Kvetch said:

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BlackGold said:

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policywonk98 said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ok you don't think hundreds of billions of dollars is a lot of money to just give away - I do. Those tax payer dollars should be spent on the tax paying American citizens… what about the rest of the points I made. Did you even look at the articles I shared since you didn't believe the validity of what I was saying? What are your thoughts on them?

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We are not just giving it away.

We've spent between 22-25 Trillion on the war on poverty since 1964.

I can assure you. The ROI on the hundreds of billions to Israel is far greater than the $25 Trillion we've spent on poverty.

If you don't understand this than you don't really understand anything about the benefits of the Israeli economic sector in numerous fields of medicine, engineering, and technology, including military R&D, and the value and necessity of the U.S. projecting economic and military power in the Middle East in a post WW2 world. First because of the Soviets and now because of the Chinese.

That's not fearmongering, that's just the reality of a world economic order that must continue to be advantageous to the economic system we represent and benefit the most from. Every single one of us benefits from it, especially all those people that we've wasted 25 Trillion on fighting the war on poverty in all the wrong ways.

This doesn't mean we haven't had trade policies and economic policies that undermined our own American workers and citizens. We absolutely have. But our economic and diplomatic policies with Israel are not part of our failures in that regard, it's either disingenuous or outright misinformation to suggest that what we've spent on Israel and how we've spent it has taken away opportunities to invest in Americans.

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I do understand. The US government is horrible at allocating and spending our tax dollars, including what we give to Israel.

Why do we have to subsidize Israel instead of letting the free-market do its thing? It should naturally flow back to the US if it is worth it.

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That makes no sense at all. You've been told multiple times how it "flows back to the US" but you're choosing to ignore the facts and operate from the point of view that we're just cutting Israel blank checks.

Our foreign aid comes with tons of strings attached. It is the whole reason we give it.

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Israel is only the 3rd largest US trading partner in the region, behind Saudi and UAE. We do double the amount of trade with UAE as we do with Israel. We also have a military base in pretty much every gulf state (Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi).

"Only ally in the Middle East" is a complete fabrication.

TXaggiesTX said:

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Israel is only the 3rd largest US trading partner in the region, behind Saudi and UAE. We do double the amount of trade with UAE as we do with Israel. We also have a military base in pretty much every gulf state (Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi).

"Only ally in the Middle East" is a complete fabrication.

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Not sure that is accurate.

Once this Iran situation is over with I'd like to see us close almost all of our bases there. Bring our boys home, what a crappy duty station.

TXaggiesTX said:

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Kvetch said:

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BlackGold said:

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policywonk98 said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ok you don't think hundreds of billions of dollars is a lot of money to just give away - I do. Those tax payer dollars should be spent on the tax paying American citizens… what about the rest of the points I made. Did you even look at the articles I shared since you didn't believe the validity of what I was saying? What are your thoughts on them?

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We are not just giving it away.

We've spent between 22-25 Trillion on the war on poverty since 1964.

I can assure you. The ROI on the hundreds of billions to Israel is far greater than the $25 Trillion we've spent on poverty.

If you don't understand this than you don't really understand anything about the benefits of the Israeli economic sector in numerous fields of medicine, engineering, and technology, including military R&D, and the value and necessity of the U.S. projecting economic and military power in the Middle East in a post WW2 world. First because of the Soviets and now because of the Chinese.

That's not fearmongering, that's just the reality of a world economic order that must continue to be advantageous to the economic system we represent and benefit the most from. Every single one of us benefits from it, especially all those people that we've wasted 25 Trillion on fighting the war on poverty in all the wrong ways.

This doesn't mean we haven't had trade policies and economic policies that undermined our own American workers and citizens. We absolutely have. But our economic and diplomatic policies with Israel are not part of our failures in that regard, it's either disingenuous or outright misinformation to suggest that what we've spent on Israel and how we've spent it has taken away opportunities to invest in Americans.

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I do understand. The US government is horrible at allocating and spending our tax dollars, including what we give to Israel.

Why do we have to subsidize Israel instead of letting the free-market do its thing? It should naturally flow back to the US if it is worth it.

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That makes no sense at all. You've been told multiple times how it "flows back to the US" but you're choosing to ignore the facts and operate from the point of view that we're just cutting Israel blank checks.

Our foreign aid comes with tons of strings attached. It is the whole reason we give it.

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Israel is only the 3rd largest US trading partner in the region, behind Saudi and UAE. We do double the amount of trade with UAE as we do with Israel. We also have a military base in pretty much every gulf state (Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi).

"Only ally in the Middle East" is a complete fabrication.

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We trade with China. Is China our ally?

nortex97 said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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Israel is only the 3rd largest US trading partner in the region, behind Saudi and UAE. We do double the amount of trade with UAE as we do with Israel. We also have a military base in pretty much every gulf state (Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi).

"Only ally in the Middle East" is a complete fabrication.

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Not sure that is accurate.

Once this Iran situation is over with I'd like to see us close almost all of our bases there. Bring our boys home, what a crappy duty station.

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Does this include those sweetheart "hey we'll give you vouchers to buy bombs and jets from American companies" deals? Not really fair to include those costs when the US taxpayer is footing the bill.

PaulsBunions said:

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nortex97 said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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Israel is only the 3rd largest US trading partner in the region, behind Saudi and UAE. We do double the amount of trade with UAE as we do with Israel. We also have a military base in pretty much every gulf state (Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi).

"Only ally in the Middle East" is a complete fabrication.

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Not sure that is accurate.

Once this Iran situation is over with I'd like to see us close almost all of our bases there. Bring our boys home, what a crappy duty station.

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Does this include those sweetheart "hey we'll give you vouchers to buy bombs and jets from American companies" deals? Not really fair to include those costs when the US taxpayer is footing the bill.

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We import more than we ship them. We provide about $3.8 billion/year in 'military aid.' We also benevolently send about $200 million a year to the Saudis fyi. I dunno, but I doubt we import many finished goods from the UAE/Saudi/Egypt also, so comparing the trade balance is tough to really see how Israel is a less significant trading partner.

I again would favor ending all foreign aid. There are plenty of ways for people who are interested in doing so to donate their own money to foreigners.

Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?

Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

Kvetch said:

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TXaggiesTX said:

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Kvetch said:

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BlackGold said:

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policywonk98 said:

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BlackGold said:

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Ok you don't think hundreds of billions of dollars is a lot of money to just give away - I do. Those tax payer dollars should be spent on the tax paying American citizens… what about the rest of the points I made. Did you even look at the articles I shared since you didn't believe the validity of what I was saying? What are your thoughts on them?

---

We are not just giving it away.

We've spent between 22-25 Trillion on the war on poverty since 1964.

I can assure you. The ROI on the hundreds of billions to Israel is far greater than the $25 Trillion we've spent on poverty.

If you don't understand this than you don't really understand anything about the benefits of the Israeli economic sector in numerous fields of medicine, engineering, and technology, including military R&D, and the value and necessity of the U.S. projecting economic and military power in the Middle East in a post WW2 world. First because of the Soviets and now because of the Chinese.

That's not fearmongering, that's just the reality of a world economic order that must continue to be advantageous to the economic system we represent and benefit the most from. Every single one of us benefits from it, especially all those people that we've wasted 25 Trillion on fighting the war on poverty in all the wrong ways.

This doesn't mean we haven't had trade policies and economic policies that undermined our own American workers and citizens. We absolutely have. But our economic and diplomatic policies with Israel are not part of our failures in that regard, it's either disingenuous or outright misinformation to suggest that what we've spent on Israel and how we've spent it has taken away opportunities to invest in Americans.

---

I do understand. The US government is horrible at allocating and spending our tax dollars, including what we give to Israel.

Why do we have to subsidize Israel instead of letting the free-market do its thing? It should naturally flow back to the US if it is worth it.

---

That makes no sense at all. You've been told multiple times how it "flows back to the US" but you're choosing to ignore the facts and operate from the point of view that we're just cutting Israel blank checks.

Our foreign aid comes with tons of strings attached. It is the whole reason we give it.

---

Israel is only the 3rd largest US trading partner in the region, behind Saudi and UAE. We do double the amount of trade with UAE as we do with Israel. We also have a military base in pretty much every gulf state (Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi).

"Only ally in the Middle East" is a complete fabrication.

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We trade with China. Is China our ally?

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Not sure what you're getting at. Economically speaking, we basically have to trade with China. The Gulf states are our allies. Qatar and Saudi are formally recognized as MNNAs (major non nato allies) and the Trump admin designated UAE as a major defense partner in 2024.

PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

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Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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Those things happen with every single military in every war in history. You can find plenty of cases of individual war crimes by Americans in all of our well documented conflicts. Using that as evidence that the Israelis are uniquely depraved is asinine.

The question is whether a war is just and the nation's tactics are within the scope of the objective. In the case of the Israeli's war against Hamas, the evidence overwhelming supports the Israeli's engagement. They go out of their way to warn civilians and have a civilian casualty rate lower than basically any modern warfare conflict in history. And that's despite Hamas using civilians as human shields.

Anyone buying into the propaganda that they're committing a "genocide" or "targeting civilians" is trying to validate a preexisting bias against Israel.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

Kvetch said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

---

Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

---

Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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Those things happen with every single military in every war in history. You can find plenty of cases of individual war crimes by Americans in all of our well documented conflicts. Using that as evidence that the Israelis are uniquely depraved is asinine.

The question is whether a war is just and the nation's tactics are within the scope of the objective. In the case of the Israeli's war against Hamas, the evidence overwhelming supports the Israeli's engagement. They go out of their way to warn civilians and have a civilian casualty rate lower than basically any modern warfare conflict in history. And that's despite Hamas using civilians as human shields.

Anyone buying into the propaganda that they're committing a "genocide" or "targeting civilians" is trying to validate a preexisting bias against Israel.

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Who said they were uniquely depraved? When a primary source says "yes we were targeting civilians" I think it is a believable source.

PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

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There's a reason Israel is being hated more and more by people that aren't Muslims (in this case Christians) in more and more countries around the world.

Even with America basically being the only reason Israel hasn't gotten wiped off the face of the earth by Muslims in the region, more and more of the world is making it very clear that because of what they're doing to Palestinians, they're going to be persona non grata.

There's plenty of videos showing this from Italy to France to Spain to Canada, and that's just the politicians. The citizens of those countries are even more vocal.

If Bibi continues in the way he's handling things, his people will have to deal with the consequences long after he and Trump are long gone.

Lot of words to say global antisemitism is returning to pre WWII levels.

There is zero reason to hold disdain for the Jewish State of Israel other than antisemitic propaganda that cherry picks history to paint the Jews as agressors.

I do not understand what the comment regarding the "Palestinians" is. We have folks who think Miriam Adelson is a Palestinian.

All countries have committed atrocities in the same of protecting their sovereign interests. How one defines and recants those atrocities is oft if not always based on individual political perspectives.

I do not believe you harbor an announce of antisemitism. Instead, I would ask you reflect on how you arrived at the conclusion that such widespread criticism of Israel and their actions is somehow most wrong.

Dupe.

No Spin Ag said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

---

I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

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There's a reason Israel is being hated more and more by people that aren't Muslims (in this case Christians) in more and more countries around the world.

Even with America basically being the only reason Israel hasn't gotten wiped off the face of the earth by Muslims in the region, more and more of the world is making it very clear that because of what they're doing to Palestinians, they're going to be persona non grata.

There's plenty of videos showing this from Italy to France to Spain to Canada, and that's just the politicians. The citizens of those countries are even more vocal.

If Bibi continues in the way he's handling things, his people will have to deal with the consequences long after he and Trump are long gone.

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At this point they probably have only 10-20 years left of undying support from the US, young Americans on both sides of the aisle clearly don't support Israel.

Supporting terror states who want to wipe out entire populations is a bit more than "disagreeing politically".

You do you. If you want to dance on that line, I am not stopping you. But I will point out comments that seem to go being pure political discourse and represent a reflection of antisemitic rhetoric that is boiling up - driven by propagandists and not individual thought.

PaulsBunions said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

---

I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

---

There's a reason Israel is being hated more and more by people that aren't Muslims (in this case Christians) in more and more countries around the world.

Even with America basically being the only reason Israel hasn't gotten wiped off the face of the earth by Muslims in the region, more and more of the world is making it very clear that because of what they're doing to Palestinians, they're going to be persona non grata.

There's plenty of videos showing this from Italy to France to Spain to Canada, and that's just the politicians. The citizens of those countries are even more vocal.

If Bibi continues in the way he's handling things, his people will have to deal with the consequences long after he and Trump are long gone.

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At this point they probably have only 10-20 years left of undying support from the US, young Americans (on twitter and Reddit) on both sides of the aisle clearly don't support Israel.

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Fixed. Like most things online, the actual anti-Israel sentiment is given outsized importance compared to how many people actually carry that view. And once they grow up and join the real world they will understand why they are a necessary ally, no matter how much grifters like Candace and Tucker say we should hate them.

PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

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Agreed. And back in this century, when a terrorist group murders 1,000+ innocent civilians it's not going to be surprising that the country they attacked does what needs to be done to eliminate them.

I'd expect the US to do the same if the cartels decided to start a war with us and hold a couple hundred Americans in Mexico.

flown-the-coop said:

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Supporting terror states who want to wipe out entire populations is a bit more than "disagreeing politically".

You do you. If you want to dance on that line, I am not stopping you. But I will point out comments that seem to go being pure political discourse and represent a reflection of antisemitic rhetoric that is boiling up - driven by propagandists and not individual thought.

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Literally who is "supporting a terror state" in this conversation. I'm talking about innocent civilians.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

---

Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

---

Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

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There's a reason Israel is being hated more and more by people that aren't Muslims (in this case Christians) in more and more countries around the world.

Even with America basically being the only reason Israel hasn't gotten wiped off the face of the earth by Muslims in the region, more and more of the world is making it very clear that because of what they're doing to Palestinians, they're going to be persona non grata.

There's plenty of videos showing this from Italy to France to Spain to Canada, and that's just the politicians. The citizens of those countries are even more vocal.

If Bibi continues in the way he's handling things, his people will have to deal with the consequences long after he and Trump are long gone.

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At this point they probably have only 10-20 years left of undying support from the US, young Americans (on twitter and Reddit) on both sides of the aisle clearly don't support Israel.

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Fixed. Like most things online, the actual anti-Israel sentiment is given outsized importance compared to how many people actually carry that view. And once they grow up and join the real world they will understand why they are a necessary ally, no matter how much grifters like Candace and Tucker say we should hate them.

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Hey you can bury your head in the sand if you wish. Ignore the polling data and pretend everybody loves Israel.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2026/04/07/negative-views-of-israel-netanyahu-continue-to-rise-among-americans-especially-young-people/

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Lot of words to say global antisemitism is returning to pre WWII levels.

There is zero reason to hold disdain for the Jewish State of Israel other than antisemitic propaganda that cherry picks history to paint the Jews as agressors.

I do not understand what the comment regarding the "Palestinians" is. We have folks who think Miriam Adelson is a Palestinian.

All countries have committed atrocities in the same of protecting their sovereign interests. How one defines and recants those atrocities is oft if not always based on individual political perspectives.

I do not believe you harbor an announce of antisemitism. Instead, I would ask you reflect on how you arrived at the conclusion that such widespread criticism of Israel and their actions is somehow most wrong.

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People against Israelis is a little bit different than Hitler, Aryans, and Nazis (the main ones during WWII) thanks to Israel not being innocent helpless people being rounded up and killed for simply existing.

Israel, over three quarters of a century later, is acting, to many, in ways that don't fit in with the Schindler's list Jews, and more with an aggressor entity intentionally targeting innocents, including children, with no regard for their lives. Throw in many videos of Israelis saying they love seeing Palestinians killed and think they should all be murdered, again, those (modern) Israelis are not the Jews of WWII, by any means.

And you're right, all countries have committed atrocities, and Israel is no different. Israel is committing atrocities. I think it's how they're doing it. Like i mentioned earlier, when they're videos of Israelis (military and average citizens) saying that they have no remorse for innocent Palestinians being targeted and killed, and then even saying they hope they're all killed, they're not being seen as a people unintentionally harming others through defensive measures, but instead, taking offensive measures to murder.

Idiots thinking Adelson is a Palestinian don't take away from what Israel's government and military is doing. And thanks to social media, the world sees it in real time and they're reacting accordingly.

I have not one ounce of antisemitism in me, be it Jews in Israel or America. Im glad you know that. I appreciate that.

I apologize for any inconsistencies. Trying to stay awake I'm a meeting that keeps interfering with F16.

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No Spin Ag said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

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Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

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There's a reason Israel is being hated more and more by people that aren't Muslims (in this case Christians) in more and more countries around the world.

Even with America basically being the only reason Israel hasn't gotten wiped off the face of the earth by Muslims in the region, more and more of the world is making it very clear that because of what they're doing to Palestinians, they're going to be persona non grata.

There's plenty of videos showing this from Italy to France to Spain to Canada, and that's just the politicians. The citizens of those countries are even more vocal.

If Bibi continues in the way he's handling things, his people will have to deal with the consequences long after he and Trump are long gone.

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At this point they probably have only 10-20 years left of undying support from the US, young Americans on both sides of the aisle clearly don't support Israel.

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I'll admit, I'm very surprised by folks on the right not supporting Israel. I think it's more because they're isolationists, so Israel is just another country taking our money, but, regardless, losing both sides of the political spectrum in America is not a good thing.

There's a religious element to that as well, it just can't be ignored. Notice a significant number of anti-Israel posters here have Latin usernames. There is a portion of Catholics that hate that Israel exists because they believe they have replaced Israel and the existence of an Israeli state is an affront to their beliefs, and in a way, to God. That is why they have sympathy for Islam in the region, because they both agree on that point.

how many airstrikes did these other "allies" make in support of the United States

these last five months?

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There's a religious element to that as well, it just can't be ignored. Notice a significant number of anti-Israel posters here have Latin usernames. There is a portion of Catholics that hate that Israel exists because they believe they have replaced Israel and the existence of an Israeli state is an affront to their beliefs, and in a way, to God. That is why they have sympathy for Islam in the region, because they both agree on that point.

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no doubt 100% of this is from simple dislike of the Jews.

regardless of the reason:

they are communists
they are capitalists
they killed Jesus
they don't accept the Latin Church
they have all the power
they have no power
they control Trump
Trump controls Bibi

Jews buy the Congress (even though Qatar and the rich Gulf Arabs spend billions to control the USA and there are 55 Muslim countries and six million Muslims in the USA today)


literally one idiot claims Kuwait and Oman and Qatar are allies of the USA when they won't even attack Iran AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN ATTACKED BY IRAN.

American aircraft are literally based and flying missions out of Israel, and Israel flew 16,000 combat missions in support of the United States.

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PaulsBunions said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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PaulsBunions said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Paul Pierce Ag said:

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Does anyone have evidence of the IDF explicitly targeting civilians with no regard for military targets (i.e. not examples of admittedly awful collateral damage as a result of striking military targets)?


Asking legitimately, I'm not personally aware of any specific instances, only of vague accusations.

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Anyone have any info regarding this question?

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Google "Operation Cast Thy Bread"

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Anything that's not from 80 years ago? Going to go out on a limb and give them some leeway considering what their people had just gone through.

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Are we suddenly not supposed to care about biological weapons used against civilians because it happened 80 years ago?

Here is something more recent.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/10/israeli-soldiers-breaking-ranks-gaza-civilians-human-shields

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Of course we're supposed to care. But considering millions of their people were systematically exterminated a few years before that I'm not going to view it the same way as say, kidnapping and murdering 1,200 civilians.

Thanks for answering the question. Sounds like a few small cases that the IDF was investigating. War is hell though. And none of those deaths would have happened if Hamas didn't start the war and refuse to surrender.

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I personally think intentionally targeting innocent civilians with biological weapons is a horrible thing to do. There shouldn't be any different ways to view it.

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There's a reason Israel is being hated more and more by people that aren't Muslims (in this case Christians) in more and more countries around the world.

Even with America basically being the only reason Israel hasn't gotten wiped off the face of the earth by Muslims in the region, more and more of the world is making it very clear that because of what they're doing to Palestinians, they're going to be persona non grata.

There's plenty of videos showing this from Italy to France to Spain to Canada, and that's just the politicians. The citizens of those countries are even more vocal.

If Bibi continues in the way he's handling things, his people will have to deal with the consequences long after he and Trump are long gone.

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At this point they probably have only 10-20 years left of undying support from the US, young Americans on both sides of the aisle clearly don't support Israel.

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I'll admit, I'm very surprised by folks on the right not supporting Israel. I think it's more because they're isolationists, so Israel is just another country taking our money, but, regardless, losing both sides of the political spectrum in America is not a good thing.

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History repeats itself, no matter how many times you say "Never forget." There will always be a target on their back.

I didn't say all Catholics, and there is pretty significant evidence on any ME thread of this. Just like there are some Evangelicals that support Israel no matter what because of how they view the Bible, there are some Catholics to oppose it because of how they view it. It's just the reasoning for how some people filter events. There is no one more convinced than when it is their view from God.

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There's a religious element to that as well, it just can't be ignored. Notice a significant number of anti-Israel posters here have Latin usernames. There is a portion of Catholics that hate that Israel exists because they believe they have replaced Israel and the existence of an Israeli state is an affront to their beliefs, and in a way, to God. That is why they have sympathy for Islam in the region, because they both agree on that point.

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Yeah, I'm not really discussing those who have always hated Israel and Jews in America long before these past few years. I have no tolerance for any kind of racism or bigotry, full stop.

I'm talking about the younger generations, who are more and more secular than religious in their views. They haven't been raised to hate Jews or Israel. The only reason they're hating Israel is because of what they're seeing happening every day on social media.

No Spin Ag said:

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Phatbob said:

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There's a religious element to that as well, it just can't be ignored. Notice a significant number of anti-Israel posters here have Latin usernames. There is a portion of Catholics that hate that Israel exists because they believe they have replaced Israel and the existence of an Israeli state is an affront to their beliefs, and in a way, to God. That is why they have sympathy for Islam in the region, because they both agree on that point.

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Yeah, I'm not really discussing those who have always hated Israel and Jews in America long before these past few years. I have no tolerance for any kind of racism or bigotry, full stop.

I'm talking about the younger generations, who are more and more secular than religious in their views. They haven't been raised to hate Jews or Israel. The only reason they're hating Israel is because of what they're seeing happening every day on social media.

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And most of what they're seeing on social media is propaganda. It like everyone is skeptical of the media until it comes to Israel. Then everything that's reported is 100% fact written in stone. War crimes and genocide.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Phatbob said:

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There's a religious element to that as well, it just can't be ignored. Notice a significant number of anti-Israel posters here have Latin usernames. There is a portion of Catholics that hate that Israel exists because they believe they have replaced Israel and the existence of an Israeli state is an affront to their beliefs, and in a way, to God. That is why they have sympathy for Islam in the region, because they both agree on that point.

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Yeah, I'm not really discussing those who have always hated Israel and Jews in America long before these past few years. I have no tolerance for any kind of racism or bigotry, full stop.

I'm talking about the younger generations, who are more and more secular than religious in their views. They haven't been raised to hate Jews or Israel. The only reason they're hating Israel is because of what they're seeing happening every day on social media.

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And most of what they're seeing on social media is propaganda. It like everyone is skeptical of the media until it come to Israel. Then everything that's reported is 100% fact written on stone. War crimes and genocide.

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I hear you.

I've made it abundantly clear that I abhor social media, but both sides love to use it daily for their "SEE, I TOLD YOU THEY'RE (fill in the blank) ARE EVIL!"

And, to be honest, each side probably has more truth than one would think.

Smoke and all.