People should really look at Massie's past. Since he has been in congress he is known for his showboat votes and one page bills that no one supports. This trick is nothing knew with him.

That is a good thing regarding Massie, and a bad thing regarding the rest of Congress, yet somehow you want to blame Massie? I think you should reflect on that more....
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:24a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:

This is what Massie and co want - everything the government has (DOJ, FBI, etc) with only the victims names redacted and nothing else, so I'm not really sure what you are even pushing back on here. Besides constantly calling it a hoax and trying to get everyone to move on, Trump's team is so far only allowing for limited release of heavily redacted files.

So, for someone who wants the full release of the files, it's strange that you're so against what Massie is doing as that's the closest thing to what you are asking for.

I am pushing back on Massie's timing and tactic. Epstein dies in 2019. Is Massie just hearing about this?

Massie's request allows for the same redactions, same exclusions. He has packaged it to make you think its some huge new demand, but it simply is not. So no I do NOT support what Massie is doing as its all show, no substance.

He can remove sections 2 and 3 and we can talk. Until then he is just a bloviating, trump hatin congress critter.

BTW - People should really look at Massie's past. Since he has been in congress he is known for his showboat votes and one page bills that no one supports. This trick is nothing knew with him.


Who was president in 2019, 2020, and now but still hasn't provided what you want?
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In reply to Tea Party • 9:26a, 9/4/25
Tea Party said:
Since you are so much smarter than us and clearly have a better understanding of how to politically handle big and sensitive topics like this, can you give us a step by step run down of how you would achieve your stated goals of a full unredacted release of all information? And how you would then go about obtaining justice for every bad actor involved.

Congressman flown-the-coop would do . . . .
and this is realistic and achievable in this political climate because . . . .

Probably should have just stopped there.

I have already laid out. And not what Congressman flown-the-coop would do, but POTUS Coop would release it all at this point. Every pixel, pecker, person, payment, plane ride. No redactions. You can blur a face, a sensitive areas, violence, etc and I would support redacting names of confirmed victims. Names of accusers who have not been verified by evidence should be released.

If any of the information can be used for criminal prosecutions, use it and proceed. International spy rings be damned.

Again, I have been pretty clear about this. But since I am not POTUS (yet), then we arrive at something short of that.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 9:27a, 9/4/25
He was being impeached and overrun by a Chinese bio weapon and a corrupt CDC working against him.

Where was Massie in 2019 and 2020? Hell, lets take a look...

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On March 26, 2019, Massie was one of 14 Republicans to vote with all House Democrats to override Trump's veto of a measure unwinding Trump's declaration of a national emergency at the southern border.[67]

In 2019, Massie signed a letter to Trump led by Representative Ro Khanna and Senator Rand Paul asserting that it was "long past time to rein in the use of force that goes beyond congressional authorization" and that they hoped this would "serve as a model for ending hostilities in the future in particular, as you and your administration seek a political solution to our involvement in Afghanistan."[68][69] Massie was also one of nine lawmakers to sign a letter to Trump requesting a meeting with him and urging him to sign "Senate Joint Resolution 7, which invokes the War Powers Act of 1973 to end unauthorized US military participation in the Saudi-led coalition's armed conflict against Yemen's Houthi forces, initiated in 2015 by the Obama administration". They asserted that the "Saudi-led coalition's imposition of an air-land-and-sea blockade as part of its war against Yemen's Houthis has continued to prevent the unimpeded distribution of these vital commodities, contributing to the suffering and death of vast numbers of civilians throughout the country" and that Trump's approval of the resolution through his signing would give a "powerful signal to the Saudi-led coalition to bring the four-year-old war to a close".[70]

On April 10, 2019, during former United States Secretary of State John Kerry's testimony to the House Oversight and Reform Committee, Massie called Kerry's political science degree from Yale University a "pseudoscience degree" and called Kerry's position on climate change "pseudoscience." Kerry responded, "Are you serious? I mean this is really a serious happening here?"[71] CNN and The Washington Post

In July 2019, Massie was the only Republican among 17 members of Congress to vote against a House resolution opposing efforts to boycott Israel and the Global Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement.[72][73] In November 2019, he was the sole "no" vote in Congress on the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019, which he called an "escalation" with the People's Republic of China.[74][75][76] He told Fox Business that he agreed with "90 per cent" of the bill but disagreed with sanctions.[77] He was also the sole vote against the Uighur Intervention and Global Humanitarian Unified Response (UIGHUR) Act in December 2019. In explaining his vote, Massie said that it would be hypocritical to take drastic action against China while still doing business with it, writing on Twitter that "please consider whether you committed enough to the issue that you would personally go a week without buying something made in China".[77] In December 2021, he was the sole vote against the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act.[78]


Such a strong, brave maverick.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:29a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
He was being impeached and overrun by a Chinese bio weapon and a corrupt CDC working against him.

Where was Massie in 2019 and 2020?


Oh okay so Trump was too busy to do the right thing. Good thing other politicians can pick up the slack. Better late than never I say.
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In reply to PaulsBunions • 9:32a, 9/4/25
If Massie wasn't busy in 2019 joining forces with Dems to antagonize Trump back then, maybe he could have picked up the slack.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:34a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
Tea Party said:
Since you are so much smarter than us and clearly have a better understanding of how to politically handle big and sensitive topics like this, can you give us a step by step run down of how you would achieve your stated goals of a full unredacted release of all information? And how you would then go about obtaining justice for every bad actor involved.

Congressman flown-the-coop would do . . . .
and this is realistic and achievable in this political climate because . . . .

Probably should have just stopped there.

I have already laid out. And not what Congressman flown-the-coop would do, but POTUS Coop would release it all at this point. Every pixel, pecker, person, payment, plane ride. No redactions. You can blur a face, a sensitive areas, violence, etc and I would support redacting names of confirmed victims. Names of accusers who have not been verified by evidence should be released.

If any of the information can be used for criminal prosecutions, use it and proceed. International spy rings be damned.

Again, I have been pretty clear about this. But since I am not POTUS (yet), then we arrive at something short of that.

I didn't ask what President flown-the-coop would do. I agree with you and would do the same if I was President, but your gripe is with Massie, a Congressman, thus my question is what would Congressman flown-the-coop do instead of what Massie is doing so you can achieve your goals of a full unredacted release of information.

You don't get to choose the easy button and say you would be President. Use some tacit and tell us your plan to either get the Congressional support for the release or to get Trump to release it.

Edit to add, what would you do now, not what would you have done several years ago. I agree it could have been handled better in the past by all parties.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:36a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:

This is what Massie and co want - everything the government has (DOJ, FBI, etc) with only the victims names redacted and nothing else, so I'm not really sure what you are even pushing back on here. Besides constantly calling it a hoax and trying to get everyone to move on, Trump's team is so far only allowing for limited release of heavily redacted files.

So, for someone who wants the full release of the files, it's strange that you're so against what Massie is doing as that's the closest thing to what you are asking for.

I am pushing back on Massie's timing and tactic. Epstein dies in 2019. Is Massie just hearing about this?

Massie's request allows for the same redactions, same exclusions. He has packaged it to make you think its some huge new demand, but it simply is not. So no I do NOT support what Massie is doing as its all show, no substance.

He can remove sections 2 and 3 and we can talk. Until then he is just a bloviating, trump hatin congress critter.

BTW - People should really look at Massie's past. Since he has been in congress he is known for his showboat votes and one page bills that no one supports. This trick is nothing knew with him.


You keep saying this but you're ignoring the difference in what he's proposing (along with ignoring that Trump keeps calling it a hoax vs agreeing to release everything) - any redactions have to be explained and justified publicly. So no, they're not the same.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:40a, 9/4/25
J. Walter Weatherman said:
flown-the-coop said:
I am pushing back on Massie's timing and tactic. Epstein dies in 2019. Is Massie just hearing about this?

Massie's request allows for the same redactions, same exclusions. He has packaged it to make you think its some huge new demand, but it simply is not. So no I do NOT support what Massie is doing as its all show, no substance.

He can remove sections 2 and 3 and we can talk. Until then he is just a bloviating, trump hatin congress critter.

BTW - People should really look at Massie's past. Since he has been in congress he is known for his showboat votes and one page bills that no one supports. This trick is nothing knew with him.


You keep saying this but you're ignoring the difference in what he's proposing (along with ignoring that Trump keeps calling it a hoax vs agreeing to release everything) - any redactions have to be explained and justified publicly. So no, they're not the same.

I do not believe anyone can be this naive. You think you will magically get more than "redactions for ongoing investigation" as the explanation?

By the very nature of redactions and classifications they can never be too descriptive as they would bely what was redacted / classified. This is common sense.
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In reply to Tea Party • 9:43a, 9/4/25
Tea Party said:
I didn't ask what President flown-the-coop would do. I agree with you and would do the same if I was President, but your gripe is with Massie, a Congressman, thus my question is what would Congressman flown-the-coop do instead of what Massie is doing so you can achieve your goals of a full unredacted release of information.

You don't get to choose the easy button and say you would be President. Use some tacit and tell us your plan to either get the Congressional support for the release or to get Trump to release it.

Edit to add, what would you do now, not what would you have done several years ago. I agree it could have been handled better in the past by all parties.

Oh, nice so let's draw a nice tight box, turn the griddle on and see if I can dance. How nice of you to ask what I would do then limit what I can say I can do and when.

If I were currently an R in the house, I would be working with my leadership to get with Trump on a much better communication plan and a demand for full release under the same specifications I answered as I was POTUS.

If I were current a D in the house, I would do what Massie is doing.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:46a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
flown-the-coop said:
I am pushing back on Massie's timing and tactic. Epstein dies in 2019. Is Massie just hearing about this?

Massie's request allows for the same redactions, same exclusions. He has packaged it to make you think its some huge new demand, but it simply is not. So no I do NOT support what Massie is doing as its all show, no substance.

He can remove sections 2 and 3 and we can talk. Until then he is just a bloviating, trump hatin congress critter.

BTW - People should really look at Massie's past. Since he has been in congress he is known for his showboat votes and one page bills that no one supports. This trick is nothing knew with him.


You keep saying this but you're ignoring the difference in what he's proposing (along with ignoring that Trump keeps calling it a hoax vs agreeing to release everything) - any redactions have to be explained and justified publicly. So no, they're not the same.

I do not believe anyone can be this naive. You think you will magically get more than "redactions for ongoing investigation" as the explanation?

By the very nature of redactions and classifications they can never be too descriptive as they would bely what was redacted / classified. This is common sense.


It's literally spelled out in the legislation.

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No record shall be withheld, delayed, or redacted on the basis of embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity, including to any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary.


And if your opinion on the eventual redactions is correct and we end up in the same place as we are now, what is the downside? If you want them to "release it all" it seems like you'd prefer more info released rather than less, even if it's not everything.
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9:47a, 9/4/25
Does KeithDB have a new handle?
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9:48a, 9/4/25
From the limited audio I heard on the Vince show, Bill Clinton needs to be gone from this earth. The lefts other hero was such a scumbag. The day the Clinton's are gone will be a day of celebration.
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In reply to J. Walter Weatherman • 9:49a, 9/4/25
You keep missing my issue is with Massie's tactics and timing. And I see through his charade, you do not.

Me criticizing Massie does not make me a perv protector. That's a low intel take if that's what people think.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:52a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
Tea Party said:
I didn't ask what President flown-the-coop would do. I agree with you and would do the same if I was President, but your gripe is with Massie, a Congressman, thus my question is what would Congressman flown-the-coop do instead of what Massie is doing so you can achieve your goals of a full unredacted release of information.

You don't get to choose the easy button and say you would be President. Use some tacit and tell us your plan to either get the Congressional support for the release or to get Trump to release it.

Edit to add, what would you do now, not what would you have done several years ago. I agree it could have been handled better in the past by all parties.

Oh, nice so let's draw a nice tight box, turn the griddle on and see if I can dance. How nice of you to ask what I would do then limit what I can say I can do and when.

If I were currently an R in the house, I would be working with my leadership to get with Trump on a much better communication plan and a demand for full release under the same specifications I answered as I was POTUS.

If I were current a D in the house, I would do what Massie is doing.


So you would join the swamp and do nothing but "demand" instead of using your constitutional powers afforded to you.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 9:53a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
Tea Party said:
I didn't ask what President flown-the-coop would do. I agree with you and would do the same if I was President, but your gripe is with Massie, a Congressman, thus my question is what would Congressman flown-the-coop do instead of what Massie is doing so you can achieve your goals of a full unredacted release of information.

You don't get to choose the easy button and say you would be President. Use some tacit and tell us your plan to either get the Congressional support for the release or to get Trump to release it.

Edit to add, what would you do now, not what would you have done several years ago. I agree it could have been handled better in the past by all parties.

Oh, nice so let's draw a nice tight box, turn the griddle on and see if I can dance. How nice of you to ask what I would do then limit what I can say I can do and when.

If I were currently an R in the house, I would be working with my leadership to get with Trump on a much better communication plan and a demand for full release under the same specifications I answered as I was POTUS.

If I were current a D in the house, I would do what Massie is doing.

What you call a tight box with the griddle on is what Massie is dancing on. Do you not see the irony in your opposition to the hand he is playing and how you mock the situation?

And I did not limit what you can say and do. This is still America right, and Congressman flown-the-coop certainly wouldn't be limited in what he can say and do while in office?

And your answer for what you would do as an R in the house has already been tried and failed, thus is not realistic and achievable in today's political climate. Though it's the fault of the GOP, Johnson, and Trump for not supporting the effort. I would do the same as an R Congressman but when that inevitably fails, as it already has, you need to try something new.

What is the something new since your plan has already been tried and failed?

Your comment about being a D and doing what Massie is doing is a troll comment that does adds nothing intellectual to the conversation fyi.
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10:15a, 9/4/25
Sincere question...when Bondi told a girl who was recording their conversation that there were "tens of thousands of videos 'and it's all with little kids'" (not minors)...was she just completely BS'ing? Parroting lies that someone told her?

It's just crazy the shift we have seen from people like her and Kash...and Trump. I will can't wrap my mind around it...Mossad involvement or not.

It went from, "we have everything and the public will see everything once we have reviewed to make sure we have done our investigative due diligence" to "there is nothing, no evidence of any sexual crimes against minors, and you are crazy for even asking about it".

At the very least, this has been a very bush leagued amateur way of handling something like this. And it's insulting to our intelligence. But i fear it could possibly be more sinister than that. Hope I am wrong.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 10:33a, 9/4/25
The timing is because Trump and co clumsily decided to weekend news dump a "just kidding, there's no more info" over the summer when Massie and others were assuming they were working on a plan to release everything they had talked about releasing for years. He would have rightfully had no hope of transparency when Biden was in office and the dems had the house.

The "tactics" are using his only power as a congressman and try to get legislation passed to force the administration's hand. How would you prefer he handle it?
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 11:09a, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
PaulsBunions said:
J. Walter Weatherman said:
His mindset is basically "I want all of the information to come out, but only if Trump is the one who releases it." Truly bizarre.


Yeah at this point it might be better to just add him to the mute list, he hasn't said anything coherent in a couple pages now.

Thank god.

I engage to inform. When someone closes their ears because they cannot handle facts then it shows who they are.


Lol
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12:07p, 9/4/25
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In reply to El Gallo Blanco • 12:19p, 9/4/25
El Gallo Blanco said:

At the very least, this has been a very bush leagued amateur way of handling something like this. And it's insulting to our intelligence. But i fear it could possibly be more sinister than that. Hope I am wrong.


Unfortunately I'm afraid you are not wrong.
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12:51p, 9/4/25
I've gone back and forth on what all should be released. On one hand, you have the victims who feel their government is protecting a pedophile who killed himself, and those close to him that may be pedophiles as well. They deserve justice. On the other hand, you have people that might be named, but no case has been brought against them thus far, and may never face justice because of a lack of evidence, unwilling victims, victims that may not be telling the truth, or a whole host of other factors. It's not fair to have your name be released as an alleged criminal in this without a way to clear your name.
The Trump Administration, most notably Pam Bondi, have handled this in about the worst way possible. Trump calling this a "Democrat Hoax" on the same day the victims are speaking is a level of tone deaf I haven't seen in a while. Then you have Bondi who has been playing The Epstein Files up since before she was nominated, only to downplay all of it once she's in office. Then she has the gall to start releasing information as "groundbreaking" only to find that it's all stuff already in the public record. Then this week, DOJ releases 30,000 pages of "documents," only to find that they are all .TIF images that aren't searchable unless you run them all through an OCR reader, and nothing is labeled by a file name to tell what the heck it is. On top of that, the people that have gone through some of the docs have said that roughly 90% of it is again all data that is already available in public filings. It's like this DOJ thinks the American people have "DUMBASS" written on their foreheads.
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In reply to flown-the-coop • 2:05p, 9/4/25
flown-the-coop said:
So then Matt Walsh is right. And Paul Massie is being a slimy congressman. Shocker.

No one believes Massie when he says he was not aware of it. It was not a gathering of thousands.


Matt Walsh admits he was wrong:

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In reply to PaulsBunions • 3:07p, 9/4/25
You can see where she spoke in the background of Massies presser and several of the same folk were at both.

Doesn't change anything for me. Just added context of the company Massie keeps.

Not for me. And for you, I think it's more than time to move on. I've stated my position, backed it up, and until actual further information is provided (man, sort of like I did with Eppinger, which you and others glossed over), then I don't need to keep responding to your needling.
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1:30 to 4:00 is a nice summary of why this is all so... weird.


Oops on the double post.
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3:57p, 9/4/25
https://okeefemediagroup.com/breaking-doj-deputy-chief/

Mr. Schnitt ought to think about updating his resume. How can the Trump admin **** up their handling of this next?
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In reply to f1ghtintexasaggie • 4:33p, 9/4/25
f1ghtintexasaggie said:
https://okeefemediagroup.com/breaking-doj-deputy-chief/

Mr. Schnitt ought to think about updating his resume. How can the Trump admin **** up their handling of this next?


That's ridiculous. Do they really think people won't see right through that?
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In reply to Queso1 • 4:38p, 9/4/25
Yes, they are sadly (correctly) assuming that a large percentage of people will believe whatever Trump tells them to believe.
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In reply to Queso1 • 4:41p, 9/4/25
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f1ghtintexasaggie said:
https://okeefemediagroup.com/breaking-doj-deputy-chief/

Mr. Schnitt ought to think about updating his resume. How can the Trump admin **** up their handling of this next?


That's ridiculous. Do they really think people won't see right through that?

I realize texags doesn't represent the real world, but does this place give much hope? The "haha they'd follow him off a cliff" isn't really a joke at this point.

BUT, something about that whole story seems... off. My senses are tingling.
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In reply to ETFan • 4:45p, 9/4/25
I think if only leftists were exposed, even the most devout trumpster would recognize what's going on. They'd have to toss a few Republicans under the bus so it wouldn't be obvious.
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In reply to ETFan • 5:25p, 9/4/25
ETFan said:
Queso1 said:
f1ghtintexasaggie said:
https://okeefemediagroup.com/breaking-doj-deputy-chief/

Mr. Schnitt ought to think about updating his resume. How can the Trump admin **** up their handling of this next?


That's ridiculous. Do they really think people won't see right through that?

I realize texags doesn't represent the real world, but does this place give much hope? The "haha they'd follow him off a cliff" isn't really a joke at this point.

BUT, something about that whole story seems... off. My senses are tingling.


Lol. Stop projecting and youd probably be closer to reality
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6:15p, 9/4/25
Left, Right, who gives a damn, LETS EXPOSE ALL NOT JUST YALL!!
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7:31p, 9/4/25
Keep this one at the top. Burn it down
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