Not sure why, but I continue to be amazed, perplexed by folks so eager to demean, degrade, dismiss Trump that they are willing to suffer endless wars, rampant crime, open borders, and being a giant ***** on the world stage.

Trump is doing more work in the past 200 days than any other POTUS has done over that time period. And ALL OF IT is making America and the world a better place.

Starting to thing TDS may be broader than Trump. It seems there are a group of people who are unhappy with all things in life regarding work and responsibility and want to gravitate to the coddling of MSM, DNC handouts, and Swift-Kelce updates.

You people?

Maybe I just think that arming Ukraine was another way to end the war and end Putin's power in Russia.

FIDO_Ags said:

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You can take that question and shove it. This is a board where we discuss opinions. You know I'm all over these Ukraine threads so try harder or get ignored.

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Wow, take a question and shove it? Because you have no answer whatsoever?

Sorry to hit a sore spot with you. Here is a link to Z's series on Netflix to brighten your day.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80119382?source=imdb&fromWatch=true

Is this trying harder?

He's doing lots of things that every American should unquestionably support. Instead, they criticize him for meaningless things. Or just make things up to criticize him for. You can tell where people get their "news." Some are so conditioned that they find fault with every single thing he does.

I have no doubt that if he cured cancer, they'd lambast him for putting pharma and medical workers out of their jobs. It is completely irrational and childish.

And that is not based in reality. Short of giving them nukes, Ukraine will never, ever, in a thousand years drive Russia out. It is impossible.

We live in the real world. That is fantasyland. But I guess I understand why you're upset at Trump. He can't do the impossible. Shame on him.

FIDO_Ags said:

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If "whatabouts" are all you got, you got nothing.

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Again..."got nothing" would be the entire DNC. EXAMPLES - Jefferies, Schuler, Newsom, Walz, Kamala, Salwell, Schiff, Abrams, Biden, Sanders, Warren, Mandami, on and on and on. ALL INCAPABLE, FECKLESS LOSERS.

One more time...come back if/when you have some/anything close to some stroke in the big boy's game.

Oh...oh...oh, I forgot AOC, Crockett, Ohmar, Hillary and the list goes on. Wow the DNC is a LOSER magnet!!!!

More whatabouts.

Enjoy your Saturday..

flown-the-coop said:

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Not sure why, but I continue to be amazed, perplexed by folks so eager to demean, degrade, dismiss Trump that they are willing to suffer endless wars, rampant crime, open borders, and being a giant ***** on the world stage.

Trump is doing more work in the past 200 days than any other POTUS has done over that time period. And ALL OF IT is making America and the world a better place.

Starting to thing TDS may be broader than Trump. It seems there are a group of people who are unhappy with all things in life regarding work and responsibility and want to gravitate to the coddling of MSM, DNC handouts, and Swift-Kelce updates.

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These people are absolutely broken and they know if they ever confronted the fact they are dead ass wrong the cognitive dissonance would likely cause a mental collapse.

They simply can't have their worldview shattered. Their smug egos will not allow it.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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What can Trump do that you won't complain about? What Would Biden Do?

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I'm certainly not a Biden fan at all. I don't think he handled it very well at all. He's the one that really had a chance to turn the tide of the war but he gave Ukraine too little too late. I just want Trump to put his money where his mouth is. I don't think he's going to be able to stop this war just by running his mouth. I think we've already seen that. Are you going to argue that he didn't say he'd stop it as soon as he was elected President? This for me doesn't have a thing to do with Democrats or Republicans. To answer your question, end the war in a way that doesn't sh#t all over the country that was invaded.

FIDO_Ags said:

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More whatabouts.

Enjoy your Saturday..

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Unlike the losers on here...I'm enjoying the heck out of it. Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm WAY AHEAD of ya.

FIDO_Ags said:

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You can take that question and shove it. This is a board where we discuss opinions. You know I'm all over these Ukraine threads so try harder or get ignored.

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Sooner or later subjective opinion meets reality.

You have 2 good choices. Run for office, or vote.

As of right now I'm pleased with the restraint of the USA in the whole process, and I believe good work is being done behind the scenes to prevent global war for the time being.

china, russia, and others provoke while we simply flex military muscle & watch them blink. When it comes time for war, the USA will be ready, provided democrats/liberals/socialists/neo-marxists etc. don't degrade the country into a state that is no longer capable of responding to threats.

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Old McDonald said:

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Rockdoc said:

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If Trump had been president this meeting wouldn't even be necessary and you know it.

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trump is president and russian aggression against ukraine has only intensified since he was inaugurated. it's time to dispense with this talking point.

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Putin disagrees with you. Putin literally said that had Trump been President, there would not have been a war.

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And we're supposed to believe him? That's just a case of Putin buttering Trump's ass. If it were actually true, this war would have been over on 1/20/2025.

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Why should I believe you over him. How do you know he was lying? Can you read Putin's mind? Are you smarter than Putin or something?

At any rate, it is definitely not "time to dispense with this talking point."

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNY6YpJyAkd/?igsh=ZmU4a3NrdWVueW80

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FlyRod said:

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The Soviets were experts at taking advantage of weak American presidents (Carter). Reagan was a master of turning that around. It's disturbing that another American president has decided to take the Carter path even as 2025 Russia is significantly weaker than 1970s Soviet Union. Makes little sense in the abstract.

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I too remember the days of Jimmy Carter having a B-52 bomber flown right over the head of the enemy on the way into discuss diplomacy that only the other worst president in history allowed to happen and did nothing about except send my (and maybe yours if you have a job) tax dollars repeatedly to another country of which neither should involve us.

Absolute clown post.

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I'm sure Putin was quaking in his loafers getting buzzed by aircraft he knows will never be used against him.

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Question:

Is Putin dumb enough to use nukes on Ukraine? Would he "never" do that.

Because you throw the word "never" around pretty loosely.

TresPuertas said:

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if anyone can tell me one single detail of what was discussed in this meeting I'd love to hear it.

it's insane that both sides on this board are claiming victory for the meeting when nobody knows a single detail that was discussed.

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Ok.

Here's a detail:

Putin said that there never would have been a war in Ukraine had Biden not been coronated president.

Old McDonald said:

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BusterAg said:

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Putin disagrees with you. Putin literally said that had Trump been President, there would not have been a war.

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putin is full of **** and always has been

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Thanks for the research Professor X.

Lying about that makes Putin look weak. I guess he is afraid of Trump, and that is why he admitted as much.

What's funny is that there is a way to rudely spit in someone's face, like physically assaulting them with your saliva, and then there is the socially acceptable way of spitting in someone's face, like inviting them to the part of our country that used to belong to you and no longer does, and buzzing you with a B-2 bomber as you approach the stage.

Apparently, grin-****ing Putin before a peace negotiation is too kind of a welcome for him to some people.

FIDO_Ags said:

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You are correct, he just keeps kicking them down the road. I believe the term you're looking for is feckless.

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Yep.

Feckless.

There is no way that Trump and his supporters could have pulled off the Abraham Accords the way that Biden did.

will25u said:

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BREAKING: President Trump says Russia and Ukraine will go directly to a peace agreement instead of a ceasefire.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) August 16, 2025

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This seems like progress.

aginlakeway said:

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will25u said:

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BREAKING: President Trump says Russia and Ukraine will go directly to a peace agreement instead of a ceasefire.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) August 16, 2025

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This seems like progress.

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That's how I take it…make no mistake…it's tenuous at best…but Trump at least seems to think he has enough data from all parties to broker a peace deal…

The next week or so will be interesting…

FIDO_Ags said:

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Thanks for the article. And no, I get no pleasure from it. I just want Trump to back up what he says since that is all Putin understands. If he took the time to bring him to Alaska, he had the home field advantage to clearly outline the US position and the implications of not meeting them now. This isn't the first time Putin has done this. It's classic KGB/Russian geopolitics.

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Dude, the weekend isn't even over yet and the next step of the negotiations are already set.

Sorry that Trump didn't realize he was late in getting his diplomacy homework done in time to meet the FIDO deadline.

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aginlakeway said:

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will25u said:

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BREAKING: President Trump says Russia and Ukraine will go directly to a peace agreement instead of a ceasefire.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) August 16, 2025

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This seems like progress.

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That's how I take it…make no mistake…it's tenuous at best…but Trump at least seems to think he has enough data from all parties to broker a peace deal…

The next week or so will be interesting…

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Yep. I suspect this will get done. But Trump will still get criticized ...

FIDO_Ags said:

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Hardly a lib, but if that makes you feel better, so be it.

This war was going on during the campaign and for the last 6 months and Trump ran his mouth about ending it during the campaign. This isn't business which is all Trump understands and Witcoff(sp) is in over his head. Trump himself even admitted the Putin is "tapping him along". How many more chances should Trump give him since you think this is a long process?

One man can end this war today. He needs to be convinced to take his gains and go home. Trump needs to show him that willpower.

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Trump's been kinda busy worrying about illegal immigration, illegal aliens, and middle-class jobs for the last 7 or so months.

You know, the stuff I voted for him to focus on.

Glad we are making progress, but, like, America First, man.

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FIDO_Ags said:

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Thanks for the article. And no, I get no pleasure from it. I just want Trump to back up what he says since that is all Putin understands. If he took the time to bring him to Alaska, he had the home field advantage to clearly outline the US position and the implications of not meeting them now. This isn't the first time Putin has done this. It's classic KGB/Russian geopolitics.

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Dude, the weekend isn't even over yet and the next step of the negotiations are already set.

Sorry that Trump didn't realize he was late in getting his diplomacy homework done in time to meet the FIDO deadline.

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Yep. Seems like progress to me.

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And that is not based in reality. Short of giving them nukes, Ukraine will never, ever, in a thousand years drive Russia out. It is impossible.

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Afghanistan says hello

My guess is that multiple folks inside his negotiation team believe that there is a foothold to get something done, so while I think we are far from "done deal" champagne-popping celebrations, I think, just based on what all of the key players are saying, that there's enough there to have optimism…

And, assuming a deal is finally reached, I am fully confident that one side's experts will praise it as to why it was all a great deal, and another side will poo-poo it as a colossal failure…

For me, I will be content if peace and stability can be brokered on the ground…real, tangible peace and stability…

Not sure I really care who is seen as the 'winner' and the 'loser'…

This is a bad conflict for all sides, and we need to find the off switch…enough throwing people into a meat grinder for no real gains either way…

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And that is not based in reality. Short of giving them nukes, Ukraine will never, ever, in a thousand years drive Russia out. It is impossible.

We live in the real world. That is fantasyland. But I guess I understand why you're upset at Trump. He can't do the impossible. Shame on him.

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You are bad at history. Kiev had been around for 2,000 years, and they have driven the Russians out of Ukraine multiple times.

Maybe no way in our lifetimes, but never, ever, is a long, long time.

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You can't negate battlefield gains at the negotiating table...

Ukraine lost the ground...some of it as far back as 2014. Either "officially" give it up in exchange for a future that protects what's left; or fight forever.

Either way, the US needs to stay out of it. Not our fight. Not our interests.

In spite of the hand wringers, Putin does not want to put the USSR back together. He couldn't if he wanted to by the way.

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100% accurate. Only Ukraine gets to decide when it ends and how much they get to keep.

FIDO_Ags said:

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If "whatabouts" are all you got, you got nothing.

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I brought something more than a whatabout.

BusterAg said:

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Lying about that makes Putin look weak. I guess he is afraid of Trump, and that is why he admitted as much.

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by most measures, russian attacks have intensified since trump became president. 59% YoY increase in civilians killed or injured jan-apr 2025 compared to the same period in 2024. june and july 2025 hit the highest monthly casualty totals since 2022.

putin has no fear of trump whatsoever. he knows he can flatter him, bull**** through a meeting, and continue on his merry way bombing ukraine.

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FlyRod said:

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The Soviets were experts at taking advantage of weak American presidents (Carter). Reagan was a master of turning that around. It's disturbing that another American president has decided to take the Carter path even as 2025 Russia is significantly weaker than 1970s Soviet Union. Makes little sense in the abstract.

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I too remember the days of Jimmy Carter having a B-52 bomber flown right over the head of the enemy on the way into discuss diplomacy that only the other worst president in history allowed to happen and did nothing about except send my (and maybe yours if you have a job) tax dollars repeatedly to another country of which neither should involve us.

Absolute clown post.

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I'm sure Putin was quaking in his loafers getting buzzed by aircraft he knows will never be used against him.

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Question:

Is Putin dumb enough to use nukes on Ukraine? Would he "never" do that.

Because you throw the word "never" around pretty loosely.

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He's not that dumb, and that's why he hasn't done it. He also knows that we don't have the stomach to start air strikes in Ukraine against Russian forces. So yeah, those aircraft are never getting near Russia unless they're doing high altitude surveillance to see what's going on.

aginlakeway said:

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will25u said:

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BREAKING: President Trump says Russia and Ukraine will go directly to a peace agreement instead of a ceasefire.

— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) August 16, 2025

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This seems like progress.

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That's how I take it…make no mistake…it's tenuous at best…but Trump at least seems to think he has enough data from all parties to broker a peace deal…

The next week or so will be interesting…

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Yep. I suspect this will get done. But Trump will still get criticized ...

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Of course he will.

He also will drastically reduce the crime in DC and catch heat for it, continue to deport millions that Biden let in unvetted and be called a racist and fascist and do hundreds of other things to improve the country and be called Hitler.

It's amazing.

What money? My money?

I don't give a single **** about Ukraine. Our president is being much more helpful than I think he should be. And all those who are more than happy to drain the treasury for Ukraine (while much of that money is being stolen) aren't even appreciative of his efforts.

Frankly, we should walk away and let you and John Kerry handle it.

Old McDonald said:

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Lying about that makes Putin look weak. I guess he is afraid of Trump, and that is why he admitted as much.

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by most measures, russian attacks have intensified since trump became president. 59% YoY increase in civilians killed or injured jan-apr 2025 compared to the same period in 2024. june and july 2025 hit the highest monthly casualty totals since 2022.

putin has no fear of trump whatsoever. he knows he can flatter him, bull**** through a meeting, and continue on his merry way bombing ukraine.

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Except that Putin would like a way out this if there's an exit he can live with. His military has been humiliated, and he's been able to get minimal gains in the last 18 months. His hope at the moment is to be able to fight to a stalemate long enough for the US and Europe to quit funding a proxy war. If that happens, it's game over for Ukraine.

If the deal is for Ukraine to give up some of their land to Russia, Ukraine gets backing from the US and Europe, and the sanctions against Russia are lifted, I think that is something everyone can live with.

Russia chose to leave. It was a quagmire, like when we were there.

I'm fine with that continuing in Ukraine, but they've lost territory they have no ability to take back. That wasn't really what was happening in Afghanistan with Russia or us. Zelenskyy has nothing he can do to make Russia stop. He is 100% dependent on someone from the outside putting a stip to it. Thats not bargaining power.