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Browns lost 32-13 with DG spraying 35 attempts about with 2 interceptions. It feels inevitable Shadeur will see the field at some point.
Y'all see this Sunday night uni combo? It's like I'm watching 2 variety of cheeses play football.
Those Steeler uniforms were the worst I've seen
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
Faustus said:
Browns lost 32-13 with DG spraying 35 attempts about with 2 interceptions. It feels inevitable Shadeur will see the field at some point.
Never trust the Browns to do anything that seems like something that a football team would do.
Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
We're going to have a good idea whether anything like that happened since Denver is no joke on defense. They're at 36 sacks through 8 games and could break the sack record this year, the 84 Bears had 72. For comparison our defense after 7 games only has 16 sacks. We are leading the NFL with only giving up 266.9 yards/game and 14.7 points/game but we don't get to the QB nearly as much as you'd think we would with those numbers. This game scares me for Stroud and the o-line.
Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
On that, it's also got to be one of the biggest coincidences that CJ had his best game without Nico? I've really started to wonder if CJ and/or Caley have been trying to force feed Nico without any confidence in the other players before this week?
Just crazy to have this type of explosion in the passing game by CJ and your top 5 receivers are 3 rookies (Noel, Makrs, and Higgins) and 2 role players in Hutchinson and Berrios that have all barely done anything this year. I mean, even in the Baltimore game, 15 of CJ's 27 attempts went to Nico, Kirk, and Shultz. In this game Nico out, Kirk out, and Shultz had 3 targets out of CJ's 39 attempts. It was a completely different look for him.
I wonder how this will be distributed and designed going forward? Especially Noel's playing time.
Max Power said:Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
We're going to have a good idea whether anything like that happened since Denver is no joke on defense. They're at 36 sacks through 8 games and could break the sack record this year, the 84 Bears had 72. For comparison our defense after 7 games only has 16 sacks. We are leading the NFL with only giving up 266.9 yards/game and 14.7 points/game but we don't get to the QB nearly as much as you'd think we would with those numbers. This game scares me for Stroud and the o-line.
There are ways to mitigate the rush some, but your QB has to be the one that does it through identifying potential rushers and trusting your hot reads. These are two things that I've been really down on with CJ this year, and the trusting your reads is the one he can fix the most. I feel like he's waiting for guys to get completely open before throwing it because he doesn't have the trust that they will make the play. I'm really hoping this SF game can help with some of that trust with the younger players.
IrishAg said:Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
On that, it's also got to be one of the biggest coincidences that CJ had his best game without Nico? I've really started to wonder if CJ and/or Caley have been trying to force feed Nico without any confidence in the other players before this week?
Just crazy to have this type of explosion in the passing game by CJ and your top 5 receivers are 3 rookies (Noel, Makrs, and Higgins) and 2 role players in Hutchinson and Berrios that have all barely done anything this year. I mean, even in the Baltimore game, 15 of CJ's 27 attempts went to Nico, Kirk, and Shultz. In this game Nico out, Kirk out, and Shultz had 3 targets out of CJ's 39 attempts. It was a completely different look for him.
I wonder how this will be distributed and designed going forward? Especially Noel's playing time.
You know I was thinking the same thing. At least part of it has to be a total lack of a scouting report on several guys for the 49ers defense. But I have to wonder if maybe the guys who played yesterday are all guys killing it in practice with the new system while others , maybe even Nico, aren't, and this as their opportunity to show it in a game. There were so many quick hitters that were crisp throws. It was like the Seattle game never happened.
CharleyKerfeld said:IrishAg said:Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
On that, it's also got to be one of the biggest coincidences that CJ had his best game without Nico? I've really started to wonder if CJ and/or Caley have been trying to force feed Nico without any confidence in the other players before this week?
Just crazy to have this type of explosion in the passing game by CJ and your top 5 receivers are 3 rookies (Noel, Makrs, and Higgins) and 2 role players in Hutchinson and Berrios that have all barely done anything this year. I mean, even in the Baltimore game, 15 of CJ's 27 attempts went to Nico, Kirk, and Shultz. In this game Nico out, Kirk out, and Shultz had 3 targets out of CJ's 39 attempts. It was a completely different look for him.
I wonder how this will be distributed and designed going forward? Especially Noel's playing time.
You know I was thinking the same thing. At least part of it has to be a total lack of a scouting report on several guys for the 49ers defense. But I have to wonder if maybe the guys who played yesterday are all guys killing it in practice with the new system while others , maybe even Nico, aren't, and this as their opportunity to show it in a game. There were so many quick hitters that were crisp throws. It was like the Seattle game never happened.
Yeah agree, and to the point I made in the other post, maybe this just forced CJ to trust these guys. I mean he always seemed to trust Tank the most, then Nico because of his relationships with them. Add that to the fact that he didn't have a lot of reps with anyone this summer because of whatever was going on, and this just might have been a forced trust build moment.
Hopefully they build on it moving forward, because if he trusts a lot of these guys to be where he expects, then we can overcome a lot of the OL shortcomings. But it has to be CJ doing that.
Cynic said:
Those Steeler uniforms were the worst I've seen
The good thing about the Texans in this case is we don't ever have to worry about seeing them in some gawd-awful uniform from the olden days.
IrishAg said:CharleyKerfeld said:IrishAg said:Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
On that, it's also got to be one of the biggest coincidences that CJ had his best game without Nico? I've really started to wonder if CJ and/or Caley have been trying to force feed Nico without any confidence in the other players before this week?
Just crazy to have this type of explosion in the passing game by CJ and your top 5 receivers are 3 rookies (Noel, Makrs, and Higgins) and 2 role players in Hutchinson and Berrios that have all barely done anything this year. I mean, even in the Baltimore game, 15 of CJ's 27 attempts went to Nico, Kirk, and Shultz. In this game Nico out, Kirk out, and Shultz had 3 targets out of CJ's 39 attempts. It was a completely different look for him.
I wonder how this will be distributed and designed going forward? Especially Noel's playing time.
You know I was thinking the same thing. At least part of it has to be a total lack of a scouting report on several guys for the 49ers defense. But I have to wonder if maybe the guys who played yesterday are all guys killing it in practice with the new system while others , maybe even Nico, aren't, and this as their opportunity to show it in a game. There were so many quick hitters that were crisp throws. It was like the Seattle game never happened.
Yeah agree, and to the point I made in the other post, maybe this just forced CJ to trust these guys. I mean he always seemed to trust Tank the most, then Nico because of his relationships with them. Add that to the fact that he didn't have a lot of reps with anyone this summer because of whatever was going on, and this just might have been a forced trust build moment.
Hopefully they build on it moving forward, because if he trusts a lot of these guys to be where he expects, then we can overcome a lot of the OL shortcomings. But it has to be CJ doing that.
Wasn't like 2/3 of the 49ers defense hurt as well? Sure that helped
gougler08 said:IrishAg said:CharleyKerfeld said:IrishAg said:Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
On that, it's also got to be one of the biggest coincidences that CJ had his best game without Nico? I've really started to wonder if CJ and/or Caley have been trying to force feed Nico without any confidence in the other players before this week?
Just crazy to have this type of explosion in the passing game by CJ and your top 5 receivers are 3 rookies (Noel, Makrs, and Higgins) and 2 role players in Hutchinson and Berrios that have all barely done anything this year. I mean, even in the Baltimore game, 15 of CJ's 27 attempts went to Nico, Kirk, and Shultz. In this game Nico out, Kirk out, and Shultz had 3 targets out of CJ's 39 attempts. It was a completely different look for him.
I wonder how this will be distributed and designed going forward? Especially Noel's playing time.
You know I was thinking the same thing. At least part of it has to be a total lack of a scouting report on several guys for the 49ers defense. But I have to wonder if maybe the guys who played yesterday are all guys killing it in practice with the new system while others , maybe even Nico, aren't, and this as their opportunity to show it in a game. There were so many quick hitters that were crisp throws. It was like the Seattle game never happened.
Yeah agree, and to the point I made in the other post, maybe this just forced CJ to trust these guys. I mean he always seemed to trust Tank the most, then Nico because of his relationships with them. Add that to the fact that he didn't have a lot of reps with anyone this summer because of whatever was going on, and this just might have been a forced trust build moment.
Hopefully they build on it moving forward, because if he trusts a lot of these guys to be where he expects, then we can overcome a lot of the OL shortcomings. But it has to be CJ doing that.
Wasn't like 2/3 of the 49ers defense hurt as well? Sure that helped
Of course that helped, I don't think anyone was saying otherwise? But that's the first time CJ has thrown for over 300 in a year. So something had to have changed in his approach, since we haven't been playing world beaters in every single game since then?
So just talking about what could have changed, because even though most Texans fans don't believe it, teams can still play average to good offense even with crap o-lines. Hell look at Tampa earlier in the year before they broke all their receivers. They were missing both starting tackles and their best guard when they played us and others, and they could still move the ball, score points, play good defense, win games, and are near the top of the NFC.
Oh no doubt, I was meaning more that he could trust the WRs to be in spots/open because the 49ers defense was decimated. If they show continued improvement next week against a very good Broncos D (that will likely be in his face constantly) then I'll be pretty impressed and hopefully means we have it figured out
IMO Caley (maybe Stroud too) just didn't trust the young WRs. It was incredibly frustrating to watch Higgins and Noel get one target a game, make the most of that target, then disappear the rest of the game.
Now with Nico out this week they didn't have a choice but to get them the ball and they stepped up.
Hopefully this now opens things up and they start dialing up plays for these guys.
Now with Nico out this week they didn't have a choice but to get them the ball and they stepped up.
Hopefully this now opens things up and they start dialing up plays for these guys.
I think if you go back and watch Seattle tape, the route concepts weren't too different than this week. CJ wasn't seeing or making the throws. CJ didn't practice much of the offseason and it'd be impossible to build chemistry.
Nico and Kirk being out forced his hand, and I think it's a harbinger of more to come.
Nico and Kirk being out forced his hand, and I think it's a harbinger of more to come.
gougler08 said:
Oh no doubt, I was meaning more that he could trust the WRs to be in spots/open because the 49ers defense was decimated. If they show continued improvement next week against a very good Broncos D (that will likely be in his face constantly) then I'll be pretty impressed and hopefully means we have it figured out
True, although I'll scale expectations accordingly after watch the Broncos defense dismantle the cowboys.
Texan_Aggie said:
I think if you go back and watch Seattle tape, the route concepts weren't too different than this week. CJ wasn't seeing or making the throws. CJ didn't practice much of the offseason and it'd be impossible to build chemistry.
Nico and Kirk being out forced his hand, and I think it's a harbinger of more to come.
I'll agree, I re-watched some of it, and there were moments when Stroud had opportunities to throw but panicked instead. Hopefully this will allow him to make quicker decisions and keep that pass rush at bay as much as he can.
Texans need to finish out 7-3 to have a realistic shot at the playoffs. Stealing one against a good Denver team this week would be huge considering we still have to play Bills, Colts (x2), Chiefs, and Chargers down the stretch.
ruxin98 said:
Bills, Colts (x2), Chiefs, and Chargers down the stretch.
Surtain reportedly to IR, that should help on Sunday
IrishAg said:Texan_Aggie said:
Big game this week. 4-4 going into a home game against the Jags is ideal.
Caley seemed like he clicked today. Realizing that he should just call plays that fit our guys. Let's hope it's not an anomaly, but 3 of last 4 isn't bad…
On that, it's also got to be one of the biggest coincidences that CJ had his best game without Nico? I've really started to wonder if CJ and/or Caley have been trying to force feed Nico without any confidence in the other players before this week?
Just crazy to have this type of explosion in the passing game by CJ and your top 5 receivers are 3 rookies (Noel, Makrs, and Higgins) and 2 role players in Hutchinson and Berrios that have all barely done anything this year. I mean, even in the Baltimore game, 15 of CJ's 27 attempts went to Nico, Kirk, and Shultz. In this game Nico out, Kirk out, and Shultz had 3 targets out of CJ's 39 attempts. It was a completely different look for him.
I wonder how this will be distributed and designed going forward? Especially Noel's playing time.
I don't think it's Caley, I think Nico has done so many things to bail out CJ that it's gotten him looking for Nico too often. Stroud's best games are when he distributes the ball all over the field to different receivers. That's also the best way to attack the defense as a QB. Schaub's downfall was ultimately when he got too predictable in going to Johnson first, Daniels second, and then dumping to the sidelines third, he turned into a paint by numbers QB. By losing Collins Stroud has to get the other guys involved and we have solid young WR talent, the more comfortable he gets throwing to them the better it is for the entire team.
The Colts are pretty locked in for the playoffs/division title already at 7-1, but they are also really benefitting from an easy schedule.
Of their 7 wins, they've beaten 2-6 MIami, the 1-7 Titans (twice), the 2-5 Raiders, and the 2-5 Cardinals. Their legit wins are by 1 point over Denver and 14 over the Chargers, although i don't think the Chargers are very good despite their record.
Unfortunately for the Texans, things stay pretty soft for the Colts. They have 4-3 Pittsburgh and 3-4 Atlanta next , then a bye, then finally a tough stretch of @ KC, home for Houston, @ Jax, @ Seattle, home for San Fran, @ Jax, @ Houston.
Jacksonville seems on the verge of total exposure, so you sort of hope the Colts sweep them so the Texans can pass them in the standings.
Current AFC playoff picture is:
1. Indy
2. New England
3. Denver
4. Pittsburgh - taking the Texans' traditional "I can't believe this group of clowns is getting the 4 seed" spot
5. Buffalo
6. Chargers
7. Chiefs
8. Jags
9. Texans
At this point the only "threat" below the Texans would be Baltimore at 2-5, everyone else is terrible or too hurt. But if Baltimore gets in, it probably means Pittsburgh is out.
For the Texans, that means getting ahead of not only Jacksonville, but also one of the top 7. That would probably mean beating the Broncos is an absolute must. They are leading the West, but you guys have seen how KC is playing the last month.
Of their 7 wins, they've beaten 2-6 MIami, the 1-7 Titans (twice), the 2-5 Raiders, and the 2-5 Cardinals. Their legit wins are by 1 point over Denver and 14 over the Chargers, although i don't think the Chargers are very good despite their record.
Unfortunately for the Texans, things stay pretty soft for the Colts. They have 4-3 Pittsburgh and 3-4 Atlanta next , then a bye, then finally a tough stretch of @ KC, home for Houston, @ Jax, @ Seattle, home for San Fran, @ Jax, @ Houston.
Jacksonville seems on the verge of total exposure, so you sort of hope the Colts sweep them so the Texans can pass them in the standings.
Current AFC playoff picture is:
1. Indy
2. New England
3. Denver
4. Pittsburgh - taking the Texans' traditional "I can't believe this group of clowns is getting the 4 seed" spot
5. Buffalo
6. Chargers
7. Chiefs
8. Jags
9. Texans
At this point the only "threat" below the Texans would be Baltimore at 2-5, everyone else is terrible or too hurt. But if Baltimore gets in, it probably means Pittsburgh is out.
For the Texans, that means getting ahead of not only Jacksonville, but also one of the top 7. That would probably mean beating the Broncos is an absolute must. They are leading the West, but you guys have seen how KC is playing the last month.
This weekend will be probably be the signal to let us know if we're going to sneak in or not. Even if we don't beat the Broncos, but it's insanely close and the offense shows signs of taking that next step, I can see us maybe getting on a run to finish the season (where while still improbably, we would have a chance). If the offense looks clueless again, then yeah we're not going to get in with our schedule left. And the question will be what changes need to be made going into next year.
Even though they've had an insanely weak schedule, I still can't believe how good Daniel Jones has looked with Indy. He is a legit MVP candidate right now, which is crazy considering most of the talking heads thought the Colts would be cooked if they had to go to Danny Dimes. I never thought he was as bad as the Giants made him out to be, but could never have guessed this.
Although, maybe it's just that type of year, because I also didn't have on my bingo card Drake Maye being one of the best QBs in the NFL either (considering the talent they have).
Even though they've had an insanely weak schedule, I still can't believe how good Daniel Jones has looked with Indy. He is a legit MVP candidate right now, which is crazy considering most of the talking heads thought the Colts would be cooked if they had to go to Danny Dimes. I never thought he was as bad as the Giants made him out to be, but could never have guessed this.
Although, maybe it's just that type of year, because I also didn't have on my bingo card Drake Maye being one of the best QBs in the NFL either (considering the talent they have).
After re-watching the game, what stands out to me is the lack of panic by CJ when he dropped back. Whether this is due to improved line play, poor play by the 49ers' defense, something changing for CJ after the MNF debacle or some combination of all 3 is difficult to tell, as I cannot claim to be more than a fan that has consumed way more football over the (increasingly long number of) years.
I hope that it is mostly line play and CJ's head getting right, but I suspect the opposition's poor play is a large factor.
The good news over all is that this version of CJ still exists. The question is how to bring it out consistently.
And this defense is really, really good.
I hope that it is mostly line play and CJ's head getting right, but I suspect the opposition's poor play is a large factor.
The good news over all is that this version of CJ still exists. The question is how to bring it out consistently.
And this defense is really, really good.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
Biggest factor in my opinion from this weekend was CJ got the ball out faster than he has been. OL performance was better, but he was quick and sharp which sped up the game.
Overall, no matter the pass rush, if CJ panics it's going to go bad. If he stands in there and trusts the offense will work we seem to do well. Seattle was a great example of that, they got a ton of pressure on him the first 2 drives, after that they really didn't get that much pressure on him but he would panic whenever someone was remotely close to him.
If they can just get him to trust the plays will work, this can be a good offense even with our line.
If they can just get him to trust the plays will work, this can be a good offense even with our line.
IrishAg said:
This weekend will be probably be the signal to let us know if we're going to sneak in or not. Even if we don't beat the Broncos, but it's insanely close and the offense shows signs of taking that next step, I can see us maybe getting on a run to finish the season (where while still improbably, we would have a chance). If the offense looks clueless again, then yeah we're not going to get in with our schedule left. And the question will be what changes need to be made going into next year.
Even though they've had an insanely weak schedule, I still can't believe how good Daniel Jones has looked with Indy. He is a legit MVP candidate right now, which is crazy considering most of the talking heads thought the Colts would be cooked if they had to go to Danny Dimes. I never thought he was as bad as the Giants made him out to be, but could never have guessed this.
Although, maybe it's just that type of year, because I also didn't have on my bingo card Drake Maye being one of the best QBs in the NFL either (considering the talent they have).
DJ gets so little respect that I think Jonathan Taylor might be ahead of him in the MVP race.
Which would be a little funny since a RB hasn't won MVP since 2012.
IrishAg said:
This weekend will be probably be the signal to let us know if we're going to sneak in or not. Even if we don't beat the Broncos, but it's insanely close and the offense shows signs of taking that next step, I can see us maybe getting on a run to finish the season (where while still improbably, we would have a chance). If the offense looks clueless again, then yeah we're not going to get in with our schedule left. And the question will be what changes need to be made going into next year.
Even though they've had an insanely weak schedule, I still can't believe how good Daniel Jones has looked with Indy. He is a legit MVP candidate right now, which is crazy considering most of the talking heads thought the Colts would be cooked if they had to go to Danny Dimes. I never thought he was as bad as the Giants made him out to be, but could never have guessed this.
Although, maybe it's just that type of year, because I also didn't have on my bingo card Drake Maye being one of the best QBs in the NFL either (considering the talent they have).
Indy and NE have been incredible surprises, but also shows how much getting the weaker schedule helps in the NFL
yes, the Texans have to win (at least) 2 of the 3 games vs. the AFC West contenders (Broncos, Chargers, Chiefs)
going to need the tiebreakers down the stretch
going to need the tiebreakers down the stretch
the Patriots' schedule basically remains soft for the entire season
still have 2 games left vs. the Jets plus the Bengals, Giants, and Dolphins again
still have 2 games left vs. the Jets plus the Bengals, Giants, and Dolphins again
Surtain being out certainly helps on Sunday.
Big game this weekend!
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