Russia, Russia, Russia: DEBUNKED

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Logos Stick
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I'm sure the Dem "machine" will fund his legal fees. They all need to be indicted. Nothing may come from it, but it needs to happen.
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Logos Stick said:

I'm sure the Dem "machine" will fund his legal fees. They all need to be indicted. Nothing may come from it, but it needs to happen.

Or those slush funds are drying up because USAID is being dismantled.
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I dont expect real accountability here (criminal prosecution - prison) but I hope for ttransparency and acknowledgement.
Ellis Wyatt
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DEBOONKED!

This topic is not even on the main page of KWTX's/KBTX's website, you have to go to the national news page, but this is how the AP is choosing to report. It is not a fact-based report, it is their opinion. Not surprisingly, it is nothing more than leftist talking points. And to them, proof would have to be Hussein prosecuted and convicted. Nothing else will do for them.

Such different treatment from how the original Russian hoax was immediately taken as factual.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/07/24/gabbards-claims-anti-trump-conspiracy-by-obama-administration-not-supported-by-documents/

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard this month declassified material that she claimed proved a "treasonous conspiracy" by the Obama administration in 2016 to politicize U.S. intelligence in service of casting doubt on the legitimacy of Donald Trump's election victory.

As evidence, Gabbard cited newly declassified emails from Obama officials and a five-year-old classified House report in hopes of undermining the intelligence community's conclusion that Russian Presid

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Those investigations either concluded or accepted the conclusion that Russia embarked on a campaign to interfere in the election through the use of social media and hacked material.

The House-led probe, conducted by Trump allies, also concurred that Russia ran an election interference campaign but said the purpose was to sow chaos in the U.S. rather than boost Trump. Several of the reports criticize the actions of Obama administration officials, particularly at the FBI, but do not dispute the fundamental findings that Moscow sought to interfere in the election.

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Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard declassified material that she claimed proved a "treasonous conspiracy" by the Obama administration in 2016 to politicize U.S. intelligence in service of casting doubt on the legitimacy of Donald Trump's election victory.(Source: POOL via CNN)
The Associated Press has reviewed those reports to evaluate how Gabbard's claims stack up:
Russian election interference

CLAIM:
"The intelligence community had one assessment: that Russia did not have the intent and capability to try to impact the outcome of the U.S. election leading up to Election Day. The same assessment was made after the election." Gabbard to Fox News on Tuesday.

The documents Gabbard released do not support her claim. She cites a handful of emails from 2016 in which officials conclude that Russia had no intention of manipulating the U.S. vote count through cyberattacks on voting systems.

Again, they're omitting the fact that the previous investigations were prevented from seeing a lot of information, intentionally.
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coupland boy said:

I dont expect real accountability here (criminal prosecution - prison) but I hope for ttransparency and acknowledgement.

This what to watch for. Back in 2016, early spring, DOJ started handing out immunity deals like Skittles on Halloween to lower minions in Hillary's circle. They were building a case by doing so. Until Lynch and Comey put the kibosh on it.

So if stories about some lower level Obama or Biden officials in immunity discussions, DOJ is attempting to build a case. Bondi sure as hell won't put the kibosh on it.
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will25u said:




So, Russia, Russia, Russia,.…Russia?
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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If there are truly guilty persons that clearly broke the law, I pray the Justice System is up to the task and serious consequences are meted out. If not, we are pho...ked as a nation.
will25u
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Pretty important point here...

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
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"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution."

- Abraham Lincoln
Ellis Wyatt
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Like the lying ***** Sanner above, they'll pivot to "talking about this is advancing Putin's agenda! We can't talk about it anymore!"

The truth needs to be forced out. People have to know.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

DEBOONKED!

This topic is not even on the main page of KWTX's/KBTX's website, you have to go to the national news page, but this is how the AP is choosing to report. It is not a fact-based report, it is their opinion. Not surprisingly, it is nothing more than leftist talking points. And to them, proof would have to be Hussein prosecuted and convicted. Nothing else will do for them.

Such different treatment from how the original Russian hoax was immediately taken as factual.

https://www.kwtx.com/2025/07/24/gabbards-claims-anti-trump-conspiracy-by-obama-administration-not-supported-by-documents/

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WASHINGTON (AP) - Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard this month declassified material that she claimed proved a "treasonous conspiracy" by the Obama administration in 2016 to politicize U.S. intelligence in service of casting doubt on the legitimacy of Donald Trump's election victory.

As evidence, Gabbard cited newly declassified emails from Obama officials and a five-year-old classified House report in hopes of undermining the intelligence community's conclusion that Russian Presid

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Those investigations either concluded or accepted the conclusion that Russia embarked on a campaign to interfere in the election through the use of social media and hacked material.

The House-led probe, conducted by Trump allies, also concurred that Russia ran an election interference campaign but said the purpose was to sow chaos in the U.S. rather than boost Trump. Several of the reports criticize the actions of Obama administration officials, particularly at the FBI, but do not dispute the fundamental findings that Moscow sought to interfere in the election.

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Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard declassified material that she claimed proved a "treasonous conspiracy" by the Obama administration in 2016 to politicize U.S. intelligence in service of casting doubt on the legitimacy of Donald Trump's election victory.(Source: POOL via CNN)
The Associated Press has reviewed those reports to evaluate how Gabbard's claims stack up:
Russian election interference

CLAIM:
"The intelligence community had one assessment: that Russia did not have the intent and capability to try to impact the outcome of the U.S. election leading up to Election Day. The same assessment was made after the election." Gabbard to Fox News on Tuesday.

The documents Gabbard released do not support her claim. She cites a handful of emails from 2016 in which officials conclude that Russia had no intention of manipulating the U.S. vote count through cyberattacks on voting systems.

Again, they're omitting the fact that the previous investigations were prevented from seeing a lot of information, intentionally.

It was patently obvious at Tulsi's and Leavitt's presser that the media approach was going to be "this is old news" or "Rubio signed off on this earlier" and not worth reporting. They couldn't get enough of Russia when they thought it would hurt Trump, now that hussein is in the crosshairs, its sweep it under the rug time.
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But we have to remind everyone that this IS new information.
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So as we all knew, russiagate fell apart like a Chinese motorcycle.
will25u
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FobTies
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Interesting interview with Nikola guy on Tucker. The Feds accused him of being a "Russian Asset" in that whole short sell deal.

Children should be taught the new fable, the "Fed Who Cried Russia".
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F16 knew this from day one.
F16 doing the MSM job for them (or in spite of them).
will25u
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I have been putting the new more digestible information here for the people who don't partake in the Mueller mega thread. And put the more in the weeds info there.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

But we have to remind everyone that this IS new information.

In civil law, cases for fraud involve when the fraud is exposed or could be known by a reasonable person.

Criminal statutes of limitations work differently. They can be tolled but only under specific circumstances. Also depends on the federal charges. Some have no SOLs.
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I always thought Comey was tied to hilary clinton but never understood the connection. Was he promised the Attorney General position or was there something else?

Anybody have anything.

I would be ok with Clapper taking immunity and busting out on everybody else, especially comey & brennan plus the rest of the dnc enemy of state.
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
will25u
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From following this from the beginning, this sums it all up nicely with a bow.



Re: Russiagate

OK, I am going to state this as plainly and simply as possible. I am fed up with the lies, the cover-ups, the half-truths and the excuses for what was and still is the worst political crime in US history.

READY? These are facts:

1. The Steele Dossier was a hoax. A fabrication. All of it was a lie. Not a single word was true.

2. Russia never interfered in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump get elected. Never. Ever. Not once. All reports to the contrary are lies.

3. No one in Donald Trump's circle EVER "colluded" with the Russian government to steal the 2016 election. Never. Ever. Not once. All reports to the contrary are lies.

4. Every intelligence estimate from the Obama Administration contradicting #1, #2 or #3 was a deliberate, knowing lie.

5. Every report from Congress, the CIA, the FBI, Mueller and the media claiming accuracy in the above was completely erroneous because each such report treated the lying intelligence estimates from #4 as if they were valid, and their conclusions flowed from such invalid assumptions. (Garbage in, garbage out.)

6. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and each of their direct-report minions knew they were lying.

These are the facts. Indisputable. Undeniable. Facts.

Obama and Hillary and their evil minions and sycophants lied so that Trump would not win the 2016 election. When he did win the election, they lied so that he would never be inaugurated. When he was inaugurated, they lied to cripple his ability to govern.

The only people not actually involved in the "Trump/Russia Collusion" controversy were Trump and Russia.

ARE WE CLEAR?
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will25u said:

From following this from the beginning, this sums it all up nicely with a bow.

Re: Russiagate

OK, I am going to state this as plainly and simply as possible. I am fed up with the lies, the cover-ups, the half-truths and the excuses for what was and still is the worst political crime in US history.

READY? These are facts:

1. The Steele Dossier was a hoax. A fabrication. All of it was a lie. Not a single word was true.

2. Russia never interfered in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump get elected. Never. Ever. Not once. All reports to the contrary are lies.

3. No one in Donald Trump's circle EVER "colluded" with the Russian government to steal the 2016 election. Never. Ever. Not once. All reports to the contrary are lies.

4. Every intelligence estimate from the Obama Administration contradicting #1, #2 or #3 was a deliberate, knowing lie.

5. Every report from Congress, the CIA, the FBI, Mueller and the media claiming accuracy in the above was completely erroneous because each such report treated the lying intelligence estimates from #4 as if they were valid, and their conclusions flowed from such invalid assumptions. (Garbage in, garbage out.)

6. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and each of their direct-report minions knew they were lying.

These are the facts. Indisputable. Undeniable. Facts.

Obama and Hillary and their evil minions and sycophants lied so that Trump would not win the 2016 election. When he did win the election, they lied so that he would never be inaugurated. When he was inaugurated, they lied to cripple his ability to govern.

The only people not actually involved in the "Trump/Russia Collusion" controversy were Trump and Russia.

ARE WE CLEAR?

will25u
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Biggest scandal is US history and nary a front page word.

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They don't want to risk their pulitzer's for lying about it all. The lies and spin around the Ohr-Steele dossier were/are endless.

And the follow up impeachment effort led by Ukrainian lies from within the NSA/executive branch/DC won't be covered in those garbage papers either.
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NYT and WaPo, not sure, but I bet if they were around their reporters are who Gen. Sherman was talking about.

He was right, you know.
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Krombopulos Michael
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Sooooo he's going to pass on Obama and Hillary.

TACO is a real thing

Someone needs to get in Trump's ear and tell him why you don't negotiate with evil.

They ALL need to hang for the treason, not just the underlings.
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No, Trump never even tries to sound like he's making legal decisions/conclusions, because he knows that would put him in jeopardy.

Is it likely the DoJ charges Obama as part of the sedition, for his role in the December 2016 meeting when he was still POTUS? No. Is it possible he still will face charges for the ongoing acts in 2021-2025? Absolutely. Does Trump's 'tough guy' talk about this incentivize Obama to shut his cake hole on this and not direct more sedition? Absolutely, again.

I've stated this time and again, but Trump is best contextualized as a NYC real estate ****-talking investor. This plays a role in his preference for chopper pressers, over the top language, etc.
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I am glad someone has a little faith in Trump left.

If he takes a pass on HRC and Obama, he needs to be put in the cell right next to all the underlings who committed treason.

If a special prosecutor is announced we all know where it's going to end up.......
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Krombopulos Michael said:

I am glad someone has a little faith in Trump left.




Rational people have plenty of faith left in Trump. Overall, he is doing a great job.

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If he takes a pass on HRC and Obama, he needs to be put in the cell right next to all the underlings who committed treason.

Get your LOCK HIM UP!! banners and chants ready then. Let us know how your protest goes!

I'm Gipper
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The only thing Gutfeld didn't point out was that Durham didn't have access to the damning documents because the intelligence agencies hid the files.
FobTies
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45min mark gets into Brennan & Co and broader Russia Gate. Hopefully it continues to swirl in podcasting world until the leftist propaganda is no longer accepted.

FobTies
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I remember OG Nunes many years ago saying most of what Tulsi is saying now. Total vindication.

Why was the report Tulsi released classified/witheld for so many years?

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The answer is Gina Haspel, I believe.
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President Trump and his senior White House staff regarded the House intelligence report as so crucial that Trump reportedly considered going to the CIA before the 2020 election to retrieve and release the report himself. According to my sources at the White House and the House Intelligence Committee, the White House believed in the fall of 2020 that it was crucial for the American people to read this House report before the November 2020 presidential election.

The White House ordered CIA Director Haspel to release the report before the election. She refused.
I received a phone call about this matter in late October 2020 from Lou Dobbs, the host of the Fox Business Network show "Lou Dobbs Tonight" and a close friend of President Trump. I often appeared on Dobbs' show as a former CIA analyst. He called to consult with me about a possible trip by President Trump to CIA headquarters to retrieve the House Intelligence Committee report so he could release it. I told Dobbs that I feared this would not work because CIA Director Haspel would learn about the president's visit in advance and hide the inner safe containing the report before he arrived. Dobbs agreed with me and said he would convey this to President Trump. Trump's alleged visit to the CIA to seize the House report never took place.

I would like to again thank Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard for finally releasing the House Intelligence Committee's critical report on how President Obama, senior Obama officials, and intelligence officials were responsible for issuing a rigged and politicized intelligence assessment just before Donald Trump's first inauguration to destroy his presidency. This fraudulent intelligence report hounded Trump throughout his first term and contributed to his first sham impeachment in 2019. This perversion of U.S. intelligence also did grave damage to the objectivity and trustworthiness of America's intelligence agencies, from which they still have not recovered.

Truly incredible, if true. More at the link.
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aggiehawg said:

I, for one, feel vindicated as I watched it all unfold in real time in the Mueller thread.

I think what pissed me off the most was that the Mueller investigation knew there was nothing there in September 2017 when they allowed the Title One FISA warrant on Carter Page lapse.

The second thing that torqued me off was the dishonesty when they were drafting the Mueller report and deliberately put all of the secret grand jury stuff in it. That was in direct defiance of a binding DC Circuit Court decision handed down a few months before. Both Rosenstein and incoming AG Barr repeatedly warned Team Mueller not to put grand jury material into the report but they did it anyway. That's how strong they believed their feelz were more important than the law governing their actions within that investigation.

Your thread and those that consistently posted and informed is one of the all-time threads on this board.

It cast / shined a light where the media and the fools (including a lot of leftist fools on this board) who follow them spread lies and BS.

The number of lives these MFers ruined because HRC was sh*tty candidate and even sh*ttier person is staggering. I hope those affected, particularly General Flynn can sue the living hell out of these scumbags.

I would love to see Strzok, Page, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Pientka all in orange jumpsuits. The amount of money spent on this BS is staggering. There is so much evil in the deep state.

Thanks for keeping that thread going.
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will25u said:

From following this from the beginning, this sums it all up nicely with a bow.



Re: Russiagate

OK, I am going to state this as plainly and simply as possible. I am fed up with the lies, the cover-ups, the half-truths and the excuses for what was and still is the worst political crime in US history.

READY? These are facts:

1. The Steele Dossier was a hoax. A fabrication. All of it was a lie. Not a single word was true.

2. Russia never interfered in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump get elected. Never. Ever. Not once. All reports to the contrary are lies.

3. No one in Donald Trump's circle EVER "colluded" with the Russian government to steal the 2016 election. Never. Ever. Not once. All reports to the contrary are lies.

4. Every intelligence estimate from the Obama Administration contradicting #1, #2 or #3 was a deliberate, knowing lie.

5. Every report from Congress, the CIA, the FBI, Mueller and the media claiming accuracy in the above was completely erroneous because each such report treated the lying intelligence estimates from #4 as if they were valid, and their conclusions flowed from such invalid assumptions. (Garbage in, garbage out.)

6. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and each of their direct-report minions knew they were lying.

These are the facts. Indisputable. Undeniable. Facts.

Obama and Hillary and their evil minions and sycophants lied so that Trump would not win the 2016 election. When he did win the election, they lied so that he would never be inaugurated. When he was inaugurated, they lied to cripple his ability to govern.

The only people not actually involved in the "Trump/Russia Collusion" controversy were Trump and Russia.

ARE WE CLEAR?


Great post.

 
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