My kids also had three choices at 18: College, military or the homeless shelter.

flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

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Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

Get Off My Lawn said:

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There's just no end to the treacherous policies to be reverse, is there?

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And if it can be easily reversed in this administration, this reversal can just as easily be reversed in the next Dem one.

Again, aside from Twitter likes, Podcasts, and preening in front of cameras, what good are congressional politicians, on BOTH sides, for?

infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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21 year olds are not kids.

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My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

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I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

infinity ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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MookieBlaylock said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

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My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

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sounds like a you issue

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possible. I'm just telling you what I feel about it right now. He can start a full time job but not sure he can manage with no elders in the country. Who knows.

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All nine of my kids were out and on their own at 21.

Why can't your kid do the same?

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Maybe he can.
But what happened is all you Boomers got us into a a terrible economy with your mismanagement and with all our jobs sold out to low-cost foreigners so that you all could pad your 401ks. He goes to a Top 5 US university for Computer Science, but it still is a struggle to get a job even though he had several internships at several known companies. All his peers are having the same problem. This summer, he's doing 2 internships at the same time - one in the office and one remotely, so he is busy all the time.

So when he gets a job which hopefully should happen in some months, he will be out on his own. Until then I will support him.

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I'm not a boomer...

infinity ag said:

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flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

---

Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

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Oh horse*****

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Maybe not the absolute perfect job they think they deserve, like CEO of the company as a new hire, though...

Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

---

Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

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Oh horse*****

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Maybe not the absolute perfect job they think they deserve, like CEO of the company as a new hire, though...

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Yes, Dairy Queen server jobs. That is where so many of our American kids end up and then struggle throughout their lives while foreign kids/immigrant kids who have their parents support them until much older ages become doctors, engineers, lawyers etc. Our kids graduate with debt, their kids do not. Which is why they can take more career risk and get ahead, while ours are wondering about next month's rent.

PS: I have not met a single kid who thought he should be CEO as a new hire in a company. Has anyone? Some think they know how to do things better, but not CEO.

DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

---

My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

---

I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

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You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

I am doing the same for my kids. I paid everything (tuition, room and board) for my son through 3.5 years of college. Everything. I told him to focus on getting the right skills to get a job in his field. He will graduate with zero debt and I hope he will use the situation to be aggressive and take risks that he needs to without being saddled with debt and needing to play it safe. In addition, we gifted him some money which I invested and its grown nicely over 3 years. Downside of this approach is he will never get the experience of working in jobs like delivery, waiter, bagger, customer service, etc which I had done during school. You have to pick and can't do everything.

deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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damm you might want tell your local police force this, since it they do it daily every day in this country.

infinity ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

---

Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

---

Oh horse*****

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Maybe not the absolute perfect job they think they deserve, like CEO of the company as a new hire, though...

---

Yes, Dairy Queen server jobs. That is where so many of our American kids end up and then struggle throughout their lives while foreign kids/immigrant kids who have their parents support them until much older ages become doctors, engineers, lawyers etc. Our kids graduate with debt, their kids do not. Which is why they can take more career risk and get ahead, while ours are wondering about next month's rent.

PS: I have not met a single kid who thought he should be CEO as a new hire in a company. Has anyone? Some think they know how to do things better, but not CEO.

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We just hired 3 software engineers in the past 6 months...

Getting ready to hire another one.

Those jobs do exist.

infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

---

My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

---

I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

---

You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

---

Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

---

Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

---

Oh horse*****

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Maybe not the absolute perfect job they think they deserve, like CEO of the company as a new hire, though...

---

Yes, Dairy Queen server jobs. That is where so many of our American kids end up and then struggle throughout their lives while foreign kids/immigrant kids who have their parents support them until much older ages become doctors, engineers, lawyers etc. Our kids graduate with debt, their kids do not. Which is why they can take more career risk and get ahead, while ours are wondering about next month's rent.

PS: I have not met a single kid who thought he should be CEO as a new hire in a company. Has anyone? Some think they know how to do things better, but not CEO.

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We just hired 3 software engineers in the past 6 months...

Getting ready to hire another one.

Those jobs do exist.

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My friend, just because you hired 3 sw engrs doesn't mean that the overall market is anywhere near good. I am happy you work for a well managed company that is hiring. However the job market in the US is terrible as a whole for Americans. It seems to be good if you work for an Indian company as they get all the contracts these days.

My kid will switch gears from internship to perm job search soon so let's see how things pan out.

whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

---

My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

---

I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

---

You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

---

Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

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You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

---

My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

---

I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

---

You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

---

Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

---

You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

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The us is now a service industry. We outsourced manufacturing and that was bad. The whole bring back our manufacturing jobs and America first has also been proven to be an absolute con job by Vance and Trump, they want all us "high cost employees" to be replaced by the lowest bidder. As we are now outsourcing service, the boomers who are seeing an increased 5% returns in their portfolio have their eyes all wide that they made an extra 100k off that, but they don't realize this is what they are leaving their future generations with. Is increasing the return on your stocks for 100k vs 75k a year worth this future for your kids? Most will tell you they don't care lol and they "vote for their best interests", so selfish

whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

---

My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

---

I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

---

You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

---

Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

---

You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

---

The us is now a service industry. We outsourced manufacturing and that was bad. The whole bring back our manufacturing jobs and America first has also been proven to be an absolute con job by Vance and Trump, they want all us "high cost employees" to be replaced by the lowest bidder. As we are now outsourcing service, the boomers who are seeing an increased 5% returns in their portfolio have their eyes all wide that they made an extra 100k off that, but they don't realize this is what they are leaving their future generations with. Is increasing the return on your stocks for 100k vs 75k a year worth this future for your kids? Most will tell you they don't care lol and they "vote for their best interests", so selfish

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Nicely put - yes, I think the US is now a service industry.
I don't know where we are heading to be honest, I watch foreign media and Indian TV and youtube channels are crowing about how the US is now screwed from the tariffs. No one knows, let's see them play out. Maybe they are just afraid and projecting.

Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier. Yes, they got a bump on their 401k and IRA but ruined the country for our kids. We have no option but to join the group and become investors in order to survive. I make way more as an investor than in my jobs and I am in tech.

When we outsource carelessly, we lose capability over time and give foreigners leverage to use against us. China shows us the finger because we cannot make anything. India shows us the finger because we cannot write code anymore without their help. Everyone is laughing at what dunderheads we are over decades.

I have no answers, let's see where we end up.

infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

---

My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

---

I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

---

You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

---

Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

---

You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

---

The us is now a service industry. We outsourced manufacturing and that was bad. The whole bring back our manufacturing jobs and America first has also been proven to be an absolute con job by Vance and Trump, they want all us "high cost employees" to be replaced by the lowest bidder. As we are now outsourcing service, the boomers who are seeing an increased 5% returns in their portfolio have their eyes all wide that they made an extra 100k off that, but they don't realize this is what they are leaving their future generations with. Is increasing the return on your stocks for 100k vs 75k a year worth this future for your kids? Most will tell you they don't care lol and they "vote for their best interests", so selfish

---

Nicely put - yes, I think the US is now a service industry.
I don't know where we are heading to be honest, I watch foreign media and Indian TV and youtube channels are crowing about how the US is now screwed from the tariffs. No one knows, let's see them play out. Maybe they are just afraid and projecting.

Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier. Yes, they got a bump on their 401k and IRA but ruined the country for our kids. We have no option but to join the group and become investors in order to survive. I make way more as an investor than in my jobs and I am in tech.

When we outsource carelessly, we lose capability over time and give foreigners leverage to use against us. China shows us the finger because we cannot make anything. India shows us the finger because we cannot write code anymore without their help. Everyone is laughing at what dunderheads we are over decades.

I have no answers, let's see where we end up.

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Agreed, you must be an investor or you're toast, most Americans cant invest. Tough to say what most of the country will look like 30 years from now, but not super positive. Im in medicine so right now none of that is a threat (for now), will work contract gigs first couple years out and invest 80-90% of that, that's the only way you can win is if you stash away money on the assets, because who knows how much actual work will pay down the line

infinity ag said:

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Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier.

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How many boomer CEOs/politicians were there in the '70s and earlier? Most boomers were in their early 20s or younger.

Boomer is such a lazy label. What does it really mean in this context? "Anyone older than me?"

Almost like the last 20 years of yelling "those lazy millenials?"

whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

---

21 year olds are not kids.

---

My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

---

I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

---

You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

---

Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

---

You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

---

The us is now a service industry. We outsourced manufacturing and that was bad. The whole bring back our manufacturing jobs and America first has also been proven to be an absolute con job by Vance and Trump, they want all us "high cost employees" to be replaced by the lowest bidder. As we are now outsourcing service, the boomers who are seeing an increased 5% returns in their portfolio have their eyes all wide that they made an extra 100k off that, but they don't realize this is what they are leaving their future generations with. Is increasing the return on your stocks for 100k vs 75k a year worth this future for your kids? Most will tell you they don't care lol and they "vote for their best interests", so selfish

---

Nicely put - yes, I think the US is now a service industry.
I don't know where we are heading to be honest, I watch foreign media and Indian TV and youtube channels are crowing about how the US is now screwed from the tariffs. No one knows, let's see them play out. Maybe they are just afraid and projecting.

Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier. Yes, they got a bump on their 401k and IRA but ruined the country for our kids. We have no option but to join the group and become investors in order to survive. I make way more as an investor than in my jobs and I am in tech.

When we outsource carelessly, we lose capability over time and give foreigners leverage to use against us. China shows us the finger because we cannot make anything. India shows us the finger because we cannot write code anymore without their help. Everyone is laughing at what dunderheads we are over decades.

I have no answers, let's see where we end up.

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Agreed, you must be an investor or you're toast, most Americans cant invest. Tough to say what most of the country will look like 30 years from now, but not super positive. Im in medicine so right now none of that is a threat (for now), will work contract gigs first couple years out and invest 80-90% of that, that's the only way you can win is if you stash away money on the assets, because who knows how much actual work will pay down the line

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In medicine working contracts means you're an RN right?

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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21 year olds are not kids.

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My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

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I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

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You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

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Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

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You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

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The us is now a service industry. We outsourced manufacturing and that was bad. The whole bring back our manufacturing jobs and America first has also been proven to be an absolute con job by Vance and Trump, they want all us "high cost employees" to be replaced by the lowest bidder. As we are now outsourcing service, the boomers who are seeing an increased 5% returns in their portfolio have their eyes all wide that they made an extra 100k off that, but they don't realize this is what they are leaving their future generations with. Is increasing the return on your stocks for 100k vs 75k a year worth this future for your kids? Most will tell you they don't care lol and they "vote for their best interests", so selfish

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Nicely put - yes, I think the US is now a service industry.
I don't know where we are heading to be honest, I watch foreign media and Indian TV and youtube channels are crowing about how the US is now screwed from the tariffs. No one knows, let's see them play out. Maybe they are just afraid and projecting.

Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier. Yes, they got a bump on their 401k and IRA but ruined the country for our kids. We have no option but to join the group and become investors in order to survive. I make way more as an investor than in my jobs and I am in tech.

When we outsource carelessly, we lose capability over time and give foreigners leverage to use against us. China shows us the finger because we cannot make anything. India shows us the finger because we cannot write code anymore without their help. Everyone is laughing at what dunderheads we are over decades.

I have no answers, let's see where we end up.

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Agreed, you must be an investor or you're toast, most Americans cant invest. Tough to say what most of the country will look like 30 years from now, but not super positive. Im in medicine so right now none of that is a threat (for now), will work contract gigs first couple years out and invest 80-90% of that, that's the only way you can win is if you stash away money on the assets, because who knows how much actual work will pay down the line

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In medicine working contracts means you're an RN right?

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No I'm in residency, pgy3 in IR/DR (3 yrs left in residency). Theres some random places in Wyoming, Alaska, dakotas etc that'll pay 7-8k a day for IR if you stay for 6-10 days. Per diem diag radology as well (500-700 an hour or production based ie 90 bucks a CT etc). But the GOP really wants to flood every specialty with foreign trained docs (that did not do a US residency), so who knows if the same rates will be there in 15 years.

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infinity ag said:

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Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier.

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How many boomer CEOs/politicians were there in the '70s and earlier? Most boomers were in their early 20s or younger.

Boomer is such a lazy label. What does it really mean in this context? "Anyone older than me?"

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Same with millennial, anyone younger than me.

Incorrect, at least for engineering.

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Almost like the last 20 years of yelling "those lazy millenials?"

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You might think I would disagree, but I don't. In most instances, the generational name-calling trend is counter-productive.

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Incorrect, at least for engineering.

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Most engineers I know struggle to crack 6 figures

whytho987654 said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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21 year olds are not kids.

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My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

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I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

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You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

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Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

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You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

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The us is now a service industry. We outsourced manufacturing and that was bad. The whole bring back our manufacturing jobs and America first has also been proven to be an absolute con job by Vance and Trump, they want all us "high cost employees" to be replaced by the lowest bidder. As we are now outsourcing service, the boomers who are seeing an increased 5% returns in their portfolio have their eyes all wide that they made an extra 100k off that, but they don't realize this is what they are leaving their future generations with. Is increasing the return on your stocks for 100k vs 75k a year worth this future for your kids? Most will tell you they don't care lol and they "vote for their best interests", so selfish

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Nicely put - yes, I think the US is now a service industry.
I don't know where we are heading to be honest, I watch foreign media and Indian TV and youtube channels are crowing about how the US is now screwed from the tariffs. No one knows, let's see them play out. Maybe they are just afraid and projecting.

Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier. Yes, they got a bump on their 401k and IRA but ruined the country for our kids. We have no option but to join the group and become investors in order to survive. I make way more as an investor than in my jobs and I am in tech.

When we outsource carelessly, we lose capability over time and give foreigners leverage to use against us. China shows us the finger because we cannot make anything. India shows us the finger because we cannot write code anymore without their help. Everyone is laughing at what dunderheads we are over decades.

I have no answers, let's see where we end up.

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Agreed, you must be an investor or you're toast, most Americans cant invest. Tough to say what most of the country will look like 30 years from now, but not super positive. Im in medicine so right now none of that is a threat (for now), will work contract gigs first couple years out and invest 80-90% of that, that's the only way you can win is if you stash away money on the assets, because who knows how much actual work will pay down the line

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In medicine working contracts means you're an RN right?

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No I'm in residency, pgy3 in IR/DR (3 yrs left in residency). Theres some random places in Wyoming, Alaska, dakotas etc that'll pay 7-8k a day for IR if you stay for 6-10 days. Per diem diag radology as well (500-700 an hour or production based ie 90 bucks a CT etc). But the GOP really wants to flood every specialty with foreign trained docs (that did not do a US residency), so who knows if the same rates will be there in 15 years.

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Do you really expect people to feel sorry for you based on those numbers? You definitely seem to feel quite sorry for yourself.
I also break the mold of your most recent reply above to someone else in this thread, and I think you & I are close in age. Not a brag by any means, as I'll likely never be very wealthy and I'm content with that.
Seems like you're jealous of the boomers more so than anything else to be honest. You seem to have very high expectations for the life you deserve to live.

deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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I would not call a 21 year old a kid.

Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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whytho987654 said:

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Aggie_Boomin 21 said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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whytho987654 said:

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infinity ag said:

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DCAggie13y said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ozzy Osbourne said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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21 year olds are not kids.

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My son turns 21 tomorrow and he seems like a kid to me. I don't think I can just leave him here and permanently move to another country if I had to.
But then maybe it is because I am not used to the idea....? Not sure what to think about this.

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I'm Gen X so maybe I'm more mature but me and my 2 sisters moved out and were on our own at 18, along with pretty much all of our friends. Parents still helped out with money from time to time but we went to college, got jobs, and moved into our own apartments.

That was a really important experience for me and shaped my ability to be an independent adult.

---

You (and I) did not have competition from foreigners when we were growing up like the kids do now. It is a different world now.

I acknowledge that your experiences were helpful but we need to do a rethink in this new world. I am sure all Asian kids have their college fees paid by their parents. They graduate with no debt and end up taking more risk and get more reward.

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Im probably 7 years or so older than your son. I have friends +/- 3 years from me, and the job market for those in engineering, finance, etc is awful right now. Tons of offshoring etc, very different world than what boomers grew up in. Then you add in inflation, decreased wages, and you have a mess of a situation

---

You are right, and there won't be changes unless our top political leadership see where we are heading and do something drastic. I have hopes with Trump and maybe Vance later on but no one else wants to bell the cat. It is not the job of corporations to do this and they will never do it (CEOs get a pass here). US pols need to step up for us.

If not, what will happen is in some decades, our "good" cities which are funded by tax dollars of the residents with jobs will experience lesser fund inflow and default. Public maintenance of infra won't happen and in some time our cities will look like 3rd world countries. We are not special in any way, the laws of economics apply to us also.


Camden, NJ


Wait... we are there already.

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The us is now a service industry. We outsourced manufacturing and that was bad. The whole bring back our manufacturing jobs and America first has also been proven to be an absolute con job by Vance and Trump, they want all us "high cost employees" to be replaced by the lowest bidder. As we are now outsourcing service, the boomers who are seeing an increased 5% returns in their portfolio have their eyes all wide that they made an extra 100k off that, but they don't realize this is what they are leaving their future generations with. Is increasing the return on your stocks for 100k vs 75k a year worth this future for your kids? Most will tell you they don't care lol and they "vote for their best interests", so selfish

---

Nicely put - yes, I think the US is now a service industry.
I don't know where we are heading to be honest, I watch foreign media and Indian TV and youtube channels are crowing about how the US is now screwed from the tariffs. No one knows, let's see them play out. Maybe they are just afraid and projecting.

Boomer pols and Boomer CEOs started the domino effect from the 70s, if not earlier. Yes, they got a bump on their 401k and IRA but ruined the country for our kids. We have no option but to join the group and become investors in order to survive. I make way more as an investor than in my jobs and I am in tech.

When we outsource carelessly, we lose capability over time and give foreigners leverage to use against us. China shows us the finger because we cannot make anything. India shows us the finger because we cannot write code anymore without their help. Everyone is laughing at what dunderheads we are over decades.

I have no answers, let's see where we end up.

---

Agreed, you must be an investor or you're toast, most Americans cant invest. Tough to say what most of the country will look like 30 years from now, but not super positive. Im in medicine so right now none of that is a threat (for now), will work contract gigs first couple years out and invest 80-90% of that, that's the only way you can win is if you stash away money on the assets, because who knows how much actual work will pay down the line

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In medicine working contracts means you're an RN right?

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No I'm in residency, pgy3 in IR/DR (3 yrs left in residency). Theres some random places in Wyoming, Alaska, dakotas etc that'll pay 7-8k a day for IR if you stay for 6-10 days. Per diem diag radology as well (500-700 an hour or production based ie 90 bucks a CT etc). But the GOP really wants to flood every specialty with foreign trained docs (that did not do a US residency), so who knows if the same rates will be there in 15 years.

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Do you really expect people to feel sorry for you based on those numbers? You definitely seem to feel quite sorry for yourself.
I also break the mold of your most recent reply above to someone else in this thread, and I think you & I are close in age. Not a brag by any means, as I'll likely never be very wealthy and I'm content with that.
Seems like you're jealous of the boomers more so than anything else to be honest. You seem to have very high expectations for the life you deserve to live.

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No? I don't expect anyone to feel sorry for anyone lol, just expressing my views on a political forum. And those numbers don't mean anything to me still in residency. The whole point people are trying to make is great job opportunities are at very high risk of being taken away via H1B, offshoring, and foreign work. The medicine side is foreign trained MDs who didn't do residency in the US come in and practice for 1/10th (if that) of what American docs would- now this is all speculative and there are a lot of hurtles but a lot of republicans are supporting this, along with the H1B fiasco and offshoring.

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Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

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Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

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Oh horse*****

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Maybe not the absolute perfect job they think they deserve, like CEO of the company as a new hire, though...

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Yes, Dairy Queen server jobs. That is where so many of our American kids end up and then struggle throughout their lives while foreign kids/immigrant kids who have their parents support them until much older ages become doctors, engineers, lawyers etc. Our kids graduate with debt, their kids do not. Which is why they can take more career risk and get ahead, while ours are wondering about next month's rent.

PS: I have not met a single kid who thought he should be CEO as a new hire in a company. Has anyone? Some think they know how to do things better, but not CEO.

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We just hired 3 software engineers in the past 6 months...

Getting ready to hire another one.

Those jobs do exist.

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My friend, just because you hired 3 sw engrs doesn't mean that the overall market is anywhere near good. I am happy you work for a well managed company that is hiring. However the job market in the US is terrible as a whole for Americans. It seems to be good if you work for an Indian company as they get all the contracts these days.

My kid will switch gears from internship to perm job search soon so let's see how things pan out.

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I work for TAMUCC and those 3 SW engineers almost doubled our SW department.

The jobs are out there. Maybe your kid is looking in the wrong place. Not every job is in the perfect city with the perfect pay structure...

stallion6 said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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I would not call a 21 year old a kid.

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I would, but that's only because they're a lot younger than all my kids...

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stallion6 said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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I would not call a 21 year old a kid.

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I would, but that's only because they're a lot younger than all my kids...

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haha as you or someone said earlier, it's all relative.
To a 100 year old, a 70 year old is a kid.

infinity ag said:

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Ag with kids said:

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stallion6 said:

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deddog said:

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Separating parents from kids is not what America is about.

Just have the balls to get rid of H1s already. ( or my preference - be very selective)

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I would not call a 21 year old a kid.

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I would, but that's only because they're a lot younger than all my kids...

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haha as you or someone said earlier, it's all relative.
To a 100 year old, a 70 year old is a kid.

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I was the one who made the comment that it's Einstein's Theory of Relativity...

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I work for TAMUCC ...

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I think the important thing here is "How do you pronounce this in every day speak?".

Is it like "TAMYOUSEESEE"? Or "TAM-UCK"?

Let's get to the brass tacks, here.

Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

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Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

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Oh horse*****

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Maybe not the absolute perfect job they think they deserve, like CEO of the company as a new hire, though...

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As a white male? Good luck

Maybe we need to get rid of the H1bs to free up some jobs

samurai_science said:

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Ag with kids said:

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infinity ag said:

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flyrancher said:

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My philosophy was inherited from my father and goes like this: At the age of eighteen all kids must depart. They can go to work, to the military, or to college they help pay for, but the non-negotiable word is GO. It is a really fine policy for everyone, the parents and the kids.

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Pushing kids out at 18 made perfect sense in a 1955 economy but it does not, in a 2025 economy.

This is why American kids today are eaten alive in the job market by foreigner kids in America. Our kids are saddled with debt, have no guidance and end up taking lower paying jobs as they need to think about survival and paying rent and food. How can you take a long term view of your career with you are worrying about tomorrow and next week? Foreign kids have that taken care of by their parents and end up taking better long term decisions and making more money - all this in the US.

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Oh horse*****

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Maybe not the absolute perfect job they think they deserve, like CEO of the company as a new hire, though...

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As a white male? Good luck

Maybe we need to get rid of the H1bs to free up some jobs

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We hired 2 white males to do software here in Corpus.

Good. Now stop H1B visas AND outsourcing. We have American engineers to do that work.