Gibbons Creek???

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BrazosDog02 said:

TyHolden said:

there are 2 other locations being considered. this could just be a smoke screen to get a better deal out of those. no idea why those locations were not revealed.


When a company courts a landowner they always come with some manner of NDA or at least a "please don't discuss this with anyone". A seller wouldn't want to mention anything to neighbors for fear of losing the sale and the buyer wouldn't want that done for fear of public push back.

why was gibbons creek location let out then? the owners didn't have an NDA in place?
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Couldn't say for certain but my opinion is that it's simply more people involved. When you buy 5,000 acres from John and Betty Rancher, it's easier to keep that under wraps because they are the only two in the know. When your property is owned by a real estate investment GROUP then it's harder to do because everyone needs to talk to everyone and reference others for guidance and every time you move away from the owner, the lips get looser and looser. Plus Gibbons is very historical and high profile. We've all fished that over the years and any time that name pops up, so do all the ears.

Or it could simply be that that is the most likely option that will be selected.
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TyHolden said:

BrazosDog02 said:

TyHolden said:

there are 2 other locations being considered. this could just be a smoke screen to get a better deal out of those. no idea why those locations were not revealed.


When a company courts a landowner they always come with some manner of NDA or at least a "please don't discuss this with anyone". A seller wouldn't want to mention anything to neighbors for fear of losing the sale and the buyer wouldn't want that done for fear of public push back.

why was gibbons creek location let out then? the owners didn't have an NDA in place?

Because the state requires 30 days notice to be publicly posted before an entity can consider a property tax abatement.

https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/development/prop-tax/ch312/abatement-process.php
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rocketscience said:

TyHolden said:

BrazosDog02 said:

TyHolden said:

there are 2 other locations being considered. this could just be a smoke screen to get a better deal out of those. no idea why those locations were not revealed.


When a company courts a landowner they always come with some manner of NDA or at least a "please don't discuss this with anyone". A seller wouldn't want to mention anything to neighbors for fear of losing the sale and the buyer wouldn't want that done for fear of public push back.

why was gibbons creek location let out then? the owners didn't have an NDA in place?

Because the state requires 30 days notice to be publicly posted before an entity can consider a property tax abatement.

https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/development/prop-tax/ch312/abatement-process.php

so then the other 2 properties haven't got this far?
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TyHolden said:

rocketscience said:

TyHolden said:

BrazosDog02 said:

TyHolden said:

there are 2 other locations being considered. this could just be a smoke screen to get a better deal out of those. no idea why those locations were not revealed.


When a company courts a landowner they always come with some manner of NDA or at least a "please don't discuss this with anyone". A seller wouldn't want to mention anything to neighbors for fear of losing the sale and the buyer wouldn't want that done for fear of public push back.

why was gibbons creek location let out then? the owners didn't have an NDA in place?

Because the state requires 30 days notice to be publicly posted before an entity can consider a property tax abatement.

https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/development/prop-tax/ch312/abatement-process.php

so then the other 2 properties haven't got this far?

That is one possibility. Other possibilities are they are not seeking incentives for the other sites and/or the sites are in a state that does not have reporting requirements similar to Texas.

A major indicator to show if sites outside of Texas are being considered will be if an application for a JETI agreement shows up on the state comptroller's website in the near future.

https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/development/prop-tax/jeti/
https://comptroller.texas.gov/economy/development/prop-tax/jeti/applications.php
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I'm sure you live on a quarter acre lot in town and don't have to worry about these things. City people have no clue about why people live in the country.
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haha. Nope. I own property very close to where the East Loop was going, and other properties around town.

I'm a realist though. I understand how population growth works. It grows exponentially and if you live near B/CS you can't be naive to think that this is a little sleepy railroad town with a community college.

Big things are coming, and if you choose not to see that...you will get caught flat footed and wonder what just happened.



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BrazosDog02 said:

TyHolden said:

there are 2 other locations being considered. this could just be a smoke screen to get a better deal out of those. no idea why those locations were not revealed.


When a company courts a landowner they always come with some manner of NDA or at least a "please don't discuss this with anyone". A seller wouldn't want to mention anything to neighbors for fear of losing the sale and the buyer wouldn't want that done for fear of public push back.



Last week a few local residents reported survey crews in that area and the local govt has been tight lipped about it as well
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Is it too early to retitle this thread as Elon's Creek?
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Jbob04 said:

I'm sure you live on a quarter acre lot in town and don't have to worry about these things. City people have no clue about why people live in the country.



The irony is those same people who dislike cities that tell them what they can do with their property are now wanting the county to do the same thing.
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TyHolden said:

Aggie_Fire said:

Anyone who is against things like this should just stop using the internet, their cars, their cell phones, computers etc. Everyone wants cheaper faster stronger computing power, but no one wants it by their house. I get it....but it is going to go somewhere.

These things have to be built, you have to advance with technology to keep up with the demand. The key is to embrace and plan appropriately. This could be the single biggest economic boom this area has ever seen. Even bigger than A&M.

Not gonna lie, if this doesn't go through, I will be rooting for whoever does get it for them to succeed and then we wish we would have gotten it here.

NIMBYism in this town/area is unreal.

no doubt about this. good comparison is Dell in Austin. Austin was about same size as BCS when Dell started there. the rest is history. good thing is we can look at their problems now and make sure we don't have the same issues. we're a loooong way from way they are right now though.

this would make A&M the top public university overnight.


Good take.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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I'd offer that this land had coal mines and a coal-fired power plant on it.

The noise it made and the mess from the ash pit was off the charts for decades and costs tens of millions to remediate.

This was and is industrial land.

This new use would manufacture space hardened microchips so that we can put data centers in orbit, solar powered.

We could be the region that helped the world get a preponderance of future data centers out of neighborhoods and cities, without the water and power consumption we all fear- and we could do so while offering cutting edge careers, not just jobs, for our kids and grandkids.

The question those rural surrounding residents should be asking is: "is this better or worse than a coal fired, smoke belching power plant we dealt with for decades?"

I 100% understand the trepidation and fear. I'd only ask folks to consider what that land was for decades, before summarily dismissing this use.

I hope that's fair.

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Chip manufacturing uses shocking amounts of water.
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EFR said:

Chip manufacturing uses shocking amounts of water.

Here's some water not too far away...looks like a giant desalination plant

https://keatyblog.com/spacex-pecan-island-louisiana/

Take solace in knowing that he's trying to get us to another planet when we run out of these resources.
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I would take a coal plants any day over manufacturing and data centers.
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At some point a guy in a red and white striped shirt wearing a pork pie hat is going to jump in this thread with a well rehearsed musical number about how (fill in the blank) is going to make us all rich as Elon here in (Brazos) River City.
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tu ag said:



maybe not a monorail but I could go for a tunnel loop around the triangle stopping at our international airport.

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Aggie_Fire said:

NIMBYism in this town/area is unreal.


The thing is, everyone that lives here, could move 1.5 hours in almost any direction and drastically increase our incomes. If we wanted big city problems, we wouldn't be living here. I made a conscious decision in my late 20s to pass up job offers in both Houston and Austin, in exchange for a better place to raise a family. So, its understandable that people dont want things like increased traffic and exploding populations, coming to our utopia.
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Bob Yancy said:

The question those rural surrounding residents should be asking is: "is this better or worse than a coal fired, smoke belching power plant we dealt with for decades?"

I 100% understand the trepidation and fear. I'd only ask folks to consider what that land was for decades, before summarily dismissing this use.


In knowing some people that have lived in the shadow of Gibbons their whole lives, their concern isnt as much what is there but more the sheer number of people that will inundate the area.
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TyHolden said:

Here's some water not too far away...looks like a giant desalination plant

https://keatyblog.com/spacex-pecan-island-louisiana/

Take solace in knowing that he's trying to get us to another planet when we run out of these resources.


Everybody over there is in an uproar. That's one of the most remote areas of coastal Louisiana marsh. Not far from some pristine national wildlife refuges.

I suspect whoever is considering it, hasnt been through a major mosquito hatch yet. It can literally be bad enough that people that arent from there might quit good jobs and just go home. Add in the heat, humidity, and stink and it's probably the least inviting place in the country, to attract top talent to.
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CS78 said:

TyHolden said:

Here's some water not too far away...looks like a giant desalination plant

https://keatyblog.com/spacex-pecan-island-louisiana/

Take solace in knowing that he's trying to get us to another planet when we run out of these resources.


Everybody over there is in an uproar. That's one of the most remote areas of coastal Louisiana marsh. Not far from some pristine national wildlife refuges.

I suspect whoever is considering it, hasnt been through a major mosquito hatch yet. It can literally be bad enough that people that arent from there might quit good jobs and just go home. Add in the heat, humidity, and stink and it's probably the least inviting place in the country, to attract top talent to.

No idea if the Louisiana purchase is even in play. The article says it's a rumor. Have not done much research on it. You probably know more than me.

As you mentioned in previous post, a lot of people moved here to get away from the city. Me included. I don't think we're that far from big-city problems either (other than traffic) and I also don't think it's really that much less expensive to live here now (bought a house 5-6 years ago) but I haven't been to an office in 10-15 years. Regardless, the plight that the Gibbons Creek people are facing is no different than anybody that takes this on. I read they'd get 3-4x of their appraised value but that's probably part of the negotiations. Is that enough? No idea. There may not be a number for some people. That's understandable as well.

We don't know what the future would look like if this went down. Dell and AMD started in Austin in the early 80s. Not sure we're anywhere close to that type of state outside of population. I'd look at Birmingham, AL metro as something I'd aspire to be in 10-20 years (or another small college city). Around 1 million people tops. Big enough to have all the amenities of a big city but still small enough to have some country charm. No idea though. Opps like this don't come around often and you have to way the pros and cons. But as Bob said, this won't be the last. We seem to be dead set on getting some semiconductor businesses here.

I read somewhere last night that 10-20 people in Austin will become billionaires overnight when SpaceX IPOs. That's some serious cash. I don't think they'll give it up without a fight and they'll probably win out in the end. They don't want more competition for bringing in top companies, talent, etc. And of course, they probably hate the Aggies. The head of the GOP there is a horn. He is the one that tweeted directly at Elon saying "Austin is still in this" or something of that nature.
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CS78 said:

Aggie_Fire said:

NIMBYism in this town/area is unreal.


The thing is, everyone that lives here, could move 1.5 hours in almost any direction and drastically increase our incomes. If we wanted big city problems, we wouldn't be living here. I made a conscious decision in my late 20s to pass up job offers in both Houston and Austin, in exchange for a better place to raise a family. So, its understandable that people dont want things like increased traffic and exploding populations, coming to our utopia.

Like it or not, it's coming eventually.
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Rex Racer said:

CS78 said:

Aggie_Fire said:

NIMBYism in this town/area is unreal.


The thing is, everyone that lives here, could move 1.5 hours in almost any direction and drastically increase our incomes. If we wanted big city problems, we wouldn't be living here. I made a conscious decision in my late 20s to pass up job offers in both Houston and Austin, in exchange for a better place to raise a family. So, its understandable that people dont want things like increased traffic and exploding populations, coming to our utopia.

Like it or not, it's coming eventually.

Yes, if you live that close to one of the largest universities in the world, it will come eventually. And the unhappy individuals will move to Huntsville or something of that nature. It happens everywhere and not a lot you can do.

If you want to blame anybody, blame CA and Silicon Valley. Nobody is looking to start a business there right now. The exodus to Texas is real and we're going to be a part of it on some level. I work with a lot of people from California that have kids that go to school here. They all talk about moving here one day.
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TyHolden said:

CS78 said:

TyHolden said:

Here's some water not too far away...looks like a giant desalination plant

https://keatyblog.com/spacex-pecan-island-louisiana/

Take solace in knowing that he's trying to get us to another planet when we run out of these resources.


Everybody over there is in an uproar. That's one of the most remote areas of coastal Louisiana marsh. Not far from some pristine national wildlife refuges.

I suspect whoever is considering it, hasnt been through a major mosquito hatch yet. It can literally be bad enough that people that arent from there might quit good jobs and just go home. Add in the heat, humidity, and stink and it's probably the least inviting place in the country, to attract top talent to.

No idea if the Louisiana purchase is even in play. The article says it's a rumor. Have not done much research on it. You probably know more than me.

As you mentioned in previous post, a lot of people moved here to get away from the city. Me included. I don't think we're that far from big-city problems either (other than traffic) and I also don't think it's really that much less expensive to live here now (bought a house 5-6 years ago) but I haven't been to an office in 10-15 years. Regardless, the plight that the Gibbons Creek people are facing is no different than anybody that takes this on. I read they'd get 3-4x of their appraised value but that's probably part of the negotiations. Is that enough? No idea. There may not be a number for some people. That's understandable as well.

We don't know what the future would look like if this went down. Dell and AMD started in Austin in the early 80s. Not sure we're anywhere close to that type of state outside of population. I'd look at Birmingham, AL metro as something I'd aspire to be in 10-20 years (or another small college city). Around 1 million people tops. Big enough to have all the amenities of a big city but still small enough to have some country charm. No idea though. Opps like this don't come around often and you have to way the pros and cons. But as Bob said, this won't be the last. We seem to be dead set on getting some semiconductor businesses here.

I read somewhere last night that 10-20 people in Austin will become billionaires overnight when SpaceX IPOs. That's some serious cash. I don't think they'll give it up without a fight and they'll probably win out in the end. They don't want more competition for bringing in top companies, talent, etc. And of course, they probably hate the Aggies. The head of the GOP there is a horn. He is the one that tweeted directly at Elon saying "Austin is still in this" or something of that nature.

Like Mr. Keaty says in his article, I think the Louisiana play is for a non-semiconductor purpose. Heavy manufacturing and testing of Starship vehicles and Superheavy boosters makes sense for a site with water access to Starbase and Kennedy Space Center, and plenty of buffer land. It also fits with Louisiana's prowess in heavy manufacturing (aerospace manufacturing at Michoud Assembly Facility and shipbuilding). Some online circles I've seen speculate a potential polar launch site for SpaceX's proposed AI orbital data centers (proposed at 1,000,000 satellites in a sun synchronous orbit). Mr. Keaty says it isn't a launch site because launching east would go over New Orleans and Florida. That much is true but polar launches would launch south. A company that's expected to raise $75 Billion in an IPO this year can build both of these facilities easily.

If I were keeping an eye on sites that are competitors to the Gibbons Creek Reservoir site for the chip fab, I'd be looking at Sandow Lakes in Milam and Lee counties (former Alcoa plant), off the top of my head I can't think of anything else big enough. It is closer to Austin although the plans for the property show many tenants and SpaceX and Tesla typically have full control of their campuses.
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Can you go to this if not a citizen of Grimes County?
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Yes anyone can go to a commissioners meeting
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After warming up an AI interface with softballs, it comes out with these locations....Grimes County is a good location because of low political friction - lol.

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Are there any other former power plant sites in Texas that might be good candidates?

Yes. If you think about what Terafab would need multi-GW power access, massive transmission infrastructure, water, rail, thousands of acres, and relatively fast permitting a handful of retired Texas power plant sites stand out as plausible candidates.
None are publicly confirmed for Terafab, but these are the kinds of sites analysts and infrastructure people would immediately look at:
  • Sandow Power Plant (Rockdale / Milam County)
    ~1.1 GW former coal site with large industrial acreage, transmission infrastructure, water access, and a long manufacturing history. It's also relatively close to Austin and Samsung Taylor.
  • Big Brown Power Plant (Freestone County near Fairfield)
    ~1.15 GW retired coal plant with existing transmission corridors and Fairfield Lake cooling infrastructure. Large rural footprint and central Texas location are attractive for hyperscale compute.
  • J.T. Deely / Calaveras complex (San Antonio area)
    Large former coal generation site with substantial grid interconnection and cooling-water infrastructure. The downside is that it's closer to urban growth and may have less expandable land.
  • Oklaunion Power Plant (near Vernon, North Texas)
    650 MW retired coal site with transmission access and lower-cost rural land. Less ideal from a workforce/logistics standpoint, but technically viable.
  • Monticello / Welsh / other East Texas lignite sites
    Several East Texas coal plants retired in the last decade still sit on huge utility-grade properties with transmission infrastructure and cooling reservoirs. These areas already support heavy industrial operations and could theoretically host AI campuses.
Why these sites are attractive:
  • Existing high-voltage transmission interconnects are extraordinarily valuable and hard to permit today.
  • Former coal plants already handled gigawatt-scale loads.
  • Many have:
    • rail access,
    • water reservoirs,
    • industrial zoning,
    • environmental buffers,
    • and large contiguous acreage.
This is becoming a broader AI-industry trend, not just a SpaceX thing. Across the U.S., hyperscale AI developers are increasingly targeting retired coal and industrial power sites because power availability has become the primary bottleneck.
That said, the reason the Gibbons Creek / Grimes County site seems especially compelling is that it checks almost every box simultaneously:
  • close to Austin and Texas A&M talent,
  • massive acreage,
  • former power-generation infrastructure,
  • ERCOT connectivity,
  • water access,
  • and relatively low political/permitting friction.


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TyHolden said:

After warming up an AI interface with softballs, it comes out with these locations....Grimes County is a good location because of low political friction - lol.

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Are there any other former power plant sites in Texas that might be good candidates?

Yes. If you think about what Terafab would need multi-GW power access, massive transmission infrastructure, water, rail, thousands of acres, and relatively fast permitting a handful of retired Texas power plant sites stand out as plausible candidates.
None are publicly confirmed for Terafab, but these are the kinds of sites analysts and infrastructure people would immediately look at:
  • Sandow Power Plant (Rockdale / Milam County)
    ~1.1 GW former coal site with large industrial acreage, transmission infrastructure, water access, and a long manufacturing history. It's also relatively close to Austin and Samsung Taylor.
  • Big Brown Power Plant (Freestone County near Fairfield)
    ~1.15 GW retired coal plant with existing transmission corridors and Fairfield Lake cooling infrastructure. Large rural footprint and central Texas location are attractive for hyperscale compute.
  • J.T. Deely / Calaveras complex (San Antonio area)
    Large former coal generation site with substantial grid interconnection and cooling-water infrastructure. The downside is that it's closer to urban growth and may have less expandable land.
  • Oklaunion Power Plant (near Vernon, North Texas)
    650 MW retired coal site with transmission access and lower-cost rural land. Less ideal from a workforce/logistics standpoint, but technically viable.
  • Monticello / Welsh / other East Texas lignite sites
    Several East Texas coal plants retired in the last decade still sit on huge utility-grade properties with transmission infrastructure and cooling reservoirs. These areas already support heavy industrial operations and could theoretically host AI campuses.
Why these sites are attractive:
  • Existing high-voltage transmission interconnects are extraordinarily valuable and hard to permit today.
  • Former coal plants already handled gigawatt-scale loads.
  • Many have:
    • rail access,
    • water reservoirs,
    • industrial zoning,
    • environmental buffers,
    • and large contiguous acreage.
This is becoming a broader AI-industry trend, not just a SpaceX thing. Across the U.S., hyperscale AI developers are increasingly targeting retired coal and industrial power sites because power availability has become the primary bottleneck.
That said, the reason the Gibbons Creek / Grimes County site seems especially compelling is that it checks almost every box simultaneously:
  • close to Austin and Texas A&M talent,
  • massive acreage,
  • former power-generation infrastructure,
  • ERCOT connectivity,
  • water access,
  • and relatively low political/permitting friction.




Calaveras is about the only other former power plant site I could see for this (besides Sandow) due to location but it is owned by the city of San Antonio through CPS Energy and I doubt they'd give up the water to a major industrial user of water. Fairfield Lake (Big Brown) is being turned into a luxury golf course and private lake by Todd Interests. I don't see a way anything industrial will be built at the former Big Brown site. I think the others are too remote to attract the talent. Gibbons' location, shovel-ready status, and privately owned water source push it to the top of the list in my mind, but I'm not a site selector.

Also, social media outrage =/= political friction. The county is actively engaging in negotiations, that means there is political will for this.
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rocketscience said:

TyHolden said:

After warming up an AI interface with softballs, it comes out with these locations....Grimes County is a good location because of low political friction - lol.

Quote:

Are there any other former power plant sites in Texas that might be good candidates?

Yes. If you think about what Terafab would need multi-GW power access, massive transmission infrastructure, water, rail, thousands of acres, and relatively fast permitting a handful of retired Texas power plant sites stand out as plausible candidates.
None are publicly confirmed for Terafab, but these are the kinds of sites analysts and infrastructure people would immediately look at:
  • Sandow Power Plant (Rockdale / Milam County)
    ~1.1 GW former coal site with large industrial acreage, transmission infrastructure, water access, and a long manufacturing history. It's also relatively close to Austin and Samsung Taylor.
  • Big Brown Power Plant (Freestone County near Fairfield)
    ~1.15 GW retired coal plant with existing transmission corridors and Fairfield Lake cooling infrastructure. Large rural footprint and central Texas location are attractive for hyperscale compute.
  • J.T. Deely / Calaveras complex (San Antonio area)
    Large former coal generation site with substantial grid interconnection and cooling-water infrastructure. The downside is that it's closer to urban growth and may have less expandable land.
  • Oklaunion Power Plant (near Vernon, North Texas)
    650 MW retired coal site with transmission access and lower-cost rural land. Less ideal from a workforce/logistics standpoint, but technically viable.
  • Monticello / Welsh / other East Texas lignite sites
    Several East Texas coal plants retired in the last decade still sit on huge utility-grade properties with transmission infrastructure and cooling reservoirs. These areas already support heavy industrial operations and could theoretically host AI campuses.
Why these sites are attractive:
  • Existing high-voltage transmission interconnects are extraordinarily valuable and hard to permit today.
  • Former coal plants already handled gigawatt-scale loads.
  • Many have:
    • rail access,
    • water reservoirs,
    • industrial zoning,
    • environmental buffers,
    • and large contiguous acreage.
This is becoming a broader AI-industry trend, not just a SpaceX thing. Across the U.S., hyperscale AI developers are increasingly targeting retired coal and industrial power sites because power availability has become the primary bottleneck.
That said, the reason the Gibbons Creek / Grimes County site seems especially compelling is that it checks almost every box simultaneously:
  • close to Austin and Texas A&M talent,
  • massive acreage,
  • former power-generation infrastructure,
  • ERCOT connectivity,
  • water access,
  • and relatively low political/permitting friction.




Calaveras is about the only other former power plant site I could see for this (besides Sandow) due to location but it is owned by the city of San Antonio through CPS Energy and I doubt they'd give up the water to a major industrial user of water. Fairfield Lake (Big Brown) is being turned into a luxury golf course and private lake by Todd Interests. I don't see a way anything industrial will be built at the former Big Brown site. I think the others are too remote to attract the talent. Gibbons' location, shovel-ready status, and privately owned water source push it to the top of the list in my mind, but I'm not a site selector.

Also, social media outrage =/= political friction. The county is actively engaging in negotiations, that means there is political will for this.



yeah, that was a joke lol. Good info though - thanks!

Only one I recognize is Calaveras and that's too close to a big city. And yeah, the city won't approve that. Although they need somebody to pay for the $2 Billion downtown facility for the Spurs they want built.
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I'm curious what the result of tax abatement negotiations will be. For a self-contained site like this, roads and utilities within the semiconductor manufacturing site would probably be paid for and maintained by SpaceX. The main cost to the county will be regional arterial upgrades- which would be less over time if the SH30 corridor ends up being the selected route for I-14 (this project would make that all but a certainty)- and typical law enforcement and justice functions. If even a fraction of this project's total value were instead spread across multiple small, independent projects there would be significantly more infrastructure maintenance costs to be borne by the county and local utility providers. I think that makes it pretty reasonable for SpaceX to ask for a tax abatement- they're asking for less services than typical to be provided.

The county's asks in this agreement will be interesting to see. They could negotiate for the development of a park on the lake, similar to the yet-to-be-built park along the Colorado River at Tesla's Austin factory, to maintain public access for fishing and other activities.
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rocketscience said:

I'm curious what the result of tax abatement negotiations will be. For a self-contained site like this, roads and utilities within the semiconductor manufacturing site would probably be paid for and maintained by SpaceX. The main cost to the county will be regional arterial upgrades- which would be less over time if the SH30 corridor ends up being the selected route for I-14 (this project would make that all but a certainty)- and typical law enforcement and justice functions. If even a fraction of this project's total value were instead spread across multiple small, independent projects there would be significantly more infrastructure maintenance costs to be borne by the county and local utility providers. I think that makes it pretty reasonable for SpaceX to ask for a tax abatement- they're asking for less services than typical to be provided.

The county's asks in this agreement will be interesting to see. They could negotiate for the development of a park on the lake, similar to the yet-to-be-built park along the Colorado River at Tesla's Austin factory, to maintain public access for fishing and other activities.

I'd like them to buld a Disney World. AI says 40-60 billion to build the 4 parks and the resorts. I think that's a fair trade.
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this may be for spaceX in the valley but nonetheless...sounds like corpus is almost out of water (which makes no sense).

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Corpus is almost out of water because they squandered the money provided to them instead of utilizing it to develop new infrastructure. What they've done is criminal.
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Independence H-D said:

Corpus is almost out of water because they squandered the money provided to them instead of utilizing it to develop new infrastructure. What they've done is criminal.

this is typical for third world countries…
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