Possible Epstein suicide note found.

"A note possibly written by Jeffrey Epstein before he was found dead in his jail cell has been locked in a New York courthouse for nearly seven years, the New York Times reported Thursday afternoon, a possible indicator that investigators have lacked a potential piece of evidence into the financier's death."

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Well that should settle things.

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Possible Epstein suicide note found.

"A note possibly written by Jeffrey Epstein before he was found dead in his jail cell has been locked in a New York courthouse for nearly seven years, the New York Times reported Thursday afternoon, a possible indicator that investigators have lacked a potential piece of evidence into the financier's death."

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Wonder how suspiciously similar the handwriting is to Hillary Clinton's

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Drahknor03 said:

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The real reason Trump didn't want the Massie Bill was basically because it would force a massive amount of DOJ rank and file into redaction review for release for months. Time that could be spent running down Medicare/aid fraud scams, investigating Soror-link groups, and ANTIFA.

Which is exactly what happened. There's nothing there. Embarassing stuff, but nothing particularly evil or illegal outside of Epstein and Maxwell.

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Congrats to the pedophile elite, the fix has been fully accepted by maga, as was fortold.

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The fix was in long before Epstein was first arrested in 2006. Was Trump in office at that time? Hell no, Obama had 12 years to prosecute Epstein and Maxwell. He failed and Obama covered it up. The underage sex ring ran by Epstein and Maxwell was well established and known long before Trump became President. Trump did not 'fix' anything. Trump's predecessors had their hands in guiding these coverups. Trying to blame Trump or associating Trump with Epstein and Maxwell is ridiculous.

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Drahknor03 said:

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The real reason Trump didn't want the Massie Bill was basically because it would force a massive amount of DOJ rank and file into redaction review for release for months. Time that could be spent running down Medicare/aid fraud scams, investigating Soror-link groups, and ANTIFA.

Which is exactly what happened. There's nothing there. Embarassing stuff, but nothing particularly evil or illegal outside of Epstein and Maxwell.

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Congrats to the pedophile elite, the fix has been fully accepted by maga, as was fortold.

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The fix was in long before Epstein was first arrested in 2006. Was Trump in office at that time? Hell no, Obama had 12 years to prosecute Epstein and Maxwell. He failed and Obama covered it up. The underage sex ring ran by Epstein and Maxwell was well established and known long before Trump became President. Trump did not 'fix' anything. Trump's predecessors had their hands in guiding these coverups. Trying to blame Trump or associating Trump with Epstein and Maxwell is ridiculous.

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But Trump campaigned on it. It was the #1 issue of 2024 and he gets slaughtered by Kamala if not for this issue energizing his base.

Then what does he do? He turns coat and tells Bondi to hide everything then tries to politically assassinate MTG and Massie for even mentioning it again.

Do you not see it!!! Don't derail with whataboutism regarding dates and when things SHOULD have been looked into, evidence gathered and prosecuted and the fact it sat around for over a decade before Trump ever sniffed the White House, but its all on Trump because he included it as a footnote at campaign rallies.

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The real reason Trump didn't want the Massie Bill was basically because it would force a massive amount of DOJ rank and file into redaction review for release for months. Time that could be spent running down Medicare/aid fraud scams, investigating Soror-link groups, and ANTIFA.

Which is exactly what happened. There's nothing there. Embarassing stuff, but nothing particularly evil or illegal outside of Epstein and Maxwell.

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Congrats to the pedophile elite, the fix has been fully accepted by maga, as was fortold.

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The fix was in long before Epstein was first arrested in 2006. Was Trump in office at that time? Hell no, Obama had 12 years to prosecute Epstein and Maxwell. He failed and Obama covered it up. The underage sex ring ran by Epstein and Maxwell was well established and known long before Trump became President. Trump did not 'fix' anything. Trump's predecessors had their hands in guiding these coverups. Trying to blame Trump or associating Trump with Epstein and Maxwell is ridiculous.

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But Trump campaigned on it. It was the #1 issue of 2024 and he gets slaughtered by Kamala if not for this issue energizing his base.

Then what does he do? He turns coat and tells Bondi to hide everything then tries to politically assassinate MTG and Massie for even mentioning it again.

Do you not see it!!! Don't derail with whataboutism regarding dates and when things SHOULD have been looked into, evidence gathered and prosecuted and the fact it sat around for over a decade before Trump ever sniffed the White House, but its all on Trump because he included it as a footnote at campaign rallies.

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Exactly. No one else but Trump made a campaign promise to the American voters that he would release everything for public scrutiny, and no one else but Trump went back on that promise as soon as he was elected.

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Oh well. It's still a far better average than any Dem pol.

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The real reason Trump didn't want the Massie Bill was basically because it would force a massive amount of DOJ rank and file into redaction review for release for months. Time that could be spent running down Medicare/aid fraud scams, investigating Soror-link groups, and ANTIFA.

Which is exactly what happened. There's nothing there. Embarassing stuff, but nothing particularly evil or illegal outside of Epstein and Maxwell.

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Congrats to the pedophile elite, the fix has been fully accepted by maga, as was fortold.

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The fix was in long before Epstein was first arrested in 2006. Was Trump in office at that time? Hell no, Obama had 12 years to prosecute Epstein and Maxwell. He failed and Obama covered it up. The underage sex ring ran by Epstein and Maxwell was well established and known long before Trump became President. Trump did not 'fix' anything. Trump's predecessors had their hands in guiding these coverups. Trying to blame Trump or associating Trump with Epstein and Maxwell is ridiculous.

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But Trump campaigned on it. It was the #1 issue of 2024 and he gets slaughtered by Kamala if not for this issue energizing his base.

Then what does he do? He turns coat and tells Bondi to hide everything then tries to politically assassinate MTG and Massie for even mentioning it again.

Do you not see it!!! Don't derail with whataboutism regarding dates and when things SHOULD have been looked into, evidence gathered and prosecuted and the fact it sat around for over a decade before Trump ever sniffed the White House, but its all on Trump because he included it as a footnote at campaign rallies.

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Exactly. No one else but Trump made a campaign promise to the American voters that he would release everything for public scrutiny, and no one else but Trump went back on that promise as soon as he was elected.

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Did Trump stop the release of the Epstein/Maxwell documents? No, he signed the act to release. Your criticism is now moot.

Well, I think you got the "as soon as he got elected" part a bit wrong. It was a bit more like "after we took a look, it became clear the files were a flippin mess but there does not appear to be anything of investigative substance there. To the extent there is, we will not discuss ongoing investigations".

But yep, campaign promises not filled is way worse then not doing the job in the first place, back when it mattered, back when justice for the victims could have actually been achieved. Let's just blame Trump 20 years later.

Makes total sense.

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Exactly. No one else but Trump made a campaign promise to the American voters that he would release everything for public scrutiny, and no one else but Trump went back on that promise as soon as he was elected.

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It is clear there are some Trump defenders inside the DOJ and FBI and in his base who don't care if Trump protects pedophiles and sex predators and intelligence agencies who may have been involved in Epstein's crimes. Some of them don't even care if Trump himself was involved directly or indirectly.

If the Dems gain control of the House (likely) or Senate (highly unlikely) in November, then they will turn up the heat on subpoenas and getting all the files unredacted and released. Will that result in getting all the unredacted files? I have no idea. Trump and the DOJ can refuse and easily stall via the courts for 2 years. But it is important to try. In the meantime, don't expect much additional progress.

Sure thing. You seem to have a thorough grasp of what remains hidden in the redacted and unreleased files.

And if you are right, then Todd Blanche will be headed to prison. You think you are right? I mean absolutely nothing supports your assertion that Trump's DOJ has been unresponsive to the Massie-Khanna act. You ignore the millions and millions of files released. And you ignore the reality that if there were ANYTHING in those files damaging to Trump and his "allies", it would have been deployed in the same manner as the attempted assassins and the former admin officials calling for assassination.

But yea, let's plan on those future congressional subpoenas. Because the first 30 years chasing this has been so productive in "getting Trump".

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Exactly. No one else but Trump made a campaign promise to the American voters that he would release everything for public scrutiny,

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This never happened.

What else does 86 represent?

It doesn't matter that it happens to be seashells. What if it was graffiti? Written in blood? What matters is what it means and who did it. Coming from the former top cop in the country means something. Did it set a plan in motion? Did it activate others? Inspire crazies? Plus, the grand jury had other information. They would not indict on just 'seashells'. There's more to this than any of us know.

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Did it set a plan in motion? Did it activate others? Inspire crazies?

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None of these three things are alleged against Comey.

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What else does 86 represent?

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I always thought it was a bar reference myself. I've been to actual bars that had an "86 list" meaning said bar patron was banned and could not come back.



That said, why do any of you continue to argue with talking point leftists on this issue? Obama did absolutely nothing about Epstein. Biden admin sat on the "files" for four years and did absolutely nothing. They didn't care then, they don't care now. They know if they had anything on Trump they would have used it years ago.

Pointless.

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Deerdude said:

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What else does 86 represent?

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I always thought it was a bar reference myself. I've been to actual bars that had an "86 list" meaning said bar patron was banned and could not come back.



That said, why do any of you continue to argue with talking point leftists on this issue? Obama did absolutely nothing about Epstein. Biden admin sat on the "files" for four years and did absolutely nothing. They didn't care then, they don't care now. They know if they had anything on Trump they would have used it years ago.

Pointless.

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Considering that he wasn't arrested until 2019, and then the files weren't unsealed until 2024, I find it hard to believe that Obama "did nothing" because there was nothing to be done. And Biden "sat on the files" because they were sealed.

Sounds like the left isn't the only side that has poor talking points and arguments.

The Epstein files didn't go in to some magical vault until being unsealed in 2024. The FBI had full access to all evidence gathered in NY, NJ and USVI. If there was anything at all that could have been used to go after Trump they would have used it. Everyone knows this.


I'll make a prediction though. You know what will happen if a dem wins the WH in 2028? Nothing.

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It is delusional to think that 4 ideologically different DOJs covering nearly twenty years with axes to grind against the opposing party wouldn't have used the investigation against their enemies if there was something worthwhile to use.

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Your mistake is thinking there are two different groups. Both parties, including Trump now, are protecting their rich donors. If you think Epstein and Maxwell trafficked hundreds of women to…each other? I'm not really sure what to tell you.

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They would have leaked something against someone. I mean, we have the goods on the former Prince Andrew.

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It doesn't matter that it happens to be seashells. What if it was graffiti? Written in blood? What matters is what it means and who did it. Coming from the former top cop in the country means something. Did it set a plan in motion? Did it activate others? Inspire crazies? Plus, the grand jury had other information. They would not indict on just 'seashells'. There's more to this than any of us know.

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You said what matters is what it means and who said it.

Yes I agree with you!

Now do that same with the files and explain why nothing has even been investigated. That's my point.

222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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No smoking gun about anyone in the US besides Maxwell and Epstein.

Apparently, they abused all those kids all by themselves.

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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I'm Still waiting for Trump to "lock her up" for the crimes she committed.


Elites protect elites regardless of party

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B-1 83 said:

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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No smoking gun about anyone in the US besides Maxwell and Epstein.

Apparently, they abused all those kids all by themselves.

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Are you familiar with the name Larry Nassar? He abused an estimated 250 to 300+ young girls over a 22 year period. An "open secret" in the elite gymnast circles i dont recall a single coconspirator being named or pursued.

So either he really did it all with no one helping, knowing or covering for him or as with Epstein some justice has not been served.

Have you been clamoring for the Larry Nassler files and posting dumb memes that Trump started a conflict in Iran to protect pedos?

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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No smoking gun about anyone in the US besides Maxwell and Epstein.

Apparently, they abused all those kids all by themselves.

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Are you familiar with the name Larry Nassar? He abused an estimated 250 to 300+ young girls over a 22 year period. An "open secret" in the elite gymnast circles i dont recall a single coconspirator being named or pursued.

So either he really did it all with no one helping, knowing or covering for him or as with Epstein some justice has not been served.

Have you been clamoring for the Larry Nassler files and posting dumb memes that Trump started a conflict in Iran to protect pedos?

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Larry Nassar, who famously hungout with presidents, princes and prime ministers all over the world, had connections to intelligence agencies, and was pals with billionaires and influential scientists.

Totally the same!

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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No smoking gun about anyone in the US besides Maxwell and Epstein.

Apparently, they abused all those kids all by themselves.

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Are you familiar with the name Larry Nassar? He abused an estimated 250 to 300+ young girls over a 22 year period. An "open secret" in the elite gymnast circles i dont recall a single coconspirator being named or pursued.

So either he really did it all with no one helping, knowing or covering for him or as with Epstein some justice has not been served.

Have you been clamoring for the Larry Nassler files and posting dumb memes that Trump started a conflict in Iran to protect pedos?

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Larry Nassar, who famously hungout with presidents, princes and prime ministers all over the world, had connections to intelligence agencies, and was pals with billionaires and influential scientists.

Totally the same!

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I don't think you considered what you are saying.

Are you confirming it's about Epsteins intelligence connections and not Justice for the victims? Cause that is the only way your post makes any sense.

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Zachary Klement said:

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B-1 83 said:

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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No smoking gun about anyone in the US besides Maxwell and Epstein.

Apparently, they abused all those kids all by themselves.

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Are you familiar with the name Larry Nassar? He abused an estimated 250 to 300+ young girls over a 22 year period. An "open secret" in the elite gymnast circles i dont recall a single coconspirator being named or pursued.

So either he really did it all with no one helping, knowing or covering for him or as with Epstein some justice has not been served.

Have you been clamoring for the Larry Nassler files and posting dumb memes that Trump started a conflict in Iran to protect pedos?

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Larry Nassar, who famously hungout with presidents, princes and prime ministers all over the world, had connections to intelligence agencies, and was pals with billionaires and influential scientists.

Totally the same!

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I don't think you considered what you are saying.

Are you confirming it's about Epsteins intelligence connections and not Justice for the victims? Cause that is the only way your post makes any sense.

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Where did I say that it is only about his intelligence connections and not justice for victims? Both matter greatly.

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Zachary Klement said:

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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No smoking gun about anyone in the US besides Maxwell and Epstein.

Apparently, they abused all those kids all by themselves.

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Are you familiar with the name Larry Nassar? He abused an estimated 250 to 300+ young girls over a 22 year period. An "open secret" in the elite gymnast circles i dont recall a single coconspirator being named or pursued.

So either he really did it all with no one helping, knowing or covering for him or as with Epstein some justice has not been served.

Have you been clamoring for the Larry Nassler files and posting dumb memes that Trump started a conflict in Iran to protect pedos?

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Larry Nassar, who famously hungout with presidents, princes and prime ministers all over the world, had connections to intelligence agencies, and was pals with billionaires and influential scientists.

Totally the same!

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I don't think you considered what you are saying.

Are you confirming it's about Epsteins intelligence connections and not Justice for the victims? Cause that is the only way your post makes any sense.

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Where did I say that it is only about his intelligence connections and not justice for victims? Both matter greatly.

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You never mentioned them and dismissed Nassar because he wasn't connected enough to billionaires and intelligence agencies. So again, you post made no reference or indication you considered the victims. You are welcome to edit or clarify.

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222 pages, and still no smoking gun about Trump.

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No smoking gun about anyone in the US besides Maxwell and Epstein.

Apparently, they abused all those kids all by themselves.

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Are you familiar with the name Larry Nassar? He abused an estimated 250 to 300+ young girls over a 22 year period. An "open secret" in the elite gymnast circles i dont recall a single coconspirator being named or pursued.

So either he really did it all with no one helping, knowing or covering for him or as with Epstein some justice has not been served.

Have you been clamoring for the Larry Nassler files and posting dumb memes that Trump started a conflict in Iran to protect pedos?

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Larry Nassar, who famously hungout with presidents, princes and prime ministers all over the world, had connections to intelligence agencies, and was pals with billionaires and influential scientists.

Totally the same!

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I don't think you considered what you are saying.

Are you confirming it's about Epsteins intelligence connections and not Justice for the victims? Cause that is the only way your post makes any sense.

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Where did I say that it is only about his intelligence connections and not justice for victims? Both matter greatly.

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You never mentioned them and dismissed Nassar because he wasn't connected enough to billionaires and intelligence agencies. So again, you post made no reference or indication you considered the victims. You are welcome to edit or clarify.

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That wasn't even what your original post was about.

You act like Nasslar was just some schmuck off the street. It's not like USA Gymnastics is the local rotary club and it's not like abusing 300 girls over 20 years is easy to keep under wraps.

So as with Epstein, there was a lack of timely justice and lack of holding any coconspirators accountable - better known as justice for the victims.

You dismissed Nasslar as not relevant because he didn't have the salacious political, power, elite, money, intelligence connections. I rightly pointed out that you seem to be one that focuses more on that aspect than justice victims as that is the most obvious reason for dismissing Nasslar.

As mentioned, you are free to clean it up.