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Deerdude said:

OK, wrong terminology for the enlightened, it's what the field guys call it. That's who I deal with. Not the first time I've said the wrong word for the situation. My apologies.

You seem to be defending the field guys too much. If they used the term vaccine for dectomax, I would be worried about their training and knowledge. It would be like a doctor or someone in the medical field saying the shot of penicillin is a vaccine. I would find another doctor quickly!
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Meh...he's not defending anyone. He told us exactly why he said what he did. On top of that, we all knew what he meant and it really isn't a big deal. JFC.

Posters could explain what a vaccine is in a concise, educational way. No need to call out a poster so they can show everyone how much they think they know.
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Hey if I need to eat crow or whatever, so be it. I'm on the tread to learn and there's typically some great experience posting. I'm just sharing what I'm going through hoping maybe it helps someone as well. If I have to get hammered then hammer away.
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GottaRide said:

JB!98 said:

shiftyandquick said:

RGV AG said:

When we moved to the Valley in the early 80's, around 82', and for years after that you would see all the signs along the roads and such. My memory fades nowadays but I want to say that the place making the sterile fly's in Mission, it was at the old Moore Field airbase, was in operation until the mid-80's when it was all transitioned to Mexico. There were news stories and articles and I wanna say someone I grew up with had a dad involved in it.

As a kid my parents would drive back and forth from CDMX to Houston, and other parts, at least 2 to 3 times a year. On those trips there were always several agriculture checkpoints on the Mexican highways, I remember those. We usually traveled with dogs and if the check point saw the dogs in the car they would pull you over and inspect. Surprisingly enough crossing the border with dogs in the 1970's, and according to my parents in the 60's as well, was a much more formal deal, it was nothing in the 80's through the 20's. I now believe it was due to the screw worm, but I was too young to know.

There were strict quarantine areas and controls in Mexico for years (that lots of folks circumented I am sure). In the late 80's and through the 90's when I was spending a lot of time roaming around Northern Mex, and doing as much hunting and fishing as possible, I know ranchers would occasionally run into screw worm issues but they were very secretive about it as they had no faith in the MexGov to help them with it.

Where I lived in Central America it was around, and never went away completely, but it was not treated with the dire alarm that we are seeing in the U.S.. Why? I have no idea. I am not an ag man at all, so all of this is just purely observation from an unknowing point of view.

In the quarantined areas now, all transported warm-blooded animals are required to be inspected before they can leave the area. That includes pets (e.g. dogs).

I am not concerned at all about this, but this may be the place (as always) to settle this with my wife. She is concerned that we are taking our Pyrenees and Aussie to Concan next week to hang out on the river. We will be there 4 days. She is determined that the dogs have to be inspected before we can leave the county. I don't believe that to be the case in that they are not living in the county. (Unless they have a lesion or cut)

What say you TexAgs? If we have to get them inspected on the way back, we will do it, but if not, I contend that is so low risk that it is almost comical.


Concan is not in the infected zone- just the surveillance zone. No inspection is required unless leaving the infected zone.


Looks like my info was outdated. Uvalde County has a confirmed case and Concan does appear to be in the infected zone. Checkpoints are only for livestock, though. The order and what is in practice are not the same.
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GottaRide said:

GottaRide said:

JB!98 said:

shiftyandquick said:

RGV AG said:

When we moved to the Valley in the early 80's, around 82', and for years after that you would see all the signs along the roads and such. My memory fades nowadays but I want to say that the place making the sterile fly's in Mission, it was at the old Moore Field airbase, was in operation until the mid-80's when it was all transitioned to Mexico. There were news stories and articles and I wanna say someone I grew up with had a dad involved in it.

As a kid my parents would drive back and forth from CDMX to Houston, and other parts, at least 2 to 3 times a year. On those trips there were always several agriculture checkpoints on the Mexican highways, I remember those. We usually traveled with dogs and if the check point saw the dogs in the car they would pull you over and inspect. Surprisingly enough crossing the border with dogs in the 1970's, and according to my parents in the 60's as well, was a much more formal deal, it was nothing in the 80's through the 20's. I now believe it was due to the screw worm, but I was too young to know.

There were strict quarantine areas and controls in Mexico for years (that lots of folks circumented I am sure). In the late 80's and through the 90's when I was spending a lot of time roaming around Northern Mex, and doing as much hunting and fishing as possible, I know ranchers would occasionally run into screw worm issues but they were very secretive about it as they had no faith in the MexGov to help them with it.

Where I lived in Central America it was around, and never went away completely, but it was not treated with the dire alarm that we are seeing in the U.S.. Why? I have no idea. I am not an ag man at all, so all of this is just purely observation from an unknowing point of view.

In the quarantined areas now, all transported warm-blooded animals are required to be inspected before they can leave the area. That includes pets (e.g. dogs).

I am not concerned at all about this, but this may be the place (as always) to settle this with my wife. She is concerned that we are taking our Pyrenees and Aussie to Concan next week to hang out on the river. We will be there 4 days. She is determined that the dogs have to be inspected before we can leave the county. I don't believe that to be the case in that they are not living in the county. (Unless they have a lesion or cut)

What say you TexAgs? If we have to get them inspected on the way back, we will do it, but if not, I contend that is so low risk that it is almost comical.


Concan is not in the infected zone- just the surveillance zone. No inspection is required unless leaving the infected zone.


Looks like my info was outdated. Uvalde County has a confirmed case and Concan does appear to be in the infected zone. Checkpoints are only for livestock, though. The order and what is in practice are not the same.


It's all good. We are giving them another dose of Ivermectin tomorrow. I am not concerned. Just want to follow the rules.
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BrazosDog02 said:

Meh...he's not defending anyone. He told us exactly why he said what he did. On top of that, we all knew what he meant and it really isn't a big deal. JFC.

Posters could explain what a vaccine is in a concise, educational way. No need to call out a poster so they can show everyone how much they think they know.

Meh…this is hilarious. I've seen people on this board get more upset and correcting people when someone confuses a magazine from a clip, and don't use terms like cartridge, caliber, round, correctly.
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The canine dosing for ivermectin is not protective for screw worms. You'll want to have them on a ixoxolaner class drug. Credelio and Nexgaurd products have emergency use approval. Simparica and Bravecto products have studies showing efficacy as well.
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I knew exactly what you meant. No problem here my friend!
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bmfvet said:

The canine dosing for ivermectin is not protective for screw worms.

could you expound on that? Its my understanding, that the dosing for heartworm prevention is but a fraction of the dosage for treating sarcoptic mange. Both fall well short of the LD50.

Are you saying there is no safe Ivermectin dosage for effective treatment, or that the avermectin/milbemycin class of antihelminthics are totally ineffective at treating the screwworm?
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I have seen no evidence that the safe canine dosing levels of avermectin class drugs work for screw worms. The ivermectin dosing for a dog is minuscule compared to cattle dosing, and overdosing a dog with it can cause neurological problems that you don't want to mess with. Ivermectin also only will kill the L1 stage of screw worms, so it basically has to be in the animal prior to infection. In cattle, the ivermectin dose is only effective for a week, so it also needs more frequent dosing than Dectomax.

The only class of drugs recommended for dogs and cats are ixoxolaners. These are flea/tick preventatives that are either monthly or every 3 month pills. Bravecto Quantum is a 12 month injectable as well, but the only approved right now are credelio and nexguard.
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Yep.
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BrazosDog02 said:

Meh...he's not defending anyone. He told us exactly why he said what he did. On top of that, we all knew what he meant and it really isn't a big deal. JFC.

Posters could explain what a vaccine is in a concise, educational way. No need to call out a poster so they can show everyone how much they think they know.



In this instance, this isn't about how much the participant DVMs 'think they know' to use your words. We actually have the training in pharmacology / parasitology which makes reading well intentioned guys use incorrect terminology and giving uninformed recommendations such as giving the Dectomax vaccine to a dog hard to ignore. Neither is correct though we all appreciate the spirit of the advice. Only person worked up here is you BrazosDog02. I'd take correction / advise from a West Texas practitioner with 4 decades of experience anytime. This is an important issue and will be for years to come. It's high time we use science based information and even the right terminology wherever possible.
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It's high time we use science based information and even the right terminology wherever possible.

couldn't agree more. Misinformation was half the battle during the covid crisis. Id prefer to not relive that hysteria all because incorrect nomenclature is being passed around.
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My post isn't remotely about dogs but no matter. Your statement has spurred another question: Why doesn't texags have a VET tag? Doctors get it. I pay my vet a pile of money to come to my ranches and do his thing and make sure I'm getting current, experienced information for NWS and otherwise. Seems like having a way to know who is credentialed and practicing in the field right now would be handy, especially since squelching of misinformation is important.
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There will be a NWS meeting at the Harper Community Park at 6 pm Monday.
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BrazosDog02 said:

My post isn't remotely about dogs but no matter. Your statement has spurred another question: Why doesn't texags have a VET tag? Doctors get it. I pay my vet a pile of money to come to my ranches and do his thing and make sure I'm getting current, experienced information for NWS and otherwise. Seems like having a way to know who is credentialed and practicing in the field right now would be handy, especially since squelching of misinformation is important.

One of the beautiful things of the OB is the vets that will actually for free offer advice. The doctors have pulled back and many have had their tags removed because of attacks. Lawyers laugh and say "no free advice - you have to pay". Why do you want to ruin the kind vets for everyone else when you already say you pay your vet a pile of money to come to your ranches. Keep paying them and quit attacking the vets about Texags verifying "who is credentialed and practicing…" What about a retired vet? I'd be more happy to have their thoughts than a third year past vet school vet's opinion (not that they aren't knowledgeable).
 
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