Ford and Chevy should have used the ZF 8 speed instead of their own crappy 10 speed. The ZF is the only automatic transmissions I've ever owned/driven that was actually enjoyable to drive. Not as enjoyable as a manual, but better than I could possibly have imagined a torque converter automatic could be. That being said, I never had one long enough to experience any reliability issues.

The 10 speed in my former 2020 Chevy Silverado 1500 (New to 76K miles) was smooth, but lacked any meaningful controls. Sport mode made almost zero difference and the manual push button shifting was about as fun as manually shifting a CVT.

In my current 2019 Raptor (55K to 76K miles), the 10 speed is a clunky pile of **** that is only tolerable due to a custom ECU/TCU tune by the best in the business. The drive modes are far superior to the Chevy and the paddle shifters are better as well, but still feel numb in comparison to the ZF transmissions. It's only a matter of time until my CDF drum fails and I'm out several thousand dollars.

aggieforester05 said:

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Ford and Chevy should have used the ZF 8 speed instead of their own crappy 10 speed. The ZF is the only automatic transmissions I've ever owned/driven that was actually enjoyable to drive. Not as enjoyable as a manual, but better than I could possibly have imagined a torque converter automatic could be. That being said, I never had one long enough to experience any reliability issues.

The 10 speed in my former 2020 Chevy Silverado 1500 (New to 76K miles) was smooth, but lacked any meaningful controls. Sport mode made almost zero difference and the manual push button shifting was about as fun as manually shifting a CVT.

In my current 2019 Raptor (55K to 76K miles), the 10 speed is a clunky pile of **** that is only tolerable due to a custom ECU/TCU tune by the best in the business. The drive modes are far superior to the Chevy and the paddle shifters are better as well, but still feel numb in comparison to the ZF transmissions. It's only a matter of time until my CDF drum fails and I'm out several thousand dollars.

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The ZF feels amazing and I trust ZF. We run ZF gears in our boats that just get beat on. It's a shame GM ditched a real Allison in recent years.

KatyAggie2000 said:

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RightWingConspirator said:

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Do the 2022s have this same issue?

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Google says iit was fixed (upgraded CDF drum) August 2002 so the 2023's and newer are fine. it's a travesty they didn't fix this sooner and have a recall. This was also on the heels of their cam phaser issues. Ford engineering really crapped the bed between 2015-2022.

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My 2018 EcoBoost had the cam phaser issues and started exhibiting transmission hiccups @95K miles several months back. Really liked the truck but I ended up unloading it because I didn't want to dump so much $ into repairs roughly equivalent to what it was worth. It didn't make sense and I was wondering what would crap out next.

Im watching this thread closely, Im having the same issue on my 2019 F 150 with same trans. Spoke with Circle D and was told that they do so many now they just get a unit from Ford or Jasper and install them instead of taking the time to rebuild anymore due to the volume they are seeing in their shop.

If mine starts acting up next year, I'll either sell it or extend my ESP warranty.

https://www.f150forum.com/f118/has-anyone-extended-ford-esp-end-553358/

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sts7049 said:

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having a fluid extractor / air compressor is not a whole garage

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You're right, but it is significantly more cumbersome to do this than other transmissions, and that is even before figuring out how to read whichever version of the dipstick you have.

What percentage of people driving expeditions do you think are capable or willing to do this? What is the periodicity Ford recommends vs what this board recommends because it is a giant piece of *****


It's a crap transmission with a crap design with an unnecessarily cumbersome process to work on that Ford doesn't even recommend you doing at a periodicity that will actually keep the piece of crap running without issue. This is not a maintenance item The VAST majority of owners are capable of or willing to do. The bubble we are in on here is not representative of the normal expy owner whatsoever.

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Amen.

'18 Navigator's transmission crapped the bed but was fixed under extended warranty. Sold my '18 F150 before it had a chance because we didn't have a warranty. Replaced it with a real truck with a ZF S6-650.